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[lysi]

PAAUL12, would you mind if i kick in your front door and order you and your family out of your house at gunpoint, and never let you return and then i will sell your house and land ?
How would you feel about that ?

[Michael]

macketterry

At last a grain of common sence

Are you disgusting wretches a couple? Macketerry, just because you provide him with some light relief you dont have stand up for your pensioner boyfriend. Is that what he retired to the occupied areas for? Will he be inviting his friend Garry Glitter for some Turkish delight? You have sold yourself cheap.
Retited to Cyprus, you have the morals of a Concentration camp guard with the sexual persuaion of that glam rocker Gary Glitter.
Your a foul, or it that Turkey bird flu fowl. I feel sick that the even the word Cyprus is used by you. You havce the worth of an ecoli B virus. Furthermore I hope you actually catch it. Feel sorry for the virus being stuck in you.

[Michael]

AGAIN I SAY TO THE MODERATOR , ALLOWING THESE FILITHY CRIMMINALS ON THIS FORUM IS A DISGRACE. WHY ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BROKEN THE LAW ALLOWED TO ADVERTISE ON THIS SITE. ITS BEYOND BELIEF.

[rolo]

Realist

I have no idea about how many Tcs killed tcs - I have in fact never heard of such a thing talked of in tc circles and on an island as small as cyprus, had any such things ever occurred i am sure it would have been spoken about. I mean every tc will know every other tc if not directly then at least through one or two friends - Gossip amongst tcs is no different from gossip amongst any other people, the grapevines of such things can not be silenced.

I personally know of many tcs who caught the gc bullet and are no longer around. If we are to talk then at least lets talk sense, and saying that only 100 tcs died before the invasion is rubbish, maybe Piratis means that 100 tcs were killed in the week before the invasion.

I am though prepared to accept the possibility that tcs were provoking, for without outside intervention tcs fate would have been total destruction as per the Akritas plan and Enosis - Tcs communications with the outside world was limited to a few newspapers, one tv program per week, turkish radio, and relatives travelling to and from Cyprus for holidays. They had limited to no representation at airports or sea ports where National Guard armed with machine guns patrolled ensuring that the policies pertaining to GC interests were carried out.

A friend of mine only this week told me that for one year the inhabitants of a certain tc village were trapped in their own home afraid to venture out from even their front doors as gc snipers from the surrounding gc villages were taking pot-shots at any tc they saw.

Should i go on. Ive got loads of these which the world does not know about? Perhaps its best not to....


Gc tried their best to eradicate tcs from Cyprus and their best was not good enough. They had neither the political clout or patience, they had not the military force, and although they assumed they had the backing of Christianity, they did not realise that the indifference of Britain, Europe, USA, and USSR, was not a mandate for GC to rid Cyprus of tc by whatever means they saw fit, but merely a gesture - i.e. what we publicly dont know about we can not act upon. --

GC played the game, and eventually went all in, eventually Turkey after folding on three previous occasions decided not only to call the gc hand but raised the stakes.



Now you cry human rights - illegality - Ottomans - Paedophiles - Nazis -
the list of childish terms grows everyday, only to further gc immaturity and naivety to the situation. Piratis claims that Ottomans did far worse than gcs ever did to tcs - well you can not argue that so did the Ancient Greeks, romans, Venetians, Crusades etc etc etc - Nor can we deny the fact that the Europeans committed Genocide on half of the world - that was then but we live in now - Gc crimes were committed after the war to end all wars. They were committed after they had joined the United Nations and after they had taken the highest Office in the land and as such were in violation of any govts first duty ie the defence of its citizens.

Intsead no sooner had they been granted office their first thoughts wer the destruction of tcs and the realistion of the gc nationilistic goal that being union with a piffly little country called greece -

How can anybody be at all shocked that tcs wanted to defend themselves, or exercised that human right by whatever means possible?- the mind trully boggles at such self richteous bigoted stupidity,


Where were these terms when gc killed "only one hundred" in the sixties - they didnt exist then yet they are in free circulation now - read your own press they. they do from time to time tell you things which your Makarios govt never did, start to read between the lines and get a real understanding and come back to the table when you are ready. Till then Tc are waiting to see if you will call, fold or raise the stakes.


All the above has been written time and time again and been called lame excuses by gcs, due to, at best their ignorance of the truth, well you are entitled to your opinions - the truth is the longer the problem remains the more entangled it will become and the harder it will be to unravel. The best you can do is to get some realistic politicians and get round the table - The world opinion to the Cyprob today is still the same as that of the sixties ie Indifferent, only now the world is better informed.

[relay]

[size=18]Maybe instead of ranting on about people buying in the North, the people it offends should go to the meeting and express there views in person. I wonder what sort of reception they would get.

[retired2cyprus]

Michael

I am so sorry you are a sad pathetic person I know yout mother god forgive her , loves you but you really do need to realise ,,,,,, there is more to life than hate

[Agios Amvrosios]

I wonder what sort of reception they would get.

Lets go guys and be received by cheap bastard retiree tresspassers on ethnically claeansed land. You cheap bastards who are trying to retire on ethnically cleansed land will burn in satan's fires of hell.

[Alexis]

I have no idea about how many Tcs killed tcs - I have in fact never heard of such a thing talked of in tc circles and on an island as small as cyprus, had any such things ever occurred i am sure it would have been spoken about. I mean every tc will know every other tc if not directly then at least through one or two friends - Gossip amongst tcs is no different from gossip amongst any other people, the grapevines of such things can not be silenced.

So, that means it never happened right? So, how often do you hear of GCs talking about EOKA intimidation or discussing atrocities against the TC community in 1964 and 1974. Just because people don't openly discuss these things, doesn't mean they didn't happen.

A friend of mine only this week told me that for one year the inhabitants of a certain tc village were trapped in their own home afraid to venture out from even their front doors as gc snipers from the surrounding gc villages were taking pot-shots at any tc they saw.

Should i go on. Ive got loads of these which the world does not know about? Perhaps its best not to....

No, please do. Obviously the world's grapevine has never caught onto what really happened in Cyprus in the 1960s. Obviously there have never been any press stories regarding atrocities against TCs. And perhaps, as you say, there was no way in or out of Cyprus for TCs at this time so that their voice could be heard.

Where were these terms when gc killed "only one hundred" in the sixties - they didnt exist then yet they are in free circulation now - read your own press they. they do from time to time tell you things which your Makarios govt never did, start to read between the lines and get a real understanding and come back to the table when you are ready. Till then Tc are waiting to see if you will call, fold or raise the stakes.


All the above has been written time and time again and been called lame excuses by gcs, due to, at best their ignorance of the truth, well you are entitled to your opinions - the truth is the longer the problem remains the more entangled it will become and the harder it will be to unravel. The best you can do is to get some realistic politicians and get round the table - The world opinion to the Cyprob today is still the same as that of the sixties ie Indifferent, only now the world is better informed.

Yep, quite right the truth hurts. And somehow the GCs managed to hoodwink the whole world at the time and convince her that the only wrong done was by Turkey. If only, then perhaps the Cyprob would have been solved long ago. I've got some news for you, there was no conspiracy. Even if some GCs tried they never did manage to conceal what they did to the TC community in the 1960s. The point is it is nowhere near as one-sided as you suggest. Has it even occured to you that maybe just maybe there is another side to this coin?

[cypezokyli]

rolo wrote:

I have no idea about how many Tcs killed tcs - I have in fact never heard of such a thing talked of in tc circles and on an island as small as cyprus, had any such things ever occurred i am sure it would have been spoken about. I mean every tc will know every other tc if not directly then at least through one or two friends - Gossip amongst tcs is no different from gossip amongst any other people, the grapevines of such things can not be silenced.

fazil onter , koutlou antali, aihan hikmet, ahmet mouzafer giourkan to mention just some names (possibly the names are wrongly spelled, so i would appreciate the help of a tc )

the same happened also in the south from our extremists, rolo.

i was reading currently a short story of the civil war in rwanda. i wasnt surprised to find out that the extremists, usually start with attacking their own moderates
the fact that nobody talks about these things doesnt mean sth

[rolo]

cypezokyli

you are right to point this out, and i did mention that i accept the possibilty of provocateurs, I would be pretty naive not to do so -

many wars are started by a few pre planned provocateurs posing to be what they are not in order to stir up trouble - an accepted case being the Jewish Egyptian Cairo bombings.

There are probably many more cases were such actions have gone untried or unproven.