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[paaul12]

lysi

I have a question for you, don’t you wish now that you had allowed the Turkish Cypriot people to live in peace instead of going around murdering every one that you could find?

Don’t you think before you go on about “Stolen Land” that if it had not been for the Greek Cypriot wish to wipe the Turkish Cypriot from the face of the earth, then we most probably would not be in the situation we are today.

Anyway, how about an apology fro the way the Greek Cypriot people murdered. Raped, and Tortured the men women and children who were Turkish Cypriot, are you big enough to give us at lest that, I doubt it.

You know when you have a problem a bit like an alcoholic in order to move on, you have to first admit you have a problem, how about admitting that this problem was caused by the Greek Cypriot people.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their “own” facts.

[Piratis]

I have a question for you, don’t you wish now that you had allowed the Turkish Cypriot people to live in peace instead of going around murdering every one that you could find?

Only some 100 of TCs had died during the intercommunal conflict, the same number of TCs. When you talk about "killing every one that you can find" I believe you refer to a different historical event:

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

In fact the Turks have committed 100 times more crimes against GCs than the other way. Then these hypocrites come to cry pretending to be the victims, trying to find an excuse to continue as we speak their crimes against us.

[pg]

Listen: Many TCs have been uprooted more than once in the last 40-50 years - do you think they'd like it to happen again?

For the last 32 years they have lived in peace and grown families and businesses in the north. Do you think they want give up all that to go to an unfamiliar place where they and their children are foreigners - and to have to rebuild a property and then start allover with their lives again?

And this whole discussion about the foreign buyers is a red herring. LESS than 1% of the island has been sold to them. That leaves more than 99% for everyone to squabble over.

Anybody who thinks that the only reason there hasn't been a solution is because some pensioners from England have bought a few villas is sadly deluded.


Fact is that a huge proprtion of GCs could have gone back to their properties if they'd voted for the Aplan...

What do you think of the fact that a great majority of Turkish Cypriots voted for the Annan Plan?

[rolo]

Only some 100 of TCs had died during the intercommunal conflict, the same number of TCs. When you talk about "killing every one that you can find" I believe you refer to a different historical event:

piratis

i look to try and take you seriously. sometimes you write reasoned posts, but sometimes you come out with nonsense. only 100????????????


in 14 yrs only 100....tell me then how many gcs did tcs kill in response during civil war.......sorry ooops i mean civil unrest?

[Realist]

macketterry,

yet again stirring it up. Funny, seems like all the assumptions made about you earlier (which you denide) seem right afterall.

Listen, it may be 1% but it's 1% of something that doesn't belong to you. Therefore, however you like to paint it, people who buy this property are criminals. If you were in the UK or in any other part of a true democracy then you would have been taken to court. I'd like to see any of these so called 'poor innocent' pensioners try buying stolen property in the UK - what would happen?

Now you keep on talking about this Annan Plan, if someone took the house you were in and then offered you one of it's bricks as payment you would obviously say 'no'. But somehow you expect the GC to accept a similar offer like they've been done a favour.

If you had read the Annan Plan you would have realised that it did not allow for the 'huge proportion' of GC to return to their homes. In fact it required them to sign them away, plus giving Turkey a right to yet again invade whenever she saw fit. But I doubt you bothered to read it, after all just like the other illigal immegrants on the island; it's not in your interest to either.

[Realist]

Rolo,

Tell me how many TC did Dektash risk killing when he bombed his own people's mosque so he could stir up unrest?

I went to a TC site once, because I too wanted to see the other side of the story. I found pictures of GC being portrayed as TC's killed by GC. I think you need to ask yourself who benefitted from the unrest that led to the invasion? Was it in the GC's interest for these events to happen? Why is there also an American military base in the north?

It's not as black and White as you may believe. I'm not saying GC were angels, but let's not fog the issue just because it happened over 30 years ago.

[paaul12]

I don’t know why you people are wasting all this time talking about the cprob, as far as I have been able to find out the cprob was resolved in 1974. there is no cprob so instead of wasting your time just get on with your lives, as the Turkish Cypriots have, and what a good life they are making for themselves. I wish them all the best for the future.

as they say if its not broken then why fix it!

Everyone one is entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts

[Piratis]

in 14 yrs only 100....tell me then how many gcs did tcs kill in response during civil war.......sorry ooops i mean civil unrest?

I said some hundreds, I should have probably put an "s" after that 100 to make it clear. However GCs had about the same number of victims during the same period. It is not as some like to present it that GCs were the aggressors and TCs the victims.

Also some people remember only that period and forget the massacre of turks against GCs before and after that period. In those cases we are not talking about some 100s spread over a period of a decade, we are talking about 1000s (in the case of the invasion of 1974) and 10s of thousands (in the case of Ottomans) within days.

So TCs should stop to pretent to be the victims that now need to be rewarded with even more human right violations against GCs.

[Piratis]

as far as I have been able to find out the cprob was resolved in 1974.

Is having your home and property stolen not a problem? Is having your country under foreign occupation not a problem? It is for us. If these are not a problem for you thanks for letting us know.

[Realist]

That's funny Paaul12, where exactly have you been getting all these facts from? You wouldn't by any chance be relying on the Turkish press to come to all your conclusions. We are talking about the same press that is regularly taken to court whenever it tries to print anything resembling truth. You might like to see the way Turkey resolved it's Kurdish and Armenian problems as well. But your right if it's dead then there is no problem- I suppose you approve of Hitler's 'no problem' approach seeing as he was quoted as saying 'If the Turks can get away with wiping the Armenians off the map in Asia Minor, then no one will stop me doing the same with the Jews in Europe'.

But unfortunately like so many other ex-patriots that have stumbled on this forum, there is no problem because it's not your problem.