Piratis, where do i start?
How about democracy instead? Or you are not familiar with this term?
Actually there was a period of about 3 whole centuries that the minority undemocratically ruled Cyprus. Don't you think we can finally have democracy like all other democratic countries?
To have that you need to have democratic values not try to exterminate another race because they are a from another race. Do you think Cypriots are capable of self government without hanging on to the shirt tails of the Brits, Greeks or Turks. Be real.
If a Greek Cypriot went against the law and illegally sold TC land in the free areas to foreigners he would also be a crook. This would be the case even if the GC was the one who was forced against his will to abandon his home.
The TCs that more than willingly moved to the occupied areas so they would receive twice as much than what they left behind do not have the right to sell land that does not belong to them either.
Those TCs that do not support the occupation and the illegalities are also victims, like GCs, of the illegal Turkish occupation. The solution for them is not "selling" GC land, but demanding the liberation of Cyprus from the foreign occupation so all people would have their rights and lands back.
Turkish Cypriots did not get twice as much land as they left behind, that is a myth. A Turkish Cypriot, who has became a friend of mine over the years, had left behind with his brother 110 donums of land in Pahos. His compensation 6 donums in Lapithos. There will be some instances of TC's receiving more land but these are few and far between. The Turkish military have control over vast amounts of lands in the north not Turkish Cypriot people or individuals. If you go to the north you will see for yourself.
Repeatedly you and many other GC's call only British property buyers in the North thieves and crooks. You completely ommit the fact that your fellow Cypriots sell off the lands for anyone to buy regardless of race, colour or creed to buy not just British. You want TC's to be together with GC's and forget that they are selling off lands but call only British, crooks and thieves. Sounds hypocritical.
stuballstu, where are you from and what is your involvement with Cyprus?
If i tell you that i you will accuse me of being biased. I am neither Cypriot or English. My interest in Cyprus is that i live on the island, I am treated well by all Cypriots i meet, i enjoy living here and hope that the islands problems get sorted in order that true "Cypriots" can at last be free
If you go long time ago when I talked about "barbaric turks" you will see that I was referring to specific barbaric turks and not to Turks as a race. How would you call those Turks that when they first took Nicosia they butchered within days 20,000 people and destroyed everything they could? Civilized? How would you call those parts of the Turkish army that had invaded Cyprus in 1974 and not only killed 6000 people within days but also raped several and often underage girls?
I was referring to those Turks who some people unfortunately continue to support their actions today. There are barbarian Greeks as well, the difference is that we have condemned the actions of those barbarian Greeks and many of them were jailed. When will Turks do the same?
Perhaps then you should change your terminology then to the "Barbaric Turkish Army" rather than "Barbaric Turks". Just because you know what you are referring to doesnt mean that everyone else does.
And for the record if Turkish troops are guilty of rape etc they do not deserve jail, imho castration is justified prior to stoning, but hey thats a different arguement. As for the dead can you please clarify in one sentence you say within days they killed 20000 and the next sentence it was 6000. Regardless of the numbers and without sounding cold, killings are a part of war. People die in wars, sometimes of horrible deaths. It is difficult, however can you name me an actual war when no one was killed?
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Let me ask you this, if you could give up everything you had in the North and in return you had the opportunity to be involved in the harvesting of a new united Cyprus which met all of your criteria would you take that opportunity?
How exactly would my criteria be met without the respect of human rights and the return of the land to the legal owners?
So you wouldn't sacrafice for the opportunity of a new beginning for Cyprus? One of the obsticles in Cyprus is Cypriots always want to know whats in it for them. Your decision is based on you and not the good of your fellow countrymen, your children and your childrens children. How can the problems be solved if no one wants to sacrifice anything?
No it has never been tried. Even the constitution that was given to us by the British discriminated and separated Cypriots based on their race.
What I propose is what exists in all other democratic countries in the world: One democratic country were all people are equal citizens without racist discriminations. If this is what is sensible for UK, Turkey all EU countries etc, then why it is not sensible for Cyprus?
It will take many years and generations for TC's to trust GC's. Dont forget some GC's backed by Greece tried to exterminate them. Trust takes time. Just because GC's say "its ok you can come back now, we dont want to be part of Greece anymore"
Dont expect a rush over the green line they scars of pre 74 have not healed yet in the same way you scars from 74 have not healed yet.
