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[twinkle]

I agree 100%. I started a thread called National Pride. When the Cypriots start realising they are Cypriots and not GC perhaps change may happen. Who cares if your great great great great great grand parents landed in Cyprus from Greece. You have a Cypriot passport. You can't vote in Greek elections. In fact most Greeks can't understand why you continually say you are Greek then call Greeks "Kalamaras".....

[bakala]

Both the TRNC and the GC goverments are subject to a certiain amount of control from their respective "parent " goverments so to be honest it is impossible for them to seek any kind of settlement without the co'operation of all 4 goverments,
if you agree on this point who does hold the power ?
i would think Greece and Turkey, thats where the real agreement would come from, and there is very little the TRNC or GC goverments can do about it. The Cypriots north and south are the pawns in the chess game, all the moves are decided by Greece and Turkey

The situation that developed from 1960 and reached its climax in 1974 was agravated and possibly instigated by two goverments who have been at each others throats since the days of Troy,

have you ever noticed how the USA always fight their wars in other peoples countries . thats so they never have to fght a war in their own country
. The Cyprus Issue is the continuance of an undeclared war in a neutral country by Greece and Turkey,

Though the bullets no longer fly in this undeclared war . the political power brokers continue to " make fists in pockets at each other " the trouble is untill Turkey and Greece learn to live together in peace, the Cypriots North and south wont get the chance to try .

You both live in a divided island for now. i would think that will continue for our lifetimes at least. the construction of two federal states living in partnership with little or no border control, would over a generation or two allow the two communities to bleed into each other untill the divide dissapears, then it would begin to grow as a single island once again.

but not in my llife time , Hopefully in yours though

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[Simon]

Same old double standards.

stuballstu, you moan about the Greek flags. Well how about the TC leader changes the name of your state and remove the 'Turkish' part if we are all Cypriot. How the hell can you complain about the Greek flags when the north is called the 'TURKISH REPUBLIC of Northen Cyprus?' Indeed, when I see pictures of the North, I see Turkish flags!

We have Greek flags in the south because we are Greek. Simple as that. Twinkle, I am sorry but I completely disagree with you. We are Greek Cypriot and not just Cypriot. There is no reason for us to try to deny this. This does not stand in the way of a solution; our differences are enriching and our identity should not be forgotten. I find it abhorrent that anyone should try to encourage us to forget our identity.

[Simon]

The situation that developed from 1960 and reached its climax in 1974 was agravated and possibly instigated by two goverments who have been at each others throats since the days of Troy,

What?! LOL. Do you think that there was a Turkish government in the Asia Minor since the days of Troy.

[stuballstu]

Twinkle

Until that is solved then there will never be a united Cyprus. It is up to Cypriots to put pressure on their respective administrations to unite the island and encourage unity of the people instead of encouraging partition.
However to do that then they have to feel Cypriot not Greek or Turkish.

The policies of both sides are of partition no matter what they say "officially". There is nothing coming from both sides which says "we want unity" except for words without action.

Jeez they couldn't even agree on how to open Ledra Street what chance do they have in solving the politics on the island.

[bakala]

Simon
which part of Greek Cypriot are you prepared to give up ?
If you insist on always being a greek Cypriot then you must allow the Turkish Cypriots to retain the Turkish bit
If the first bit of the respective titles become more important than the Cypriot bit . then why not admit that the island is an extension of two countries that cannot agree on the time of day, In which case there will never be a solution

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[bakala]

Stubllstu

you are exactly right mate
anyone who insists on calling himself Greek Cypriot or Turkish Cypriot , Gives up the right to be considered impartial
someday if and when two federal states live together and the communities bleed into each other agin over time. Its difficult to attck a nieghbor who you drink in a bar with or, whose children play with your children

Someday two Cypriot women, one a former greek cypriot and one a former Turkish Cypriot, will be discussing thier respective husbands and what total shits they are for staying out late drinking together instead of coming home for dinner.

Or is that Just a dream ?

[Simon]

Bakala, I have never said that a TC must stop feeling Turkish. However, this does not mean that we cannot reach a solution. All I was saying that people cannot moan about the Greek flags, when the North is actually called Turkish in its official name.

I don't have to give up either Greek or Cypriot. The two go together and as I have said, we should be richer for our differences, they do not need to divide us.

[bakala]

Simon Mate
it is only natural that you feel pride in your nationality, But if you insist on being Greek cypriot you should realy leave the politics of the island of Cyprus to those who prefer to be known as Cypriots, the same goes for the Turkish Cypriots

Its a nice precept that your differences make you richer,

But always your differences is the thing that will keep you apart. untill the day comes when there are no differences between any two both cypriots Both having the same political and religious freedom right of free speech ect and each man looking at the other as an equal there will never be a United Cyprus,

True freedom has a hidden price,
for you to have it . everyone must have it. otherwise its just a dream you hold
For if you deny it to others, someday you will wake and realise that the dream has gone with the waking


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[stuballstu]

Simon

Are you Greek? Are you Turkish? or are you Cypriot?

There can only be one of the answers from above?