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Piratis
are you for real mate ?
do you really mean to say no Turkish Cypriots were killed by greek soldiers and greek Cypriot militia Prior to the Turkish intervention ?

So all the press reports ive researched and a relative of mine who served in the Brit Army in the period were all Lying ?
the dialy express and the washington post Foreign corespondents saw and counted well in excess of 200 Turkish Cypriot bodies in the streets of Nicosia inside the fenced off enclve where the Turkich Cypriots were imprisoned
It was a Greek Cypriot Guy who led them inside to show what was really going on
all this was weeks before the Turkish intervention
By the way
Turkey had the right under the 1960 constitution to intervene unilateraly if there was any outside interference in the independant goverment of Cyprus.

i notice you didnt comment on the 20.000 greek soldiers that mmmmmmm went on holiday to Cyprus all at the same time and happend to take thier rifles and artillary with them just in case they wanted to do some elephant hunting i suppose ?
or what was the reason all those greek soldiers presence on the island ?

[Piratis]

What I said was very clear, and it is a fact:

No TC was killed by the coupists before the Turkish invasion had started

Yes, some 100s of TCs and some 100s of GCs were killed during the intercommunal conflict that started in 1963 and had to the most part ended in 1968. And yes, some TCs were killed by the coupists after the Turkish invasion had started.

If your relatives say that the coupists in 1974 were killing TCs before the Turkish invasion had started, then yes they are lying.

all this was weeks before the Turkish intervention

Weeks? The coup was on 15th of July, the invasion on 20th of July. What "weeks" are you talking about my friend?
I repeat to you the facts: The coupists did not turn against TCs, but against the GCs that fougth against them. Some TCs were killed by the coupists and EOKA B after the Turkish invasion had started.

Turkey had the right under the 1960 constitution to intervene unilateraly if there was any outside interference in the independant goverment of Cyprus.

I assume you talk about the treaty of guarantee, not the constitution. Here is the treaty of guarantee:

YPRUS-TREATY OF GUARANTEE
Nicosia, 16 August 1960
The Republic of Cyprus on one part, and Greece, Turkey, and the United
Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland of the other part,
I. Considering that the recognition and the maintenance of the independence,
territorial integrity, and security of the Republic of
Cyprus, as establised and regulated by the Basic Articles of its
Constitution, are in their common interest,
II. Desiring to co-operate to ensure respect for the state of affairs
created by that Constitution,
Have agreed as follows:
ARTICLE I
The Republic of Cyprus undertakes to ensure the maintenance of its independence,
territorial integrity, and security, as well as respect for its Constitution.
It undertakes not to participate, in whole or in part, in any political or
economic union with any State whatsoever. It accordingly declares prohibited
any activity likely to promote, directly or indirectly, either union with
any other State or partition of the Island.
ARTICLE II
Greece, Turkey, and the United Kingdom, taking note of the undertakings of
the Republic of Cyprus set out in Article I of the present Treaty, recognise
and guarantee the independence, territorial integrity, and security of the
Republic of Cyprus, and also the state of affairs established by the Basic
Articles of its Constitution.
Greece, Turkey, and the United Kingdom likewise undertake to prohibit, so
far as concern them, any activity aimed at promoting, directly or indirectly,
either union of Cyprus with any other State or partition of the Island.
ARTICLE III
The Republic of Cyprus, Greece, and Turkey undertake to respect the integrity
of the areas retained under United Kingdom sovereignty at the time of
the establishment of the Republic of Cyprus, and guarantee the use and enjoyment
by the United Kingdom of the rights secured to it by the Republic
of Cyprus in accordance with the Treaty concerning the Establishment of the
Republic of Cyprus signed at Nicosia on today's date.
ARTICLE IV
In the event of a breach of the provisions of the present Treaty, Greece, Turkey and the United
Kingdom undertake to consult together with respect to the representations or measure necessary to
ensure observance of those provisions.
In so far as common or concerted action may not prove possible, each of the three guaranteeing
Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim of reestablishing the state of affairs created by
the present Treaty.ARTICLE V
The present Treaty shall enter into force on the date of signature. The original texts of the present
Treaty shall be deposited at Nicosia.
The High Contracting Parties shall proceed as soon as possible to the registration of the present Treaty
with the Secretariat of the United Nations, in accordance with Article 102 of the Charter of the United
Nations.
In witness whereof, the undersigned have signed the present Treaty.
Done at Nicosia, this sixteenth day of August, in English and French, both
texts being equally authoritative.
For the Republic of Cyprus: KYPROU MAKARIOS and FAZIL KUCUK
For Greece: C. CHRISTOPOULOS
For Turkey: V. TUREL
For the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland: HUGH FOOT

As you can see, Turkey not only didn't act in accordance with the treaty of guarantee, it grossly violated it, and it keeps violating it for 32 years.

If Turkey had intervened, not to to occupy part of Cyprus, butcher 1000s of innocent and perform ethnic cleansing, but to do what she was supposed to do according to the treaty then we would all celebrate that day together.

notice you didnt comment on the 20.000 greek soldiers

I clearly said that the coup was illegal and in fact most Greek Cypriots were fighting against the coupists. Were did you get the "20.000 Greek soldiers" number?? The Greek junta was behind the coup but a large number of Greek soldiers was never sent in Cyprus in 1974.

Balaka, you can think and have any opinion that you like. What you can not do is commit a crime against us. "Buying" property that belongs to Greek Cypriots in the occupied areas of Cyprus is illegal. This is a FACT.

Have your own opinion, say what you want. But you have no right to go against the law. If you do, be prepared for very unpleasant consequences.

[bakala]

Rawk
Thank you mate its about time the truth came out
then once the truth is admitted maybe the problem can begin to heal itself

Piratis
the press report about 300 bodies was filed back to London on 28th December
when did the Turkish land ?
was it weeks or months later
im a bit confused
The Ilgarno report was filed in 1964
was all the worlds press telling lies ?
Piratis you make an idiot of your argument mate
it all happend there is no sense saying it didnt

[bakala]

My cousin
who was serving with the royal core of Signals ended up in a Brit Army truck moving British servicemens families north where the British Navy stodd offshore
the journy took over 15 hours because of roadblocks and diversions set up by the Greek soldiers who had blockaded all routes into and out of Turkish areas
on the route they stopped to help some Turkish Cyp refugees a woman and two children they had been hiidden in some bushes at the side of the road by the womans husband who had returned to the house to get his mother and father : The troops went to look for them and found them dead inside the house Husband Mother and father
My Cousin said the husband had been shot and the parents bayonetted
they managed to smuggle the Lady and her kids back to the north coast . each roadblock there were demands to hand over the woman and kids and each time the soldiers refused
two soldiers wearing UN helmets appears and demanded the woman and kids be handed over to them.
The officer in charge of the Brits asked for his identity card
he could only produce a greek soldiers identity card and only spoke greek
the officer refused and warned the fake UN Guys they would be arrested by his soldiers unles they pissed off
all this happend then he boarded ship and was brought back to liverpool he was home in england when the Turkish army landed
and his only comment was if they are lucky there maybe a few Turkish Cypriots left left But not many,
All the Soldiers in the Truck were Extremly angry at Britains Lack of Action
but they were under orders not to take any agressive action under any circumstances untill ALL british subjects were safe



I suppose he was lying too eh ?

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Piratis
i am sorry for you mate
i know its hard to believe that your own people could be guilty of this stuff
thats how the germans felt too when they found out about the holcust
and perhaps its understandable that you should believe its lies, either you have been brainwashed by propaganda or the rest of the world has
so which is it ? is evryone lying except you ?

[Piratis]

the press report about 300 bodies was filed back to London on 28th December

What report of 28th december and 300 bodies???? The coup was on July 15th, the invasion on july 20th. You are just lying out of your ass.

You are a criminal balaka, not better than the coupists and the Turkish invaders. Unlike the Turkish military elite however, you are well within our range. Be sure we will get to you and punish you for your crimes.

[bakala]

this report mate
"We went tonight into the sealed-off Turkish quarter of Nicosia in which 200 to 300 people had been slaughtered in the last five days. We are the first Western reporters there and we have seen sights too frightful to be described in print and horrors so extreme that people seemed stunned beyond tears and reduced to a hysterical and mirthless giggle that is more terrible than tears."

(DAILY EXPRESS of 28 December 1963 - Report by Rene Maccoll and Daniel McGeaohie)

[bakala]

thats about 10 years before the landings
and that sort of stuff went on for years all over the island
there are reports nearer to the years of the landings
there are also many instances where reporters had film confiscated rather than let the worlds prees show what was going on

[Piratis]

is evryone lying except you ?

Who is "everyone" in this case? The Turks along with some British and Americans?

Because as you know the UN has numerous resolutions that call for the respect of the sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus and the withdrawal of all foreign troops. It also clearly declares the pseudo state of "trnc" as legally invalid. Also the European Court of Human Rights has confirmed the right of our refugees to return to their properties. Also EU accepted Republic of Cyprus as a member with sovereignty over the whole island.

So who is your "everybody"? The other criminals that you associate with?

About your "holocaust" claim I repeat:

In fact during the events of 63-74 only some 100s of TCs were killed and an equal amount of GCs. However you seem to remember one part of the story. If you call "Holocaust" the some 100s of TCs that were killed, then why not the some 100s of GCs? What do you call the 6000 people that were murdered and the 200.000 that were ethnically cleansed with the Turkish invasion? What do you call the 20.000 people that were massacred when the Turks first set their food in Cyprus?

[bakala]

according to you the germans should take the allies to court for invading germany in WW2 ?
or was it ok for them to take over france , poland , holland and bellgium
thats exactly what the GC didm they tried to take over the whole island and kill all the TCs there is no doubt about it

and Nicos samson admitted that if the Turks hadent landed they woluld have killed all the TCs
ill find the press report where he admitted it and post it for you