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Papadopoulos says he's ready
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Papadopoulos says he's ready
by Agios Amvrosios » Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:30 am
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Re: Papadopoulos says he's ready
by Leonidas » Thu Feb 23, 2006 2:36 am
Agios Amvrosios wrote:http://localnewsleader.com/jackson/stories/index.php?action=fullnews&id=147572
He knows how to play the game. Speed things up slow things down speed things up slow things down.
That IS how the game dies fast.
vroooooom vroooooooooom, then brakes, then vroooom vrooom, then oooooops brakes fail and hits brick wall.
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by BirKibrisli » Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:50 am
I don't really believe Papadopoulos wants Partition as it is sometimes claimed,but can anybody tell me what he will accept to bring about a solution???I mean what are his so called "red lines"?And do you think they will change after the election??? 
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by paaul12 » Sun Feb 26, 2006 7:40 pm
Sunday, February 26, 2006 Turkish Daily News
OPINIONS
YÜKSEL SÖYLEMEZ
Greek Cypriot President Tassos Papadopoulos was pushed into a corner by the new 10-point Turkish Action Plan, which forced him to counteraction. Firstly, he called these proposals a rehash and not even worth thinking about, dismissing them as a non-starter, which suited his policy of stalling any progress.
But having seen international reactions from countries that matter, like the United States, the United Kingdom -- as a guarantor power of the three 1960 treaties, and in the face of positive reactions even from the European Union Commissioner and the European Parliament, not to mention Putin's Russia, he must have thought it necessary to think again, and this he apparently did.
His second thoughts must have told Papadopoulos that he should once again try to fool U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, who felt that the 10-point Turkish Action Plan proposing to restart the Cyprus negotiations was a positive step forward worth studying.
Papadopoulos had already fooled the EU in 2004 with false promises. Most probably, according to his Byzantine mind, diplomacy is all about fooling your counterparts, and he is trying to outmaneuver the Turkish plan by saying he is "ready to start the negotiations, even tomorrow." All Papadopoulos' tomorrows become yesterdays overnight in his quest to gain time by stalling. He must be blind not to see that the island is on the way to becoming permanently divided.
My considered opinion is that there is no bigger fool than he who takes the other person, his opponent, for a fool. As the dictum goes, "You can fool some of the people some of the time but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time."
Papadopoulos goes to Paris to meet Secretary-General Annan this coming Tuesday, with nothing in his briefcase but procedural antics. But Annan has already been fooled by him more than once, most recently in April 2004 when Papadopoulos unwisely urged the Greek Cypriots to kill the Annan Plan outright, which they dutifully did by voting with an unceremonious "ohi" in the referendum.
The Annan Plan, which basically recognized equal status for the Turkish Cypriots in a future federal state of Cyprus, never saw the light of day. In his heart of hearts the secretary-general must be livid with Papadopoulos for denigrating and debasing his plan by trampling on his reputation as an honest broker. The deeply disappointed Annan was left with a stillborn plan in his hand, a peace proposal for Cyprus that the U.N. Security Council then proceeded to disown, rather than support and adopt this legitimate effort to solve the Cyprus question, whatever its admitted pluses and minuses. It was a Pyrrhic victory for Papadopoulos and his tactics in outflanking Annan and the opportunity for peace, and in this he was assisted by the negative stance of Russia.
This week Papadopoulos stopped in Vienna to meet EU term president Austrian Chancellor Wolfgang Schuessel, just to complain about candidate Turkey. Schuessel agreed with him that Turkish ports should be opened to Greek Cypriot ships before the end of the year. On the same day, in a calculated move to create tension, Papadopoulos sent a Greek Cypriot vessel to Mersin in a deliberate attempt to force the issue, knowing full well that the ship would not be given permission to dock. Prime Minister Erdogan's reply was swift and brisk, to paraphrase, "Recognition of Greek Cyprus is not a precondition for EU membership of Turkey." Opening Turkish ports to Greek Cypriot vessels means de facto recognition of Greek Cyprus.
Papadopoulos goes to Paris with a three-point proposal to offer Annan. The counter-offer is this: Firstly, that there should be no mediator, no go-between in the negotiations, nor should the United Nations, Annan or his representative be involved in the negotiations or clandestinely eavesdrop, but instead watch from the 38th floor office of U.N. headquarters in New York, binoculars in hand, for fear that the United Nations will meddle and take sides. No need for interlocutors to help, assist or contribute to the illusion that negotiations are in progress, hence no report to the Security Council making the proceedings public, to blame one party or both.
According to the second Papadopoulos procedural condition, there should be no time limit for the negotiations, so that the haggling can continue ad infinitum, ad nauseam, with ample opportunities for filibustering. Consequently, there will be no breakup, postponement or adjournment at any time so that these pre-doomed negotiations can last for months, years or forever.
According to the third Papadopoulos condition as reported in the media, there will be no referenda unless the parties agree to the outcome of the negotiations. This condition, specifically addressed to the U.N. secretary-general as a criticism of his previous suggestion, defies established practice and even ordinary logic.
Papadopoulos, before going to Paris, made these three procedural points against the 10-point Action Plan of Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul without addressing or referring to any of the 10 points. He declared outright the self-styled "success" of his conditions as a great Greek Cypriot victory before the scheduled meeting had even taken place stating that the secretary-general had agreed with his conditions.
Having strangled the Annan plan at birth, this time Papadopoulos intends to convince Kofi Annan of his serious intention of negotiating with him in Paris. Annan is a man of great innate diplomatic courtesy and limitless experience in his last year of office, and he will no doubt listen to Papadopoulos with politeness but also with a heavy heart and unbearable patience, only to tell him as a matter of diplomatic nicety that he will study his procedural proposals and come back to him.
Observing the Paris encounter from a distance and in advance may look like a harmless ballroom dance, but it is really totally and completely useless beating around the bush, in its gloss and tarnished veneer a good photo opportunity before the May elections in Greek Cyprus. To one who is not illiterate and ignorant of the personal history of Papadopoulos and the general history of the question of Cyprus, even hoping against hope the Paris encounter is and will be a total no-go.
In line with his usual behavior, Papadopoulos will most likely pull his best trick from his sleeve just before saying goodbye to Annan, to paraphrase: "Mr. Secretary-General, I am ready to negotiate even tomorrow, but I have one personal request from you, and I am sure you will sympathize with me, that this time the negotiations should begin and be completed with an agreement, with success, but under your guarantee."
Did the secretary-general hear him correctly? Probably he did, but he would have preferred to be hard of hearing, otherwise his reaction would be described as flabbergasted and stupefied, with a grin on his face, "But Mr. President, how can anyone guarantee...?
You are indeed a fool if you think you can fool all of the people all of the time.
OPINIONS
YÜKSEL SÖYLEMEZ
Greek Cypriot President Tassos Papadopoulos was pushed into a corner by the new 10-point Turkish Action Plan, which forced him to counteraction. Firstly, he called these proposals a rehash and not even worth thinking about, dismissing them as a non-starter, which suited his policy of stalling any progress.
But having seen international reactions from countries that matter, like the United States, the United Kingdom -- as a guarantor power of the three 1960 treaties, and in the face of positive reactions even from the European Union Commissioner and the European Parliament, not to mention Putin's Russia, he must have thought it necessary to think again, and this he apparently did.
His second thoughts must have told Papadopoulos that he should once again try to fool U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, who felt that the 10-point Turkish Action Plan proposing to restart the Cyprus negotiations was a positive step forward worth studying.
Papadopoulos had already fooled the EU in 2004 with false promises. Most probably, according to his Byzantine mind, diplomacy is all about fooling your counterparts, and he is trying to outmaneuver the Turkish plan by saying he is "ready to start the negotiations, even tomorrow." All Papadopoulos' tomorrows become yesterdays overnight in his quest to gain time by stalling. He must be blind not to see that the island is on the way to becoming permanently divided.
My considered opinion is that there is no bigger fool than he who takes the other person, his opponent, for a fool. As the dictum goes, "You can fool some of the people some of the time but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time."
Papadopoulos goes to Paris to meet Secretary-General Annan this coming Tuesday, with nothing in his briefcase but procedural antics. But Annan has already been fooled by him more than once, most recently in April 2004 when Papadopoulos unwisely urged the Greek Cypriots to kill the Annan Plan outright, which they dutifully did by voting with an unceremonious "ohi" in the referendum.
The Annan Plan, which basically recognized equal status for the Turkish Cypriots in a future federal state of Cyprus, never saw the light of day. In his heart of hearts the secretary-general must be livid with Papadopoulos for denigrating and debasing his plan by trampling on his reputation as an honest broker. The deeply disappointed Annan was left with a stillborn plan in his hand, a peace proposal for Cyprus that the U.N. Security Council then proceeded to disown, rather than support and adopt this legitimate effort to solve the Cyprus question, whatever its admitted pluses and minuses. It was a Pyrrhic victory for Papadopoulos and his tactics in outflanking Annan and the opportunity for peace, and in this he was assisted by the negative stance of Russia.
This week Papadopoulos stopped in Vienna to meet EU term president Austrian Chancellor Wolfgang Schuessel, just to complain about candidate Turkey. Schuessel agreed with him that Turkish ports should be opened to Greek Cypriot ships before the end of the year. On the same day, in a calculated move to create tension, Papadopoulos sent a Greek Cypriot vessel to Mersin in a deliberate attempt to force the issue, knowing full well that the ship would not be given permission to dock. Prime Minister Erdogan's reply was swift and brisk, to paraphrase, "Recognition of Greek Cyprus is not a precondition for EU membership of Turkey." Opening Turkish ports to Greek Cypriot vessels means de facto recognition of Greek Cyprus.
Papadopoulos goes to Paris with a three-point proposal to offer Annan. The counter-offer is this: Firstly, that there should be no mediator, no go-between in the negotiations, nor should the United Nations, Annan or his representative be involved in the negotiations or clandestinely eavesdrop, but instead watch from the 38th floor office of U.N. headquarters in New York, binoculars in hand, for fear that the United Nations will meddle and take sides. No need for interlocutors to help, assist or contribute to the illusion that negotiations are in progress, hence no report to the Security Council making the proceedings public, to blame one party or both.
According to the second Papadopoulos procedural condition, there should be no time limit for the negotiations, so that the haggling can continue ad infinitum, ad nauseam, with ample opportunities for filibustering. Consequently, there will be no breakup, postponement or adjournment at any time so that these pre-doomed negotiations can last for months, years or forever.
According to the third Papadopoulos condition as reported in the media, there will be no referenda unless the parties agree to the outcome of the negotiations. This condition, specifically addressed to the U.N. secretary-general as a criticism of his previous suggestion, defies established practice and even ordinary logic.
Papadopoulos, before going to Paris, made these three procedural points against the 10-point Action Plan of Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul without addressing or referring to any of the 10 points. He declared outright the self-styled "success" of his conditions as a great Greek Cypriot victory before the scheduled meeting had even taken place stating that the secretary-general had agreed with his conditions.
Having strangled the Annan plan at birth, this time Papadopoulos intends to convince Kofi Annan of his serious intention of negotiating with him in Paris. Annan is a man of great innate diplomatic courtesy and limitless experience in his last year of office, and he will no doubt listen to Papadopoulos with politeness but also with a heavy heart and unbearable patience, only to tell him as a matter of diplomatic nicety that he will study his procedural proposals and come back to him.
Observing the Paris encounter from a distance and in advance may look like a harmless ballroom dance, but it is really totally and completely useless beating around the bush, in its gloss and tarnished veneer a good photo opportunity before the May elections in Greek Cyprus. To one who is not illiterate and ignorant of the personal history of Papadopoulos and the general history of the question of Cyprus, even hoping against hope the Paris encounter is and will be a total no-go.
In line with his usual behavior, Papadopoulos will most likely pull his best trick from his sleeve just before saying goodbye to Annan, to paraphrase: "Mr. Secretary-General, I am ready to negotiate even tomorrow, but I have one personal request from you, and I am sure you will sympathize with me, that this time the negotiations should begin and be completed with an agreement, with success, but under your guarantee."
Did the secretary-general hear him correctly? Probably he did, but he would have preferred to be hard of hearing, otherwise his reaction would be described as flabbergasted and stupefied, with a grin on his face, "But Mr. President, how can anyone guarantee...?
You are indeed a fool if you think you can fool all of the people all of the time.
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by Agios Amvrosios » Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:11 am
You always need to remember that Turkey can only enter Europe through Cyprus. Turkey cannot even dream of a quick smooth trip while 40,000 troops contuinue to illegally occupy European soil in Cyprus. Cyprus will hold the European presidency on the scheduled eave of accession. Everything has been planned to play one side off the other for ever- imagine if the republic of Cyprus and Turkey were to work together!
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