CAN CYPRUS VETO TURKISH ENTRY TO E.U
by brother » Wed Oct 20, 2004 7:28 pm
the end all is not with the politicians as the tc demonstrated at the polls, when it comes down to it they will pick the best solution but as such you are not showing them the welcome mat or the benefits of the ROC, just a job and a passport(not enough) they want there human rights and dignity and you are not doing that at the moment are you.
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by -mikkie2- » Wed Oct 20, 2004 8:52 pm
Cyprus is in the EU. You are an EU citizen. EU citizens have the same rights.
The means are there for you to do something about it!
These are just excuses. You have recourse to the Cyprus courts just like Arif has. You have not been given stolen property in the north, you do not intend to sell your land and go and live in the north, you just want to exercise your valid rights. In my mind, you have an equally good case to put forward. SO DO IT, instead of finding excuses for inaction.
I say the same to GC's. You can't get your property rights back then get off your ass and GO TO THE ECHR! It only costs 200 pounds to file a case.
This is an example of people power! Do these things and watch how quickly the politicians will sit round a table!
The means are there for you to do something about it!
These are just excuses. You have recourse to the Cyprus courts just like Arif has. You have not been given stolen property in the north, you do not intend to sell your land and go and live in the north, you just want to exercise your valid rights. In my mind, you have an equally good case to put forward. SO DO IT, instead of finding excuses for inaction.
I say the same to GC's. You can't get your property rights back then get off your ass and GO TO THE ECHR! It only costs 200 pounds to file a case.
This is an example of people power! Do these things and watch how quickly the politicians will sit round a table!
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by -mikkie2- » Wed Oct 20, 2004 10:16 pm
Hi MicAtCyp,
You don't need a lawyer to file a case! Much of this work can be done by the people themselves.
The point of filing a case is to simply increase the number of cases that are put before the ECHR. After that, if the ECHR says your case is valid and can be put forward, THEN you can decide whether to hire a lawyer or not.
To be honest I have gone by what various peeople have told me, so it depends if what I was told was correct or not. But even so, I don't think an individual needs to spend thousands of pounds just to file a 2-3 page case to the ECHR. Only if a person decides to fight the case should a decision be made as to whether to go ahead with it or not.
You don't need a lawyer to file a case! Much of this work can be done by the people themselves.
The point of filing a case is to simply increase the number of cases that are put before the ECHR. After that, if the ECHR says your case is valid and can be put forward, THEN you can decide whether to hire a lawyer or not.
To be honest I have gone by what various peeople have told me, so it depends if what I was told was correct or not. But even so, I don't think an individual needs to spend thousands of pounds just to file a 2-3 page case to the ECHR. Only if a person decides to fight the case should a decision be made as to whether to go ahead with it or not.
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by brother » Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:22 pm
mikkie what you are saying is speculation, as for arif he lived in the south before he was allowed to take it to court, we have enquired and been told 'NO' and that we have to live in the south at least for 6 months for them to entertain it, so these human rights you spoke of are still not implemented in the south, as for courts, which one would you suggest that will entertain it, answer none, so we are back to square one.
If you doubt what i say then call a few gc lawyers and you will find out the horrid truth.
If you doubt what i say then call a few gc lawyers and you will find out the horrid truth.
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by -mikkie2- » Thu Oct 21, 2004 2:04 pm
Brother,
No, no no!
You should have the legal right to take the Cyprus government to court! You can take the case to the Supreme Court in Cyprus and challenge the government on the residency issue. Is there a valid reason why you can't? I'd be interested to know!
If they do not accept your case, then you can take it to the ECHR.
As far as I am aware, you have legal ownership of property in the free areas of Cyprus. Cyprus is an EU member, you are an EU citizen!
No, no no!
You should have the legal right to take the Cyprus government to court! You can take the case to the Supreme Court in Cyprus and challenge the government on the residency issue. Is there a valid reason why you can't? I'd be interested to know!
If they do not accept your case, then you can take it to the ECHR.
As far as I am aware, you have legal ownership of property in the free areas of Cyprus. Cyprus is an EU member, you are an EU citizen!
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by MicAtCyp » Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:04 pm
Mikkie is not that simple my friend, beleive me.On one hand is the right of the TC to his property on the other his obligations and responsibilities.For the Tcs who live in the occupied areas there are personal responsibilities for using GC properties.So if the Government is sued she can also counter sue.
Arif went directly to the Supreme Court got a decision but that decision is been questioned now.So nothing is definite.
In the end the Government does whatever she wants based on the doctrine of "justice out of necessity". So far what they do is that they offer a compromise solution. BUT they never allow the TC to sell his own property.
Things are clearer for the TCs who left Cyprus prior to 1974, but as far as I know these persons are not many, in the sense that most properties are inherited and some of the heirs do still live in Cyprus or at least have been living for some time after 1974
I am not sure how easily a TC can win a case in the ECHR either.
Arif went directly to the Supreme Court got a decision but that decision is been questioned now.So nothing is definite.
In the end the Government does whatever she wants based on the doctrine of "justice out of necessity". So far what they do is that they offer a compromise solution. BUT they never allow the TC to sell his own property.
Things are clearer for the TCs who left Cyprus prior to 1974, but as far as I know these persons are not many, in the sense that most properties are inherited and some of the heirs do still live in Cyprus or at least have been living for some time after 1974
I am not sure how easily a TC can win a case in the ECHR either.
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