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[2fan]

I'm Turkish American.

Two things: 1) who gives a shit?
2) would you support a constitution similar to the American Constitution for Cyprus, that is to say where every individual has the same rights as everyone else- or would you still insist on Special Privileges for the Turkish Minority for no other reason other than being glorious Turks with a brutal occupation behind them to do allow them to ask for any idiotic undemocratic privilege they can get away with?

2 Things Dumbass,

1. If you read maewings post you would unsderstand why I said I was Turkish American.

2. While there are assholes like you around, I don't support anything but partition. When racists like you change their views then I will support a U.S. style constitution on Cyprus.

[rolo]

At no point Turkey accepted a united independent Cyprus and they were looking for an excuse to invade.

and you gave it to them on a plate, with a big fat bow on it.


Greeks underestimated turkish resolve, and Gcs believed in their own superiority and propoganda as per usual.

The sad bit is, Gcs still believe in the myths which they still make up.

[Piratis]

and you gave it to them on a plate, with a big fat bow on it.

The excuse was given by a small minority of terrorists that even tried to assassinate the president.

If Turkey needed an excuse to invade an occupy Cyprus, instead of protecting her as it was her role, then finding an excuse was just a matter of time.

Turkey also had many coups and civil conflicts, and many other countries also. The difference in the case of Cyprus is that our problem was used as an excuse by Turkey to invade us, while she could have perfectly use her power to restore constitutional order and our president (and then we would all celebrate what would have been a true peace operation)

[Lala_Mustafa_Pasha]

I totally agree Rolo, Greeks with the "Micheal, Pirastic, Agios.." disorder suffer from an inferiority complex and that Turks dont exist and sub-human and so should be entitled to no rights.

These are deeply paranoid hate filled people, they say "Turkey" was looking for a reason to invade.

That just makes your leaders dumb jack-asses, so now apparently they "knew" that Turkey was looking for some sort of excuse.

What do they do? bring in a Greek Junta, draw up the Akritos plan-Greeks version of Hilter;s The Final Solution, start Eoka Terrorism, proclaim Enosis, try to exterminate the Turks off the Island for 20 years of terror, attempt to make the Island a pure Greek one and tie it to mainland Greece.

And then you complain that Turkey interwined, damn you've got a cheek

Remember while the Greek Army ruled there was Chaos on the Island, only after the Turkish forces arrived has there been peace and stability, your problem is your greedy and want the entire Island for yourselves, typical Eoka-B menatllities, I hope your all proud of yourselves.

Ha, Pirastis thinks we would let Makarious have power again lol, it wud be a wasted journey, by the time our forces returned to Turkiye, you'd be slaughtering us again.

It was the Greeks who screwed up not the Turks, Turks did would anyone would do for their people if faced with the threat or extinction by an Armed Force killing their own people.

[Piratis]

I totally agree Rolo, Greeks with the "Micheal, Pirastic, Agios.." disorder suffer from an inferiority complex and that Turks dont exist and sub-human and so should be entitled to no rights.

These are deeply paranoid hate filled people, they say "Turkey" was looking for a reason to invade.

You are accusing me of paranoia?

paranoia: A condition characterized by the gradual development of a delusion

It is obvious that the one who suffers from paranoia is you. I never said that turks sub human and should be entitled to no rights. I would suggest to go see a doctor for your paranoia problem before it becomes worst.

What do they do? bring in a Greek Junta, draw up the Akritos plan-Greeks version of Hilter;s The Final Solution, start Eoka Terrorism, proclaim Enosis, try to exterminate the Turks off the Island for 20 years of terror, attempt to make the Island a pure Greek one and tie it to mainland Greece.

Oh, so we tried to "exterminate" Turks for 20 years, yet only some 100s of TCs had died during that period? (about the same amount of GCs died as well). And then the Turkish invasion killed 6000 people in just days.

So what is extermination: some 100s of people that died during a period of 20 years, or 6000 people that died within days along with 200.000 that were ethnically cleansed? Or the 20,000 that the Ottomans killed in Nicosia within days when they first invaded?
You should be the last one talking about extermination my friend.

You have committed 100 times more crimes against us, and you are simply trying to find excuses to continue your crimes and illegalities.

[2fan]

Pirates,

I am not trying to insensitive to your feelings. The invasion/intervention cost many many lives. I agree many gcs perished. However, If Turkey did not intervene thousands more were going to die. The amound is difficult to quantify, but if the the intercommunal fighting were left to degenerate who knows what would have happened. Who was going to come to the rescue? NO ONE! The powers that be let Turkey intervene because they themselves did not want to be tagged with the dogma of the invasion. Blame the Turks as always. I can asure you that if the "evil" turks didn't come tens of thousands would have died.

[Piratis]

2fan, the intercommunal conflict had mostly ended in 1968, very few people had died after. During the coup several Greek Cypriots of the Resistance had been killed but no turkish Cypriot had been killed until the Turkish invasion started. Also don't forget that the coup in both Cyprus and Greece had collapsed immidietly after the invasion. Yet Turkey continued with a second invasion (ignoring the cease fire) and killed many many more people.

Here is an article by an american: http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=4595

Ioannides sponsored yet another military coup, this time in Cyprus, that overthrew the elected and popular civilian Makarios government. He installed Nicos Sampson as the new ruler of Cyprus. Sampson, who also at one time advocated genocide against Turkish Cypriots, launched a ruthless campaign of terror against leftist, liberal, and democratic Greek Cypriots who dared to stand up to his rule. Turkish Cypriots, who had every reason in the world to believe Ioannides and Samson planned to destroy them, hunkered down in ghettoes and appealed to Turkey for help.

The Turks had the real opportunity to be saviors here, not only of Turkish Cypriots, but also of Greek Cypriots and even Greeks in Greece. That, for a month anyway, is exactly what they were. Turkey launched a limited invasion of Cyprus and occupied a small part of the island in July 1974. Ioannides’ military regime in Greece promptly collapsed. Power was handed back to civilians. Ioannides was thrown into the slammer. When the junta in Cyprus found itself without its patron in Athens, it too promptly collapsed -- and collapsing the very same day.

The Turks should have stopped there. Civilian rule had been restored in two countries thanks in large part to them. Turkish Cypriot civilians really were rescued from the depredations of unelected Greek and Greek Cypriot thugs who threatened to massacre them. Yet they just couldn’t help themselves. For years the Turkish military elite had been eyeballing Cyprus as an old Ottoman holding that they wanted back. And so, using the real threat to Turkish Cypriot civilians -- a threat that for the most part had already been vanquished -- Turkey cut Cyprus in half. Then Turkey forced nearly all the Greek Cypriots on the northern half the island to move south of the partition Line. The displaced were, and are, forbidden from returning to their old homes.

Yes, Turkey had the excuse and she could also use the guarantor rights in the correct way. However it is undeniable that Turkey simply found the excuse to execute the plan that always had in mind, and that the extent of human suffering that the Turkish invasion has caused, as well as the Turkish occupation 32 years after the excused has expired is totally unjustified.

[rolo]

2Fan

i agree there. it has been suggested that up to two thousands had already died prior to the invassion. How many more would have lost their lives is now pure guesswork.

However it does show that there was opposition to Enosis by many gcs, such that they gave their lives to defend independance. In contrast to this
opinion though here is a quote, which just adds to further confuse the issue:




“Independence was not the aim of the EOKA struggle. Foreign factors have prevented the achievement of the national goal, but this should not be a cause for sorrow, New bastions have been conquered and from these bastions the Greek Cypriots will march on to complete the final victory.” - Makarios, August 16, 1974

[kalamaras74]

I totally agree Rolo, Greeks with the "Micheal, Pirastic, Agios.." disorder suffer from an inferiority complex and that Turks dont exist and sub-human and so should be entitled to no rights.

These are deeply paranoid hate filled people, they say "Turkey" was looking for a reason to invade.

That just makes your leaders dumb jack-asses, so now apparently they "knew" that Turkey was looking for some sort of excuse.

What do they do? bring in a Greek Junta, draw up the Akritos plan-Greeks version of Hilter;s The Final Solution, start Eoka Terrorism, proclaim Enosis, try to exterminate the Turks off the Island for 20 years of terror, attempt to make the Island a pure Greek one and tie it to mainland Greece.

The way you use "they" in your tirade, you think that Greek Cypriots do not exist. Did the Greek Cypriot leadership bring in Sampson? You talk about leaders, so I assume you are implying that Makarios was in on this as well as part of the final solution. Lala land. Truly.

Turkey was looking for an excuse and most definitely did not use the guarantor powers as they had been intended. You are a piece of work. Not only do you rant and rage at people who patiently try and post facts for the benefit of the dialogue between Greek and Turkish Cypriots, but you refuse to present your case in a coherent, factual way and end up repeating the same thing over and over again like a parrot.

[blackley]

There is a very unbiased, factual little book on Cyprus produced by the "Minority Rights Group"author Keith Kyle titled Cyprus - In Search of Peace ( 1997 ). Extracts are available on the internet. Worth a look. Despite some counter claims, Makarios was ïn everything"right from the start and he took the EOKA oath of allegiance. Can't be more committed than that. As regards Sampson, he was a member of the Legislature in 1974. He was elected on the policy that "a good Turk is a dead Turk". Unfortunately for him, Makarios lost control of the Greek militia that he had brought to the island. The Greek junta needed a "victory"in Cyprus to improve its standing in Greece. So they tried to kill Makarios. Thought that they had and intalled Sampson. That's when Greek soldiers and Greek Cypriots loyal to Sampsson started killing GC's loyal to Makarios. Who needs enemies when you have friends like that?