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[Michael]

Mr Big Turk, you do make me laugh. You sound like an old communist apparatchik. Well you are a Bulgarian Turk living legally (???) in England.
The TRC is no better than a Turkic Bantustan. The Turkish government decides to beef up the Turks presence in the occupied territories, by ethnic cleansing deepest Anatolian into our country. I think Herr Hitler would be impressed with the you, that is if he didn’t find you so racially suspect.

[bg_turk]

The racist one is you, since you support fascists and Nazist practices of invading foreign countries and stealing their own land.

Allahim sabir selamet ver! /ALLAH give me patience!/ How many times do I have to tell you that I support the return of properties to Greek Cypriots? And the TRNC will implement a court that will allow GCs to return very soon.

The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, is not a nazi state, it is a democratic state whose government is elected by all Turkish Cypriots.

It is a Turkish Nazi state since the ones that vote in those "elections" are only a small minority, while the majority which doesn't agree with the fascist foreign occupation is other shot dead or ethnically cleansed. In every country that the Nazis ruled tradors existed that collaborated with them and helped them to continue their occupation. Cyprus is not an exception.

Greek cypritos will soon assume their rightful place in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, it is this that you are worried about, isn't it?

My analogies are very correct. Turkey is using the excuse of the Turkish minority to illegally occupy part of the independent Republic of Cyprus. Nothing more and nothing less.

Those who endorsed appeasement also viewed the Sudeten Germans as a suppressed minority living under unfriendly alien rule. Robert Parker, writing in the Fortnightly, regarded the Czechs as ruthless people bent on dominating the other nationalities under them. He claimed that the Czechs themselves were never oppressed under the humanitarian Habsburg rule, but yet they sought to subject their new German subjects. In his editorial letter in The Times (London), Archibald Ramsay described the Czechs as vicious exploiters of the Sudeten Germans and claimed that the vague Czech concessions were just a smoke screen for their continued oppression of the German minority. Parker claimed that they attempted to Czechize the Sudeten territories because of their jealousy of German economic dominance. The Czechs sought to weaken the Sudetens by economic and political oppression. This, combined with their anti-German foreign policy, was the reason for Hitler "hammering at Prague's door."
http://www.loyno.edu/history/journal/1993-4/Lilly.html

I know about this case, a czech friend of mine told me about it, and after the germans lost the war, the czech made sure all of the germans are forced away from the country, I hope you do not propose the same solution with Turkish Cypriots.

[Michael]

I don’t believe you. You have a friend?
You are just playing the same old belly dancing whirling dervish a tunes.

[Piratis]

How many times do I have to tell you that I support the return of properties to Greek Cypriots? And the TRNC will implement a court that will allow GCs to return very soon.

I know what you support. GCs living in the part of the Republic of Cyprus that is currently under illegal occupation will not change the fact that the occupation of Republic of Cyprus is illegal. After the invasion we had some 1000s of GCs that were living in the occupied areas. Their number was reduced to some 100s because living under illegal occupation is not easy.

As we agreed already, the Nazis occupying Europe was illegal even if they didn't perform ethnic cleansing in the territories they occupied like the Turks did.

I know about this case, a czech friend of mine told me about it, and after the germans lost the war, the czech made sure all of the germans are forced away from the country, I hope you do not propose the same solution with Turkish Cypriots.

What I hope is that the problem of Cyprus can be solved peacefully by returning to legality and with full respect of the human, legal and democratic rights of all Cypriots. This would be the ideal solution.
Unfortunately many TCs try to prove to us that regaining our rights in a peaceful way is impossible.

[maewing]

Now that everyone has dubbed everyone else a racist, I have another question--more like a survey:

What is everyone's sentiment about the feeling of average GCs and TCs about each other? That is, is hatred the average sentiment or is it frustration or what is it?

I initially proposed this "No Greek and Turkish (country) involvement" stream because many GCs and TCs I've met seem more frustrated being apparently caught between ideologies and political motives (whether those of Greece, Turkey, the UN or the US) than angry with their counterpart. I imean, I've heard more GCs speak negatively of Sri Lankans than of TCs.

bg-Turk's earlier point (which was that TCs need Turkey to feel safe) I can see but is this necesary for equal treatment or for preferential treatment (te same can be posed of Greek involvement for GCs)?

I hope this doesn't sound racist (just kidding guys)

[Piratis]

maewing, I don't think there is such thing as an "average feeling". People feel differently depending on who they are, the kind of education they had and the way that this conflict has affected them or their families.

Personally I don't know any Greek Cypriots that hate TCs. However I know many that are frustrated by their insistence on supporting the illegal occupation and therefore do not have very loving or friendly feelings toward them.
Actually in our schools they teach children that the occupation is done by Turkey alone, and they present TCs more or less as just victims like we are. An effort is made that GCs will not associate the occupation with TCs but with Turkey alone. This is why you will find many people that "hate" Turkey, while only very few that "hate" TCs.

[Lala_Mustafa_Pasha]

I really dont know which is worse"Chryssi Avgi" ,"Hellenic Front" or EOKA, their views are being projected by certain Greeks of this forum.

Greeks should try and stop these severly racist minorities give them a bad image and condemn, ridicule and explain how disturbed they are.

[kalamaras74]

Then you should take down your slogan as it is just as racist, especially in light of the fact that the area in question is "Turk" as the result of ethnic cleansing.

It's only fair, degil mi, Lala Bey?

[maewing]

Thank you Piratis,

This was the sentiment I got from GCs--that they hate the Turkish involvement but not the TCs. I do not know enough TCs to say I have gotten a conscensus opinion, but when I have told some I am permanently moving to Cyprus, they assume I mean the southern part and have no apparent negative feelings about it.

Your point about "average" is well taken but I asked about it only to get an idea of the direction one might think a "vote" might go in. For example, if we can stop calling each other names for a moment (including calling others "racist", LALA), let's talk about some true idiots: George Bush and Condoleeza Rice. These people touted democracy in the Middle East and forced an election on their terms in Palestine. Having no clue about the "average opinion" (in this I mean the voting average) they were shocked when the outcome was for Hamas. They were shocked that the average sentiment was for terrorists and now, flaunting democracy, want to remove these people by force.

Now taking this as a lesson, suppose a general election were held in Cyprus and voters (both TC and GC, let's assume) were asked to vote on issues such as the repatriation of homes (both sides), expulsion of Turkish forces, parliamentary representation and so forth. It would be the average opinion that would prevail, would it not? (Keeping in mind, that the size of the TC minority might not matter if there is a representative element to the structure). What then would be the average opinion on these issues? Would it be possible to hold such an election?

Left up to the US, UN, Turkey and Greece, I would argue that they would attempt to alter the outcome to their liking. Would we want these people to decide Cyprus' fate should the election not go in the direction they would like? Please comment.

[Lala_Mustafa_Pasha]

You hate Turkish involvment but not Turks of Cyprus, the sentance is an irony in itself to begin with.

So you like Tc's when their unarmed and unprotected just the way the Greek Junta loves to carry out its barbaric program of slaughter against our people.

Sorry guys but your arguments are so flawed, you can't even begin to grasp the Turks of Cyprus' aspects and views and have no respect for us and are un-willing to listen to anything we have to say.

I love my country KKTC You can either love it or hate it, really doesnt bother me as long as were free of EOKA "Chryssi Avgi" and "Hellenic Front" and live according to our rules and equality to our people I'll always support my Nation.

Long live KKTC