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where did the tcs originate from?

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Postby Sotos » Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:17 pm

We are from Turkmen Tribes, migrated after the Ottomans took the Island and we were settled there to spread Turkmen ways and because of the Tribal structure to increase in numbers and provide an influence.

If that was the case then why are Turkish Cypriots so much more similar (in genes) to Greek Cypriots than Turks?
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Postby Lala_Mustafa_Pasha » Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:04 pm

I'll explain Aus.

Turkish Cypriots are from the Oguz Turks, known as the Legendary Oguz.

We are of the "Bati Turkeli" which means, Western Turk Land our population is more than 120 million, we inhabit areas in western Asia (Turkmenistan), 30 million in Iran and also populations in eastern Europe.

The land east of the Caspian sea is known as "Turkestan" (up untill before Uygur/Xinjang province China), it has population of roughly 100 million.

Azerbaijanis of the Republic of Azerbaycan and the South Azerbaijan region of Iran, Turks of Turkey and Cyprus, Turkmens of Turkmenistan and northeastern Iran, Qashqay, Khurasani, Khamseh, Afshar Turks of Iran, Balkan Turks of the former Yugoslavia and Gauguz (Gokoguz) (Christian Turks) Turks of Moldova.

Oguz Turks have established many States, Dynasties, Empires in many different regions however we share Oguz Turk ancestry, culture, history, language and literature.

The modern Turk nations of , Turks of Turkey and Turkish Cyprus, Azerbaycan and Turkmens (Turkmenistan) also of Iraq, Iran, Syria and Eastern Europe are the three most historical of Oguz Turk peoples.

We were called West Turks, because we migrated to areas West of the Caspian Sea, East of which is Turkestan untill into China.

When we migrated to West of the Caspian Sea we had settled for a long time untill the arrival of Islam, where we were called Turk-men, men meaning strong and powerfull and Turk who we were.

The Oguz Turks were huge in population, a massive clan of over 5 million, into which previous Turk clans like Khazars, Huns, Avars, GokTurks, Kipchaks etc joined to increase the numbers further.

This is a basic diagram of the Oguz Turk Clan.

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The Ottomans were of the "Kayi" branch which you can see in this chart. They had loyalties and allegiences to all other tribes mentioned here and others, as the Chief Tribe, the Ottomans had to support, provide assistance and give prioritee to the other Turkmen to maintain support or they would rebel and this happened from time to time.

The policy of the Ottomans was that they had to settle sub-Tribes of the Main Tribes listed on the Chart into any land they conquered, to make the area more loyal, have a Muslim population and who could bring the customs, laws and ways of the Ottomans to people who had no contact with them before, this policy was called, "SENLENDIRME"

The first Turks on the Island were the 20,000 troops who were garrisoned and settled.

The next two waves of migrations occured in 1572 and then from 1699 to 1745.

In the first migration, around 50,000 Turks migrated, these were from the Karaman Province and made up from sub-divisisions of BegDilli, Bayat tribes, also from provinces of "Amasya" (Aegean Coast) an important Selcuk and later Ottoman province and "Sivas" (Central/Eastern Anadolu) also from those two tribes and also "Kinik"


In the second wave, Benoglu clan and Koroglu clan (Koroglu is a famous Legend and many books and literature was written about the heroic acts) of Avshar Tribe, Kacar Halil clan of Kacars, Karahacılı clan of Bozdogans from Ureghir tribe, Gediklu clan of Bayat tribe, Karakecili clan from Kayı tribe (Ottomans Tribe).

My family is of "Salur" descent.

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We have descendants in Turkmenistan, Iran, Ozbekistan, Afganistan :P

There are many Villages and towns also in Mainland Turkey named Salur :D

Also here are where there are Afshar Turk populations who are also in North Cyprus

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This is the Ferman (decree) of Sultan Selim II on Conquest of Cyprus - dated 21 September 1571

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It reads,

Text of the Firman (decree)
In a report I received from Lala Mustafa Pasha, the Governor of Cyprus, it is stated that during the war which lasted three years, many parts of the island were destroyed, and a new ambitious plan is necessary to re- activate the economy and use the natural resources of the island to their utmost. Therefore, I have ordered a plan to be drawn up immediately, and have given instructions to the Governor-General (Lala Mustafa Pasha) to utilize every possible source to develop the country, and to cultivate the fields, vineyards, and farms.
Subsidy and encouragement should be given to the new settlers, especially in the agricultural sector. In addition, the labour force should be expanded to cultivate adequately the fields, farms, and vineyards in the island. Instructions have also been given to the authorities in charge of the settlement programme to see that, among the interested citizens who want to settle in the island, professionals such as craftsmen and traders, shoe-makers, boot-makers, tailors, skull-cap makers, weavers, sack-weavers, wool carders, silk dyers and manufacturers, cooks, soup-makers, candle- stick-makers, saddlers, farriers, grocers, tanners, carpenters, master builders, stone-cutters, goldsmiths, and coppersmiths should be included, and all settlers should be allowed to take their personal belongings and professional equipment.

They should also be encouraged to take their sheep, goats, and farming equipment, and other essential material that will be required to continue their normal life. The immovable properties and lands owned by citizens emigrating to the island should be entrusted to their local authorities, and their respective owners should be compensated in kind. They should also be paid pocket-money subsidies and other allowances, together with their personal travelling expenses. The emigrants who are willing to go to the island should be asked to register their names and professions with the authorities, and after completing the formalities required, should report to the port of Silifke for subsequent travel to reach their destination in Cyprus before the autumn of 1572.

They should also be given expatriate allowance and certain additional privileges such as tax exemptions. Specific instructions have also been given to the authorities that the officials dealing with the emigration formalities should give every possible assistance to the emigrants wishing to go to Cyprus, and accelerate the operation of settlement to see that no complaints arise whatsoever.


Signed
Selim II
Sultan of the Ottoman Empire


http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/people/ ... selim.html
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Postby Michael » Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:23 pm

Lala, do you just go home and make this up. How is one supposed to read something that looks like a spider from an ink pot has just been dancing on your these parchmnets.
What is clear, is that you were sitting in your tents in Mongolia and nothing better to to then swarm across Persia and Iraq and end up in Anatolia. You formed the Ottoman empire, which started to decay the moment it began. Your Sultan lived in luxiriant splendour whist the rest of you did nothing but satisfy your carnal needs. Much like a dogs or bitches for that matter, on heat. Three hundred years later and nothing to show apart from the odd converted Church to a mosque and a trail of hatred from Christians and Arabs alike, you collapse into the third world filth which you appear to inhabit to this day.
The only reason that anybody has any interest in "Turkey" is that there are 70 million of you and you sit at a strategic junction between the Christian West and Arab East . Both detesting you in equal measure. You found solace with treaty with Israel and some two bit nations that all seem to end with -uman.
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Postby Lala_Mustafa_Pasha » Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:26 am

:P

Micheal, go and have a read before embarrasing yourself even further, you sound just like a BNP/Neo Nazi, believing in the Supremism of his race while trying to convince himself that no1 else is of any importance lol.

Micheal
Lala, do you just go home and make this up. How is one supposed to read something that looks like a spider from an ink pot has just been dancing on your these parchmnets


:roll:

Well I'm sorry they didnt have, Keyboards and Computers to type everything up for your convienience.

These are "Fermans", issued by the governers, we would apply laws, building regulations, projects, trade etc etc

Micheal
You formed the Ottoman empire, which started to decay the moment it began.


:shock:

This man is blinded by racist hatred.

What you stated is impossible, from the end of the 1200's it spread from a small province to all of the Balkans, the whole of the Middle East, Istanbul :wink: , North Africa, Eastern Europe, the Black Sea and became one of the GREATEST Empires ever, accepted by all historians :wink:

Micheal
you collapse into the third world filth which you appear to inhabit to this day.


One day you'll visit Turkey or Turkish Cyprus and get quite a shock lol

Micheal
The only reason that anybody has any interest in "Turkey" is that there are 70 million of you


:lol:

It gets worse, theres over 200 million of us :P





Micheal
What is clear, is that you were sitting in your tents in Mongolia and nothing better to to then swarm across Persia and Iraq and end up in Anatolia. You formed the Ottoman empire, which started to decay the moment it began.


Again, more ignorance, I clearly explained this all you just dont want to read and wanna keep on being in denial, Turks are Great wether you like it or, "you" personally not accepting this doesnt change anything, its just your subjective view.

Again we were in Control of the Silk Route and had founded some of the most beautiful cities in "Turkestan" before our branch migrated to "Bati Turkeli".

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Kizil-Kiz Tombs, 200 BC

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Eastern Turkestan

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Ancient Turfan

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Bezelik Caves Turfan

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Ancient Irrigation System at Turfan

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Kashgar, home of Kashgarli Mahmud writer of the Divan Ligut-i Turk, of an over 1000 year old masterpiece.

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Ahmet Yesevi

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Ancient Kazakh town

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Ancient Azeri Castle

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Khazar Capitol, Sarkel,


Well I could go on and on and on and on and embarrass you with the facts but I'll give you a little break so you can apologise :wink:

Oh and the Tents, why they were so beautiful, whats wrong with Tents? havnt you ever spent a night in a Tent in beautiful Turkish company looking up at the stars, eating fantastic food, listening to great music with friends, family and guests :shock: you havent LIVED yet man :P

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Kakay Tent

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Typical tents now seen across Turkey and Turkish Cyprus type Cafe;s

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Yoruk Tent

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A classic, famous Yurt tent

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Turkish Idealists, they make congress and set up huge numbers of tents at the foot of the moutain, keeping it real :P

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A gathering of Tents

Still we have semi-Nomadic tendancies :P we love nature


I'll leave you with this Historical Extract

Ibn Khaldun's contribution was, essentially, one great work: Kitab al-'Ibar ("History of the World"), which he started in 1375. Then in his 40's, he had until that time produced little in the way of writing beyond letters, poetry and a few essays written for friends and patrons. Instead he had lived history as he continued to do all his life, as a participant in public affairs.

Servants brought a macaroni soup called rishtah, to which the guest did honor by cleaning his plate, pleasing his host Ibn Khaldun explained that he had wanted to meet Tamerlane "for 30 or 40 years," because "you are the sultan of the universe and the ruler of the world, and I do not believe that there has appeared among men from Adam until this epoch a ruler like you." He then introduced his favorite theory, that 'asabiyah, group solidarity, was necessary for sovereignty, and the greater the number sharing the 'asabiyah , the greater the power of the sovereignty. "You know how the power of the Arabs was established when they became united in their religion in following their Prophet. As for the Turks ... in their group solidarity, no king on earth can be compared with them, not Chosroes nor Caesar nor Alexander nor Nebuchadnezzar."


That hurts doesnt it lol.

Well I'll leave it there, I could go on and on but your probobly so infuriated and foaming at the mouth like a rabid dog out of pure jelousy and racist hatred against us, so I wont force you into a mental breakdown hehe.

Peace

Dont get too worked up Micheal, I THOUGH YOU LOVED US haha
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Postby Piratis » Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:56 am

Lala, the Turks can be proud for their tents and all, but they have to apologize for their crimes and end the illegal occupation of the sovereign Republic of Cyprus.

Cyprus has been our homeland for 3500 years. The time that your tribes could invade, rape and steal what belongs to others is now over and you have to respect international law. While before your crimes could be excused due to the fact that Turks were mostly undetected hordes, now that many of you people learned to read and write it is time to become more civilized and show some respect. (why did you change your alphabet from Arabic to Latin by the way? To become Europeans? :lol:)

Anyways, if I knew that there was even a chance in a million that you would become more civilized and show some respect I wouldn't talk to you in this way. Knowing that you and your similar will never change though all I have to tall you is that our country will always be ours like it has been for the last 3500 years.

It is up to you to decide if you are Cypriot, and therefore have a place on this island along with the rest of Cypriots, or a Turk that will be in Cyprus only temporary like it has been the case with all other foreign invaders of our island.
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Postby bg_turk » Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:06 am

Piratis wrote:why did you change your alphabet from Arabic to Latin by the way? To become Europeans?

because it is easier to read and write
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Postby Lala_Mustafa_Pasha » Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:17 am

Its just a script Pirastis, its more easier to learn, Ottomans had to be very scholourly, learning the script properly was a real art and its a practice still carried out today, the masters of caligraphy.

Also it wasnt Arabic a common ignorant statement, it was Farsi Script :wink:

How do you imagine to live with as you put it, "Barbarian Hordes", make up your mind man, one minute you love us and want unification, the next you can't stand us lol.

Oh and this mythological 3500 years common, are you also calling the Assyrians, Phonecians, Egyptians, Hitites, Sea Peoples all GREEK :shock:.

It is up to you to decide if you are Cypriot, and therefore have a place on this island along with the rest of Cypriots, or a Turk that will be in Cyprus only temporary like it has been the case with all other foreign invaders of our island.


:shock:

Now, I can't be a Turk on Cyprus, so basically all the Turks of Cyprus must be exterminated, well thats just wonderfull common from the Civillised Pirastis isnt it.

The DullunOgullari, first set forth on this Island on 880 AD, later Arab Muslim brothers also bought some influence and population. 400 years ago the Ottomans my direct ancestors the Salur Turkmen tribe came to this Island AND WERE GREETED WITH FLOWERS BY YOUR PATRIARCH.

Oh and about Cyprus


The Ottomans divided Greece into six sanjaks, each ruled by a Sanjakbey accountable to the Sultan, who established his capital in Constantinople in 1453. Before this division occurred, the Ottomans implemented the millet system, which segregated peoples within the Ottoman Empire based on religion. The conquered land was parcelled out to the Sultan's followers, who held it as feudal fiefs (timars and ziamets) directly from him. The land could not be sold or inherited, but reverted to the Sultan when the fiefholder died. So long as this system applied, the Greek peasants were in some ways better off than they had been during the time of the Byzantine Empire.

The Sultan regarded the Ecumenical Patriarch (which was not abolished because of the respect and tolerance the Ottoman Sultans had towards the People of the Book) of the Greek Orthodox Church as the leader of the Greeks within his empire. The Patriarch was accountable to the Sultan for the Greeks' good behavior, and in exchange he was given wide powers over the Greek community. The Patriarch controlled the courts and the schools, as well as the Church, throughout the Greek communities of the empire. This made Orthodox priests the effective rulers of the Greek village. Some Greek towns, such as Athens and Rhodes, retained municipal self-government, while others were put under Ottoman governors. Some areas, such as the Mani Peninsula in the Peloponnese, along with the Sphakiots of Crete, and the Souliotes (or Souli) of Epirus, remained virtually independent. For their part, the Patriarchs regarded the tolerant rule of the Ottomans as preferable to rule by the Roman Catholic Venetians, who threatened the Orthodox faith in a way the Ottomans did not. When the Ottomans fought the Venetians, the Greeks mostly sided with the Ottomans. The Greek Orthodox Church helped the Greeks from all parts of Greece to preserve their ethnic, cultural, linguistic, and racial heritage; this was mainly possible because the Ottomans did not interfere in this process.



http://www.answers.com/topic/ottoman-greece

I know it HURTS doesnt it, being bought up with lies, being made to HATE the people who actually treated you the best, being taught to love Ventitians who hated you, what a world of IRONY and HYPOCRASISY you live in :roll:

I guess the Greek Junta and Eoka are acts of Civillised Greek Noble acts then :roll:
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Postby Michael » Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:25 am

You are so desperate; over and over you keep shoving this forum with meaningless crap. The simple fact is like locust; you destroyed and devoured established civilizations. Then for three hundred years or so you contributed nothing. IT NOT YOUR FAULT. Your not very good at being civilized.
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Postby Piratis » Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:57 am

How do you imagine to live with as you put it, "Barbarian Hordes", make up your mind man, one minute you love us and want unification, the next you can't stand us lol.

What I want is our land back that the barbarians (=turkish army) took from us. I have no problem to live with other Cypriots, but according to what you say you are not Cypriot but Turk just like all other Turks. Cyprus is for Cypriots not Turks.

Oh and this mythological 3500 years common, are you also calling the Assyrians, Phonecians, Egyptians, Hitites, Sea Peoples all GREEK

Who is calling them Greek?? Many came to Cyprus, but Cyprus always had a Greek Cypriot majority for 3500 years.


Now, I can't be a Turk on Cyprus, so basically all the Turks of Cyprus must be exterminated, well thats just wonderfull common from the Civillised Pirastis isnt it.

If you are a Turk, then you can be in Cyprus only as a foreigner according to the laws of Republic of Cyprus. If you are Cypriot then you can be an equal citizen of the Republic of Cyprus.
Nobody said anybody should be exterminated. I hope the liberation of our country could be achieved without any blood shed.


The DullunOgullari, first set forth on this Island on 880 AD

If you are talking about visitors, we have many of them now as well from around the world. Beyond that no Turk was in Cyprus until 400 years ago.

AND WERE GREETED WITH FLOWERS BY YOUR PATRIARCH


oh really?

This is from country studies made by your friends the USA government:

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted. Word of the massacre spread, and a few days later Mustafa took Kyrenia without having to fire a shot. Famagusta, however, resisted and put up a heroic defense that lasted from September 1570 until August 1571.
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Postby Lala_Mustafa_Pasha » Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:25 pm

:lol:

This is why Turks and Greeks are never gonna live together and why Turkish Cyprus and Greek Cyprus will never unite.

Certain Greeks have an inferiority complex and feel jelous of the Turks and that they have to insult them to make themselves feel better.

Pirastis
What I want is our land back that the barbarians (=turkish army) took from us. I have no problem to live with other Cypriots, but according to what you say you are not Cypriot but Turk just like all other Turks.


I want my land back aswell, well whats left of it, the Home is razed to the gound, our land occupied, theres not really much chance of us getting it back, I had to get over it, you should aswell :wink:

If it wasnt for the Turkish Army there wouldnt be ONE Turkish Cypriot left on the Island.

Turkish Army fight according to Law, bought liberation, peace and stability.

Greek Junta and EOKA Terrorists, fight Illegally according to rules of War, they kill innocent Turks in non-war situation, round Turks into little enclaves, say the Island is un=pure cos there are Turks on it and attempted to wipe us out.

This is not only the act of BARBARIANS, its also the act of Racist Fascists believing in the inferiority of other peoples :(

Pirastis
Who is calling them Greek?? Many came to Cyprus, but Cyprus always had a Greek Cypriot majority for 3500 years.


I guess you have the Cencus to prove this :roll:

The Roman Byzantines, totally changed Greek Culture and Religion and this culture you think is Greek is more Roman than Greek.

58 BC - 395 AD Roman Empire ruling Cyprus: 350 years of quiet provincial prosperity

395 - 649 AD Island becomes a part of the Byzantine Empire when Cyprus is gradually converted from paganism to Orthodox Christianity (Early Byzantine period)


Pirastic
If you are a Turk, then you can be in Cyprus only as a foreigner according to the laws of Republic of Cyprus. If you are Cypriot then you can be an equal citizen of the Republic of Cyprus.


:lol:

Wake up man, I'm from Turkish Cyprus, in my Country I am an equal citizen and really happy and proud of my nation.

The only place this mythological RoC exists is in your Fantasising mind, I dont wanna be an equal citizen according to your terms, I wanna be equal according to my Turkish terms sorry kid.

Pirastis why dont you SOURCE your quotes?

Face it, we treated you guys better than Ventetians, I know, I know it really hurts to accept how great the Ottomans were but eventually you will get there.

Micheal
over and over you keep shoving this forum with meaningless crap.


Micheal what ever is the matter, are you finding it hard to cope with, seing the reality of the Turks and how different it is to everything you've been told.

Certain members wished to discover about Turks, others wanted to pretend we dont exist, I just simply am exposing people like you with Facts Michey.

The truth is greater than even the stories :P


Micheal
Then for three hundred years or so you contributed nothing. IT NOT YOUR FAULT. Your not very good at being civilized.


Now observe how I destroy Micheals "subjective" views with the Hard facts or reality.

First read about your so-called superior people

From the Little Book of BIG Greek Lies

BIG Greek Lie # 1

by Risto Stefov

http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov55.html

Why dont the Macedonians like Greeks? this man wrote 15 articles exposing lies.

Micheal, maybe you should have a read,



Origins. The Khazars were a Turkic1 people who originated in Central Asia.

"Of all the astonishing experiences of the widely dispersed Jewish people
none was more extraordinary than that concerning the Khazars."
- Nathan Ausubel, in Pictorial History of the Jewish People (1953)

"The Khazar people were an unusual phenomenon for Medieval times. Surrounded by savage and nomadic tribes, they had all the advantages of the developed countries: structured government, vast and prosperous trading, and a permanent army. At the time, when great fanatism and deep ignorance contested their dominion over Western Europe, the Khazar state was famous for its justice and tolerance. People persecuted for their faiths flocked into Khazaria from everywhere. As a glistening star it shone brightly on the gloomy horizon of Europe, and faded away without leaving any traces of existence."
- Vasilii V. Grigoriev, in his essay "O dvoystvennosti verkhovnoy vlasti u khazarov" (1835), reprinted in his 1876 compilation book Rossiya i Aziya on page 66

"Though the Jews were everywhere a subject people, and in much of the world persecuted as well, Khazaria was the one place in the medieval world where the Jews actually were their own masters.... To the oppressed Jews of the world, the Khazars were a source of pride and hope, for their existence seemed to prove that God had not completely abandoned His people."
- Raymond Scheindlin, in The Chronicles of the Jewish People (1996)



The shock horror lol


Cities. The first Khazar capital was Balanjar, which is identified with the archaeological site Verkhneye Chir-Yurt. During the 720s, the Khazars transferred their capital to Samandar, a coastal town in the north Caucasus noted for its beautiful gardens and vineyards. In 750, the capital was moved to the city of Itil (Atil) on the edge of the Volga River. In fact, the name "Itil" also designated the Volga River in the medieval age. Itil would remain the Khazar capital for at least another 200 years. Itil, the administrative center of the Khazar kingdom, was located adjacent to Khazaran, a major trading center. In the early 10th century, Khazaran-Itil's population was composed mostly of Muslims and Jews, but a few Christians lived there also. The capital city had many mosques. The king's palace was located on an island nearby, which was surrounded by a brick wall. The Khazars stayed in their capital during the winter, but they lived in the surrounding steppe in the spring and summer to cultivate their crops.

The city of Kiev is thanks to the Civilised Turks Kiev is a Turkic place name (Küi = riverbank + ev = settlement).

http://www.khazaria.com/

Check this

In the capital city, the Khazars established a supreme court composed of 7 members, and every major religion (Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and Slavic paganism) was represented on this judicial panel. The Khazars thus sponsored religious tolerance in a time when surrounding countries persecuted those who refused to follow the faith of the rulers.


Put the Byzantiums to shame man , while Jews were being fed to the Lions, Muslims slaughtered, before adoption of Christianity, Christians had to live underground.

But in the Turks State all were equal, HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE MAN.


At a United Nations (UN) seminar, the tolerance that Ottomans showed to people of different religions was held up as an example to be adapted even today. The Ottoman social model in which different religion and nations lived under the same roof for hundreds of years was explained by Iranian philosopher Professor Seyyid Huseyin Nasr who addressed the seminar titled "Confronting Islamophobia: Education for Tolerance and Understanding." Nasr said, "There is no 1942 in the Islamic world nor is there an Auscwitz." During World War II, nearly 15,000 Jews were killed by Nazis at Auschwitz, but Jews from Spain escaped the inquisition and were sheltered by Ottomans. They lived with Muslims in peace for years. Nasr pointed this out saying, "European Christians and Jews escaping tyranny were not treated differently in the Ottoman model. "



http://www.zaman.org/?bl=international&alt=&hn=14589

Here's somthing very painfull

The Patriarch was accountable to the Sultan for the Greeks' good behavior, and in exchange he was given wide powers over the Greek community. The Patriarch controlled the courts and the schools, as well as the Church, throughout the Greek communities of the empire. This made Orthodox priests the effective rulers of the Greek village. Some Greek towns, such as Athens and Rhodes, retained municipal self-government, while others were put under Ottoman governors. Some areas, such as the Mani Peninsula in the Peloponnese, along with the Sphakiots of Crete, and the Souliotes (or Souli) of Epirus, remained virtually independent. For their part, the Patriarchs regarded the tolerant rule of the Ottomans as preferable to rule by the Roman Catholic Venetians, who threatened the Orthodox faith in a way the Ottomans did not. When the Ottomans fought the Venetians, the Greeks mostly sided with the Ottomans. The Greek Orthodox Church helped the Greeks from all parts of Greece to preserve their ethnic, cultural, linguistic, and racial heritage; this was mainly possible because the Ottomans did not interfere in this process.


http://www.answers.com/topic/ottoman-greece


Phillip Mansel - City of the World's Desire

Multinationalism became the essence of Constantinople. A common literary device of Ottoman writers would be to compare the merits and looks of the many nationalities in the empire and its capital. In the fifteenth century national differences, based on history and geography more than race, could be acutely felt: Gennadios, first Oecumenical Patriarch under the Ottomans, called Greeks `a race than which there has been none finer on earth'. A medieval Polish proverb stated: `As long as the world is the world, the Pole will not be the German's brother.' Mustafa Ali, a prominent sixteenth-century historian, extolled as a source of strength the number of nationalities in the empire Turks, Greeks, Franks, Kurds, Serbs, Arabs, Persians, Cerkez and others. In the nineteenth century a minister of the Sultan, Cevdet Pasha, called the Ottoman Empire a great society `because its people spoke many languages and because it selected the best talents, customs and manners from among its various nations'. The variety of nationalities in Constantinople was proudly advertised in drawings, photographs and the composition of the Sultan's bodyguard; in the twentieth, in political processions and the deputation sent to depose a Sultan.


Twenty-four years after the conquest, in 1477, a census was taken by the city judge of Constantinople, for the personal information of the Sultan. There were, in Constantinople and Galata: 12,486 houses inhabited by Muslims; 1,743 houses inhabited by Greeks; 1,647 houses inhabited by Jews; 434 houses inhabited by Armenians; 384 houses inhabited by Karamanians of Armenian appearance; 332 houses inhabited by Franks (all in Galata); 267 houses inhabited by Christians from the Crimea, and 31 houses inhabited by gypsies. In all there were perhaps 80,000 inhabitants (excluding the slaves of the Gate). Constantinople was a city which defied nationalism, in whose streets Greek, Armenian, Italian, Lingua Franca, Albanian, Bulgarian and Serbian, Turkish, Persian and Arabic, were spoken.

The only multinational capital in Europe


WoW,

Do you want an in-depth description of the Millet system, of how the Turks founed your Greek Patriarch.

Do you wish to discover about other Turkish Dynasties and Empires, like the Great Selcuks and their Turkish humanism - Yunus Emre-Rumi-Bektashi.

Or about the Uygurs? or AkKoyunlu/KaraKoyunlu, or Babur (Mughal) Empire, or flourishing civilisations of Turkestan.

Oh and about Cyprus

The Ottoman Empire under the leadership of Sultan Selim I (1512-20) conquered the Mameluk Empire centered in Egypt in early 1571. At this time, although Cyprus was occupied and governed by Venetian lords, they paid an annual tribute to the Mameluk Sultan in recognition of his suzerainty. Following the Ottoman victory in Egypt, the Venetians paid their annual tribute directly to the Sultan in Istanbul.


www.cypnet.co.uk/ ncyprus/people/cypturks/

Mamlukes were Turks, therefore my friends you were just SLAVES of the Venetians, who kept the Island by making GREEKS WORK while robbing their money and paying it to their Turkish Masters :P


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The liberation of Cyprus

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Arap Ahmed Camii

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The beautiful Abolutions building, Islam teaches the importance of cleansiness.

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CanBulat Tomb and Museum

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Dervis Pasha Mansion

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The owner of this two storey mansion built in the 19th century was Dervish Pasha, the publisher of "Zaman" – the first Turkish newspaper in Cyprus. The mansion is in the Arap Ahmet region of Nicosia: this is the region of the walled city which has preserved the fabric of the historical environment most intensely. The mansion has two entrances. On the main entrance, the year 1219 of the Muslim Calendar (1807) is visible.

"Zaman" newspaper is today one of the most respected and read newspapers in the Turkic world, especially Turkey, Turkish Cyprus, Bulgaria, Azerbaycan, Kirgizistan, Turkmenistan.........

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Kervansaray

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Buyuk Han

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Hz. Omer Tomb

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Kerkitli Baths

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Iplik Pazari and Mosque

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Mevlana Tekke

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Namik Kemal, famous writter

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Sariyonu Mosque

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Sultan Mahmut Library

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Turunclu Mosque

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Orta Mosque

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Piri Osman Pasa Mosque

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Ottoman Houses and Villas

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:P

Remember what it used to write in Greek times Enosis

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Turkish Pazars somthing all Greek Cypriots can thank us for :P


Well, I could go on but goto go somewhere so you can wait in agony untill I return :wink:

Damn I've never met such a bunch of racist Biggots before, I'd rather Turkish Cyprus united with Britain then such hatefilled people lilke Micheal and Pirastic.

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