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Postby Michael » Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:52 am

...When they needed a man to encourage the van,
Or to harass the foe from the rear,
Or to storm a redoubt, they had only to shout
For Abdul Abulbul Amir.
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Postby bg_turk » Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:12 am

Piratis wrote:The truth today is that Turkey is illegally occupying part of the independent and sovereign Republic of Cyprus.

The truth today is that Turkish Cypriots do not wish to reside in a Greek dominated state.
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Postby Lala_Mustafa_Pasha » Sat Feb 18, 2006 4:18 am

So now you admire the Venetians and Crusaders more than the Turks hahaha, your a real sell out, you do realise they are the true opressors of your people, they always sold you out and looked down upon you, the only ones who treated you with some dignity and respect were Turks, this is what you hate.

As Bg_Turk said, we have no dreams of being ruled by Greeks, Turkish Cyprus is the future, cry and whine all you like, unless your gonna launch an invasion and occupy our nation nothing is gonna change.
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Postby Piratis » Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:14 pm

So now you admire the Venetians and Crusaders more than the Turks


I don't admire neither the Venetians (for their rule of Cyprus) nor the Crusaders and the Turks.

The difference between the Turks and the others is that today it is the Turks that insist on the illegal occupation of my country.

Do you see me having any problem with the Egyptians, the Persians etc? In fact is that Cyprus has very good relationship with these countries because anything that happened belongs to the distant past and the peace between us has erased any problems we had with them before.

On the other hand the turks insist today, as we speak, to continue their war against us, occupying part of our country and violating our human and legal rights.

The truth today is that Turkish Cypriots do not wish to reside in a Greek dominated state.

Cyprus has 82% Greek Cypriots. If Greek Cypriots being the majority is what you mean by "Greek dominated" then this is the way it is.

Greek Cypriots have accepted that the Turkish Cypriot minority can have more power than any other minority in the world. So if other minorities in the world are not "dominated" then definitely the TCs who are given even more power will not be dominated either.

Beyond that, anybody can have any wish he wants. But nobody has the right to violate the human and legal rights of others in order to materialize his wish. Therefore if TCs do not want to live in a state were Greek Cypriots are the majority, the only legal way to materialize their wish is to leave from Cyprus.
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Postby Eric dayi » Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:33 pm

Piratis wrote:Beyond that, anybody can have any wish he wants.


Ok, very genoerous of you, thanks for that, I'll have partition.


Therefore if TCs do not want to live in a state were Greek Cypriots are the majority, the only legal way to materialize their wish is to leave from Cyprus.


What else did you get for Christmas from your moma apart from that dream?

Your dream has two chances of becoming a reality:

1) No chance.

2) A chance in hell.
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Postby Eric dayi » Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:44 pm

Lala_Mustafa_Pasha wrote:So now you admire the Venetians and Crusaders more than the Turks hahaha, your a real sell out, you do realise they are the true opressors of your people, they always sold you out and looked down upon you, the only ones who treated you with some dignity and respect were Turks, this is what you hate.

As Bg_Turk said, we have no dreams of being ruled by Greeks, Turkish Cyprus is the future, cry and whine all you like, unless your gonna launch an invasion and occupy our nation nothing is gonna change.


Lal_Mustafa_Pasha, I am very impressed by your knowledge. :D

You are also the living proof of what I and other TC's have been saying that a load of TC's who voted yes to the Annan Plan have changed their minds because they have realised the true intentions of the Greek Cypriots towards us TC's. More and more are realising this also and are changing their minds and joining us. Our victory and the recognition of the TRNC is not very far away and we will be the winners in the end.
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Postby Lala_Mustafa_Pasha » Sat Feb 18, 2006 6:00 pm

Dayi Bey, not only I but my entire family and close families SHAMEFULLY like IDIOTS voted YES, however, never again, the key is education the more a Turkish Cypriot learns the history and identity of their people the more they will realise, for a Greek being Cypriot = being Greek and obeying to Greek terms.

It wasnt us who chucked the ANNAN PLan down the drain it was the Greeks, we were open to comprimise sadly Greek Cypriots werent. The Greek Cypriots couldnt even deal with a FEW basic human rights requirements for the Turkish Cypriots of the island to be equals and have their rights :roll:

If you want someone to blame GO TAKE A GOOD LOOK IN THE MIRROR.

You screwed up and now the Turkish Cypriot position is a 100% better one than before the Refereandum, hey thanks :wink:
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Postby Piratis » Sun Feb 19, 2006 2:28 pm

Ok, very genoerous of you, thanks for that, I'll have partition.



You have absolutely no right for partition because you have no right to violate the human rights of others, the Greek Cypriot majority that you ethnically cleansed from the northern part of our country to create your pseudo state.

You can have partition only in the form of an unrecognized pseudo state and even that will not last for long.

You are also the living proof of what I and other TC's have been saying that a load of TC's who voted yes to the Annan Plan have changed their minds because they have realised the true intentions of the Greek Cypriots towards us TC's.

Our true intentions are:

1) The respect of the 100% of the TCs human, legal and democratic rights
2) That we accepted for the Turkish Cypriot minority to have a lot more power than any other minority in the world has, as long as our human and democratic rights are not violated.
3) That we accept that the TCs can have their own federal state, with the same powers that federal states have in other countries (e.g. USA)

Our true intentions are not:

1) That we will accept for the 18% of TCs to have 50% power
2) That we will accept for the 18% of TCs to have 29%+ of the land
3) That we will accept violations of our human and democratic rights in order to satisfy the outrageous demands of the TCs.
4) That we will accept a loose confederation or a disguised partition (e.g. Annan plan) just to close the Cyprus problem.

If you thought that our "true intentions" were the second group, and that we would accept a disguised partition, then it is good that you woke up.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Feb 19, 2006 6:01 pm

Eric dayi wrote:
Lala_Mustafa_Pasha wrote:So now you admire the Venetians and Crusaders more than the Turks hahaha, your a real sell out, you do realise they are the true opressors of your people, they always sold you out and looked down upon you, the only ones who treated you with some dignity and respect were Turks, this is what you hate.

As Bg_Turk said, we have no dreams of being ruled by Greeks, Turkish Cyprus is the future, cry and whine all you like, unless your gonna launch an invasion and occupy our nation nothing is gonna change.


Lal_Mustafa_Pasha, I am very impressed by your knowledge. :D

You are also the living proof of what I and other TC's have been saying that a load of TC's who voted yes to the Annan Plan have changed their minds because they have realised the true intentions of the Greek Cypriots towards us TC's. More and more are realising this also and are changing their minds and joining us. Our victory and the recognition of the TRNC is not very far away and we will be the winners in the end.


I agree with you Eric, unfortunately I to (and most of my family) voted YES but have learned my lesson the hard way and thank the GCs for voting OXI as it gave me time to reconsider that noway can we compromise with GCs as their goals are to dominate our community and ensure we are just any other minority in a GC state, we are better off the way we are until the world sees exactly GC politics against TCs, Tassos is doing a fine job and at this rate it will not be long before recognition will be the only real solution to the Cyprus issue.
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Postby kalamaras74 » Sun Feb 19, 2006 9:26 pm

It wasnt us who chucked the ANNAN PLan down the drain it was the Greeks, we were open to comprimise sadly Greek Cypriots werent. The Greek Cypriots couldnt even deal with a FEW basic human rights requirements for the Turkish Cypriots of the island to be equals and have their rights



This is not the general consenus about the reasons for the rejection of the Annan Plan on the Greek side. Lala, you are taking the objections of the Greek Cypriots and using them to confirm your worldview that they all hate you.

Greek Cypriots rejected the plan because of valid practical concerns: Turkish troops, right of return, settlers. To say that they voted it down because they do not wish to let Turkish Cypriots to have basic human rights is an assertion that you simply cannot prove. You can post as many quotes from village priests as you like. You seem to be echoing the same type of drivel as the Papades, only the Turkish variety. All Greek Cypriots do not deserve to be maligned in this way.

You could argue that the Turks don't want Greeks to have basic human rights to their properties or proportionate representation in the Parliament by voting yes to the plan. A double edged sword. Your argument is based on the assumption that the Annan Plan was entirely fair as is and it was not.
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