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[joe]

You mention this link http://www.pupress.princeton.edu/titles/4547.html from Eugene N. Borza

Well have a look at what he says BG Turk below- see how easily your propaganda has beeen answered?

Taken From: "IN THE SHADOW OF OLYMPUS
THE EMERGENCE OF MACEDON"
Written By Eugene N. Borza

"The reconstruction that follows is tentative in the extreme,
and the reader is cautioned to be wary. Since the
archaeological record is scanty, this account of early
Macedonian history is based on the most sceptical analysis
of literary traditions. We have seen that the "Makedones"
or "Highlanders" of mountainous western Macedonia may
have been derived from Northwest Greek stock. That is,
Northwest Greece provided a pool of Indo-European
speakers of proto-Greek from which emerged the tribes
who were later known by different names as they
established their regional identities in separate parts of
the country. Thus the Macedonians may have been
related to those peoples who at an earlier time migrated
south to become the historical Dorians, and to other
Pindus tribes who were the ancestors of the Epirotes
or Molossians.

[joe]

Pasha, why shouldn’t i answer BG Turks propaganda? He can post but i cant reply to them? That doesnt make me a nationalist, i just didnt appreciate that he used this forum to spread his agenda. I am not posting links here on Kurds, Armenians or what have you. Yet BG Turks propaganda can be easily answered so why shouldnt i? Maybe its better that i dont reply to him but that wont stop him from flooding this site. I think he may be a bit angry that i didnt ignore him and allow him to post without saying anything.

[bg_turk]

I posted Bulgarian links since your from Bulgaria. Have a read maybe you will learn something or then maybe not. btw

I know the Bulgarian position on Macedonia very well. Bulgaria claims that Slavs of Macedonia are actually Bulgarians and bases this claim on the linguistic similarity between the two languages. Bulgarians feel very strongly about Aegean Macedonia and the eradication of its bulgaroslavic population.

If you want me to give you sources about the ethnic cleanisng comitted by the greeks in Macedonia, I will gladly do it in the hope that you might learn something about this bloody episode of your history.

Can you tell me what academic credentials does John Shea have?

I have no idea. Is it because you found the sources at Princeton and Harvard University I gave you unsatisfactory, that you chose instead to focus on the academic credentials of John Shea? If you cant defeat them discredit them, is the way you go?

I answered you on Demosthenes.

You did not answer anything, you just gave a link that spewed some greek propaganda.

Cant erase history, all artifacts you find on Macedonia are Greek, have you been reading the international press lately? That must disgust you a great deal. Its been fun!

I am not disgusted at all in fact I welcome the new discovery. I am sure it will shed new light into that part of history.
I am not worried about anyting, there is a good deal of credible and indepdent historians who are doing a good job of revelaing the truth about Ancient Macedonians. The ones that need to be worried is you, what will you do after all your lies about Macedonia come to the surface?

[bg_turk]

joe, I would appreciate if you can provide links to where you copy-paste the material from if you expect me to be able to answer.

In the link I gave you Borza clearly states that:

In tracing the emergence of the Macedonian kingdom from its origins as a Balkan backwater to a major European and Asian power, Eugene Borza offers to specialists and lay readers alike a revealing account of a relatively unexplored segment of ancient history. He draws from recent archaeological discoveries and an enhanced understanding of historical geography to form a narrative that provides a material-culture setting for political events. Examining the dynamics of Macedonian relations with the Greek city-states, he suggests that the Macedonians, although they gradually incorporated aspects of Greek culture into their own society, maintained a distinct ethnicity as a Balkan people.

Macedonians may have incoroprated parts of Greek culture but they were clearly a distinct ethnic group according to Borza.

[joe]

Bulgaria claims that Slavs of Macedonia are actually Bulgarians--bg turk

Thats right BG Turk, thats why i supplied those links yet you probably claim that there ancestors were ancient Makedons. I dont really care that you would think that, what i am curious though is why would you be posting this in a Cypriot forum? Every link you have on the wars of the balkans and the population exchanges-what makes you think anyone here would be interested in it? and what makes you think anyone cant answer your propaganda? Yes, i did reply on Demosthenes by supplying a link, you thin i care that you say is propaganda. Your country men dont think so, as you stated-they think Skopians are Bulgarians which is what they are.

[bg_turk]

Pasha, why shouldn’t i answer BG Turks propaganda? He can post but i cant reply to them? That doesnt make me a nationalist, i just didnt appreciate that he used this forum to spread his agenda. I am not posting links here on Kurds, Armenians or what have you. Yet BG Turks propaganda can be easily answered so why shouldnt i? Maybe its better that i dont reply to him but that wont stop him from flooding this site. I think he may be a bit angry that i didnt ignore him and allow him to post without saying anything.

Joe, while you so condescendingly refer to other peoples opinons as propaganda, you fail to appreciate that it is your biased and slanted Greek sources that are the real source of propaganda.

I have never intended to use this forum to spread any propaganda, but only what I believe is the truth. Probably you got upset because i posted some disturbing images in a thread entitled Turkish massacres, which was pumped up with antiturkish posts. I never saw you or anybody else complain about that being extreme.

It is becaus of this strong anti-turkish bias that I felt the need to add images of the autrocities comitted by Greeks as well. If you had read my posts more carefully you would have actually noted that I acnowldged Turkish crimes such as those cimitted against the Armenians and those comitted against the Greeks in Izmir and Istanbul. It is you who is in compete denial and is complete failing to apprecaite anything that does not conform with your own views.

I suppose you are determined to live in the rosy world of Greek lies and distortions, and I have no doubt that you will always dismiss any attempt to reintroduce you to reality as propaganda.

[joe]

joe, I would appreciate if you can provide links to where you copy-paste the material from if you expect me to be able to answer. --bg turk

i thought i did, Taken From: "IN THE SHADOW OF OLYMPUS
THE EMERGENCE OF MACEDON"
Written By Eugene N. Borza

[bg_turk]

Yes, i did reply on Demosthenes by supplying a link,

a link to a greek propaganda site

you thin i care that you say is propaganda.

the very fact that it is greek means that it is biased to say the least.

Your country men dont think so, as you stated-they think Skopians are Bulgarians which is what they are.

Turkish Cypriots have nothing to do with ancient Cyprus either, but nonetheless they are Cypriots, so are Bulgarian Macedonians, Slavic Macedonians (which you arrogantly dismiss as Skopians), Turkish Macedonians and Greek Macedonians. All of those people were intermixed and lived together in Macedonia, before Greece decided to invade and take 51% of that land.

[joe]

"Joe, while you so condescendingly refer to other peoples opinons as propaganda, you fail to appreciate that it is your biased and slanted Greek sources that are the real source of propaganda.

I have never intended to use this forum to spread any propaganda, but only what I believe is the truth."--bg turk

That is exactly the problem, why in this forum? and who elected you? Looks like i am repeating my self because you feel like having the last word, fine have at it and again, what makes you think i care if you think what i am posting is propaganda? I just wanted to show that the links you supplied can be easily answered.

[bg_turk]

i thought i did, Taken From: "IN THE SHADOW OF OLYMPUS
THE EMERGENCE OF MACEDON"
Written By Eugene N. Borza

Which page is it exactly? I havent read the book, but I know the author well and for sure that does not regard Macedonians as Greeks, while your briefe quote seems to imply that he regards them as protogreeks .

Here is a link to the book on the amazon webpage:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/custom ... 55&s=books