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No point trying to preach the truth to people like Turkcyp1. Let them carry on living in dream world..and if another war arises so be it.

[Lala_Mustafa_Pasha]

I saw someone write this

The Turks/Ottoman empire DID enslave the Greek Cypriots - FACT!. Plus the Greek Orthodox religion had to be practised in secret.

And couldn't laughing at this hilarious comment

Is this actually what you Greeks are taught lol.

1. Your Baba's were enslaved by Crusader Armies and it was the Venetians who were CATHOLICS who banned your HERETIK FAITH as they called it, cos they hated non-Catholics common guys jeeez this is basic sectarian stuff.

2. Your Baba's welcomned the Turks with ROSES lol

3. We let your Roum Baba Papaz Priest to have full power over the Christians of the Island, he just loved it, he had the most power he had ever had EVER all thanks to the Turks.

If we had Enslaved you and banned your faith, there wouldn't be a SINGLE GREEK on Cyprus today it would by 100% Turk and Muslim, sorry to shatter your false ideologies of HATE against the brave and tolerant Turks

Oh and when we let the Greeks have a go, it just lasted 20 years, they are incapable of being civilised rulers, in total contrast to Turkish rule, they went around destroying Mosques, razing village comitted Genocide against Innocent Turkish Cyp villagers, enforced Racist ideologies only cared about Greeks and wanted Turks wiped off the Island

So you had your chance and it turned into a tyranical wave of terror.

Its simple, you cannot bare to live with us,

We have TRNC KKTC thats the way its gonna stay, I cant wait for your Papaplonkos to show the world what Greeks think about Turks and am really looking forward to his Hate speaches and the Greek Cypriot Chuch giving more lectures on how living with a Turk is like going to HELL.

The worlds gonna be exposed to that ugly hidden face under that mask very soon

[TurkCyp1]

Greek propoganda!

Your parents are the biggest liars in the world! SERIOUS!

Along with your teachers and your preists! If all your priests loved the THE BLOOD THIRSTY TYRANT named Makarios III, Allah only knows what else youve been preached.

AND BEFORE YOU START MAKING UP EXCUSES AGAIN, ANSWER PASHA's QUESTION AND TELL US WHY THERE IS STILL SO MANY GREEK CYPRIOTS OUTNUMBERING TURKISH CYPRIOTS IN CYPRUS DURING THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE WHERE WE ENSLAVED YOU AND DONE OTHER BAD THINGS TO YOU??

And as for the TMT freedom fighters, true HEROS. Unlike your bloodthirsty EOKA terrorists you call heros. TMT would never have come about if EOKA hadnt began.

[cypezokyli]

i ll put my short views on that :

the ottoman empire :
ofcource it was oppresive. you cannot have anempire without being one. they were ruthless at times, and they practised some really inhuman acts - the famous blood tax , which as far as i know was not practised in cyprus.

besides that unlike other empires, it did not force its language - even though people had to learn turkish out of necessity. it also granded the right of everyone having its own religion - despite the fact that it was far more convinient to be a muslim. it was not that brutal in cyprus, since we didnot have repeated revolutions and vise-versa - unlike other regions (who knows why ? ). close to its the end it got so corrupt, so at times ethnik group could avoid punishment (massacres ) just by paying a turkish commander - thats why we also use the beautiful word of rousfet

for EOKA: there are some people who fought and died against the english. these are heroes. and not surprisingly the names of these guys, who indeed had some ideals, are usually not connected with killing of either gc communist, or tcs. i disagree with the eoka leadership, a number of their targets, and half of their targets. once again, if i lived at that time, i dont know how people could have thought otherwise.
TMT : is responsible for the death of tcs leftists, and gcs. they, together with some eoka members are responsible for massacres, and the division of this island

[Piratis]

Greek propoganda!

Here is from the USA made Country Studies:

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted. Word of the massacre spread, and a few days later Mustafa took Kyrenia without having to fire a shot. Famagusta, however, resisted and put up a heroic defense that lasted from September 1570 until August 1571.

If we had Enslaved you and banned your faith, there wouldn't be a SINGLE GREEK on Cyprus today it would by 100% Turk and Muslim, sorry to shatter your false ideologies of HATE against the brave and tolerant Turks

In Cyprus we are Greeks since 1500BC. Even you said that "Crusader Armies" enslaved us. The same happened with most rulers before them and the Ottomans as well. The fact that we remained Greek is because people can resist and keep their faith. Not all of course, thats why Turkish Cypriots exist today.

The Ottomans were indeed using the Orthodox priests as part of their ruling system and they allowed christianity. But Greek Cypriots (Chistians in general) were slaves that had to pay multiple times more taxes than the muslims and they were massacred any time they tried to revolt against their oppressors.

Oh and when we let the Greeks have a go, it just lasted 20 years, they are incapable of being civilised rulers, in total contrast to Turkish rule, they went around destroying Mosques, razing village comitted Genocide against Innocent Turkish Cyp villagers, enforced Racist ideologies only cared about Greeks and wanted Turks wiped off the Island

You are just lying out of your ass now. What massacres are you talking about? There was a conflict between the communities and an equal amount of TCs and GCs (some 100s) had died during a period of more than a decade.

The massacres were done by the Turks, who were killing Cypriots by the thousands within days. They did this when the ruled Cyprus (examples shown above) and they did it again in 1974 with their invasion that killed 6000 people and ethnically cleansed 200.000 within days.

[Lala_Mustafa_Pasha]

CYPEZOKYLI
besides that unlike other empires, it did not force its language - even though people had to learn turkish out of necessity. it also granded the right of everyone having its own religion - despite the fact that it was far more convinient to be a muslim. it was not that brutal in cyprus, since we didnot have repeated revolutions and vise-versa - unlike other regions (who knows why ? ). close to its the end it got so corrupt, so at times ethnik group could avoid punishment (massacres ) just by paying a turkish commander - thats why we also use the beautiful word of rousfet

WoW, theres hope yet, it seems there are some who dont listen to bias of either side and go for the objective, through the middle, realistic approach, thanks

When looking at the Ottomans, a great thing to do is look at the other Empire of the time ie Brittish - French - Spanish and make a comparison, you may be shocked by the findings and discover life wasnt as bad as you make out with Ottomans.

Ottomans was not perfect, like all Empires they made some mistakes, however, when it comes to Justice-Adalet, Law, Order and Respect of Religions and Nations it did quite well.

Did you know, that it was infact Greek Cypriots who ruled the Greeks and you applied to Greek Cypriot Law for any religous affairs and Ottoman general laws for Secular affairs.

You had Greek courts and your own judges and the Muslims were not allowed to interfear with this.

[fideld]

Ottomans was not perfect, like all Empires they made some mistakes, however, when it comes to Justice-Adalet, Law, Order and Respect of Religions and Nations it did quite well.

Yes, just have a look at our churches in the occupied part...some of htem are cafes, some are destroyed completely and all of them raided. On the free part of our country, all your "minare" are in perfect shape and even some of them operating....hello??? are you awake???

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Yes, so nice living under Turkish Ottoman opression that they stole our children to turn them into whores or soldiers....FACT!

I cant be bothered to waste more energy preaching what is regarded as the truth by many unbiased historians. People like you are willingly blind because you have been brainwashed to do so by your murderous. womanising, alcoholic 'father' Ataturk.

If the majority of Turks or so ignorant and moronic as you, I would gladly hope there is another war so we can get back what's rightfully ours.

[Lala_Mustafa_Pasha]

I wonder, if we had took the European Route, destroyed all your religion and in the name of CIVILISING, banned your language, forced you to learn Turkish, erase the name GREEK out of the history books and assimilated you into Turks, would there be this problem today

I mean the Brittish, French, Spanish all did this succesfully, I never hear people crying about their crimes.

But when it comes to Ottomans OOOOOOOh Boooooh Hooooooo its so awfull, yeah right, you people really need help and need to appreciate the value of the Ottomans alot more.

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lol...you want us to be greatful for hundreds of years of oppression?

The difference between these nations and Turkey is that most civilised people from these nations condem the actions of the British and French Empires...or the slavery of Africans by the Spanish. Because most Turks have been brought up to be ultra nationalistic, you will never hear a Turk admit to the barbarity of the Ottoman Empire.

I can say, like MANY Greek Cypriots on this website that factions like EOKA B were criminals. I can even admit to having doubts about Alexander the Greats ethics within his acheivements...but you HARDLY EVER see a Turk genuinely admit to crimes by there ancestors. Infact, I deep down, most Turks admit they dont know the truth because they have been lied to by their state for so many years. You dont know what to think...hence the same old total bullshit "Who started the Cyprus problem...Grivas, Sampson, Makrios". You spurt out the same old load of bollocks because you really have nothing intelligent to say.