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[Lala_Mustafa_Pasha]

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We have our own little Hitler on the forum Micheal, your racism is really shocking, I never knew they still existed, this total ignorance you have is actually amusing.

1. What have Mongols done to you? you get a hiding by a Mongol or somthing, you seem to really hate them lol

Joe
Alexanders own mouth

And I guess you had a tape-recorder to record this right?

So how can you make the audacious claim that you knew what a Man thousands of years ago said, word for word, its really ridiculous and if you believe this is quite worrying to say the least.

I dont understand the problem, why are you so desperate to make Alexander the Macedonian a GREEK? Jeeez move on, find another hero, you lost Alex ages ago, theres no point BEING IN DENIAL

How do you qualify to live in the UK if you are Turkish and Bulgarian? Still a very confusing combination? I hope that little Union Jack makes you happy.

I know, its way too much for your little brain to deal with but its actually really easy to get, there are 1 million Turks in Bulgaria, making them Turks from the Geographical location of Bulgaria, if one was to move to Britain and receieve Brittish Citizenship, they are Brittish by right my friend while still being a Turk. I am a Brittish Citizen, as a Turkish Cypriot, I'll repay Britain by educating them about Turks and boosting our reputation, respect and others knowledge of our fantastic culture, beautiful language and legendary legacy.

Micheal
You are a Bulgarian from Turkey with a Union Jack!

THE SHOCK HORRO

How pathetic, so now you hate Mongols and Britts, we know of your pathological hatred of Turks, damn Micheal hates us all

Micheal
Mr Big Turk, nothing worse than a bigoted amateur historian. You haven’t produced a single iota of verifiable fact.

Amateur Historian? Verifiable Facts? your lost man, Bg_Turk has posted countless documents of Proffessors, people with P.h.d in History, historians, researchers etc etc etc

Bg_Turk has been posting Objective facts of experts in these fields, the problem is Micheal, your attacking Bg_Turk for EXPOSING this material and your responses are all

1. Biased
2. Subjective
3. Emotionally charged and not credible

Its currently

Professors, Historians, Researchers, BBC....... Vs Micheal and Joe

Do you know how stupid you make yourself look

Oh and you've listed some Classical Composers, hey so you must like Mozart, listen to his Turkish March, a famous Masterpiece, or his works about the Grand Turk, aswell as countless other Composers, Influenced and Mesmorised by the Turks

Hey Micheal, you go and read some, Tarkan FARRABBI, Fuzzuli, Nef-i, Yunus Emre, Bektashi, Rumi and his learned friends, Divan Literature, Nev'ai masterpieces, Babur-Name, Timur-Name, Ulug Bey..................

Then comment on the wonderfull Turkish language and literature, in Ottoman times the Europeans would try their absolute hardest to learn Turkce to impress the nobility of their age check how many Turkish words are in Greek, Macedonian, Albanian, Pollish, Hungarian, Serbian, even in English theres so many that I was shocked

Micheal
why is it the rest of the world thinks that Turkish or Turkey culture is worthless

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Great Britain obviously doesnt,

Turks: A Journey of a Thousand Years, 600-1600, is the most spectacular exhibition of world art in London since... well, since the Royal Academy's Aztecs three years ago. It is beautiful, curious and hedonist as well as serious. This civilisation couldn't have been more completely brought to life in Piccadilly without reassembling a mosque in the courtyard of Burlington House. And they've come close: the show ends with the jewelled doors from a pavilion built by Sinan, the Ottoman Michelangelo.

But it's a difficult history to comprehend. Turks laps up a millennium and a vast geographical area. It is tempting to throw away the audioguide, ignore the labels, decide not to worry who the Seljuks were, and enjoy it all as a magic carpet ride, a djinn's bottle full of treasures, a tale of a thousand and one nights.

On that pleasurably orientalist level it works a treat. This is an exhibition that would have been relished by Henri Matisse, or any of the European artists before him who bathed in eastern design and colour. The carpets alone - including one that dates from the 13th century - are overwhelmingly perfect in their abstract repetitions. At once playful and severe, these textiles have a natural sense of structure that western artists had to discover far more self-consciously. And throughout the exhibition there are similar wonders, from Persian manuscripts to an ornate wooden coffin. But after taking it in as sheer spectacle, you want to join the dots somehow, and make sense of this dazzling history.

Through the most sumptuous objects, Turks relates the story of how a warrior people migrated eventually from China to the Balkans. The Turcoman or Turkic tribes were nomads who originated in Asia; over the thousand years that the exhibition illuminates they moved to Iran, to eastern Anatolia and to western Anatolia, becoming Muslims on the way. What changed everything for these scattered warriors in the late middle ages was the idea of holy war. Uniting to attack the crumbling remnant of eastern Byzantine Christianity, they discovered a genius for statecraft. With its disciplined bureaucracy and standing army the Ottoman empire awed its victims, and even seduced them - Christian peasants often refused to fight against the Islamic conquerors because they knew they would be better treated under Ottoman rule.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts

They even DEDICATED there most prestigous Arts and Culture centre, the Royal Acedamy for 4 MONTHS, just to show 1000 years of great Turkish culture, history and arts.

WHATS GOING ON MICHEAL lol

http://www.royalacademy.org.uk/files/tu ... ide.v4.pdf

Check it out, you should wait till its shown again, you could really do with a dosage of the real Turks hehe.

Micheal, if you really hate Turks so much, stop drinking Turkish Coffe, stop drinking Turkich Chay, stop drinking Ayran, stop going to Turkish Hamams, stop having Turkish Kilims in your homes, erase all Turkish words from your language, destroy all Turkish influences on your music, ban the Bouziki, stop eating Dolma's, Kebabs, Baklava etc, stop using Turkish Ceramics and tiles, stop using Nazaz Boncuks, stop smoking Nargile etc etc etc etc

Face it, your culturally Turkic, the only difference is you speak Greek and are Christian, if today Greece adopted Turkish as its language and adopted Islam it would join Turkey with no problems.

I think this is what you hate and your really bitter and jelous as a result.

[joe]

Hey there Mike, its obvious isn’t it? I will mention about classicist and he replies well I just talked to one. I mention the Amercican government is telling Skopia to re-examine its teachings for accuracy and he flips it and says its Hellens being fed propaganda from their schooling. I mention Alexander’s own words and he flips it. Welcome to propaganda 101 by bg Turk. His credibility is done and dusted.

[joe]

Joe
Alexanders own mouth


And I guess you had a tape-recorder to record this right?

So how can you make the audacious claim--Lala

Visit a museum. What a character.

[Piratis]

Lala, what are you trying to convince us? That Turks made some achievements? Everybody did some achievements. Even Cypriots, people of a tiny island that have been slaves for most of their history have many achievements. Nobody said that Turks did absolutely nothing.

Here is what Encyclopedia Britanica (one of the most reputable Encyclopedias in the world) says about Greeks.

ancient Greek civilization: the period following Mycenaean civilization, which ended in about 1200 BC, to the death of Alexander the Great, in 323 BC. It was a period of political, philosophical, artistic, and scientific achievements that formed a legacy with unparalleled influence on Western civilization.

Then I search in this encyclopedia for "Turkish Civilization" and I find nothing.

So what are you trying to prove?

1)That turks had some achievements as well
2)That "Turkish civilization" is a great civilization of the world
3)That the "Turkish civilization" is greater than the Greek civilization

If it is (1) then OK. Nobody said the opposite. What I said is that Turks are not renowned for their arts and literature (although they had a bit) but for being great butchers and for creating an empire by stealing the land of others.

If you claim (1) or (2) then you understand that such claims can only be a joke.

[bg_turk]

Hey there Mike, its obvious isn’t it? I will mention about classicist and he replies well I just talked to one. I mention the Amercican government is telling Skopia to re-examine its teachings for accuracy and he flips it and says its Hellens being fed propaganda from their schooling. I mention Alexander’s own words and he flips it. Welcome to propaganda 101 by bg Turk. His credibility is done and dusted.

joe,

I did indeed speak to a classics student, and she is familiar with Ancient Greece and Alexander the Great. Anyway I will not repeat what she said, that is of course her pesonal opinion, but her opinoin matters to me more than yours definitely.
Anyway. Concerning the propaganda of the Republic of Macedonia, yes, it will have to rexamine its perspective on its history and become more balanced. But Greece will have to do the same as well.

Anyway for those who choose to be blinded by their nationalism there is no cure. I have nothing else to say to you. Believe in your fairy tales, ignorance is a bliss.

In any case look around yourself. A majority of UN member states recognize the country as the "Republic of Macedonia", including three of the UN Security Council's five permanent members – the United States, Russia, and the People's Republic of China, as well as all neigbouring countries of the Republic of Macedonia except Greece.

[Lala_Mustafa_Pasha]

Pirastis
Nobody said that Turks did absolutely nothing.

You did, whats wrong are you backing down now? I'm just getting started, there's alot I wanna show and teach you if your willing to learn.

[Samwan]

@lala

fine, but who will believe it?

[Lala_Mustafa_Pasha]

Pirastis
What I said is that Turks are not renowned for their arts and literature

I'm giving you a few hours to edit and delete this comment or like in the other posts you will be made to look very silly indeed

Pirastis, Turkish Civilsation is one of the Great World Civilisations, Ottomans is accepted as one the greatest Civilisations on Earth, if you dont want to agree thats fine but thats just you

Here's a little taster of what is to come, this is taken from Unesco

One of Herat’s favorite sons was Mir Ali Shir Nava’i, a venerated 15th century poet, known as “the Chaucer of the Turks.” As Chaucer had done in English, Nava’i revolutionized a national literature by becoming the first outstanding writer to use the Turkish vernacular in his works. In Nava’i’s hands, Turkish, a language traditionally regarded by medieval men of letters as uncouth and plebeian, achieved recognition as a graceful medium for poetry and prose of the highest order.

Born in Herat in 1441, Nava’i added the Turkish language to the roster of the world’s major literatures. One of his best-known verses is:
Since the best of men must pass
through Death’s portal,
Happy is he who makes his name immortal.

http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ ... N=201.html

I have to go out when I return if its not changed, I will teach you about the beautiful Turkish arts and Legacy of Literature

[Piratis]

Pirastis, Turkish Civilsation is one of the Great World Civilisations, Ottomans is accepted as one the greatest Civilisations on Earth, if you dont want to agree thats fine but thats just you

Google results for

"Turkish Civilization": 669
"Ottoman Civilization": 801

"Greek Civilization": 331.000
"Mayan civilization": 361.000
"Chinese civilization": 382.000
"Egyptian civilization": 191:000
"Roman civilization": 266.000
"Indian civilization": 166.000
"Arab civilization": 47.000
"Japanese civilization": 64.000
"Russian civilization": 47.200
"French civilization": 131.000

You can see that it is not "just me" that thinks that "Turkish civilization" has nothing to do with the great civilizations of the world.

Sorry Lala, but butchering and stealing the land of others the 99% of time and being a bit creative in 1% does not qualify as a "great civilization". Get over it!

[Lala_Mustafa_Pasha]

Pirastis, maybe you dont know how to use Google

Results 1 - 10 of about 2,240,000 for turkish civilization. (0.04 seconds)



Sorry to ruin your dreams.

p.s these are articles written in English, mainly by non-Turks, seen as though we had a very negative image in the West, being Muslim and all its really amazing that still so many people take time to write about Turkish Civillization.

If you did a Search on Turkish Search Engines it would be so high you would'nt know what to do with the numbers.

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,840,000 for pakistani civilization. (0.28 seconds)

Results 1 - 10 of about 2,090,000 for persian civilization. (0.06 seconds)

Results 1 - 10 of about 3,050,000 for arab civilization. (0.09 seconds)

I mean how can you take this seriously, Arab, Pakistani, Persian civilisation doesnt recieve enouth attention in non-Arab-Farsi-Urdu sites aswell, while

Results 1 - 10 of about 4,290,000 for russian civilization. (0.33 seconds)

I mean common, so because Russian Civ got more results, Russian Civillisation is better

Results 1 - 10 of about 5,810,000 for islamic civilization. (0.21 seconds)

So Russian civilization is because of Google Results comparable to Islamic Civilisation even though alot of Russian history has been Islamic

Get real man




Results 1 - 10 of about 9,920,000 for turkish culture. (0.22 seconds)



Almost 10 million articles, why I though we had no culture


Now, Greece is Christian and a part of Europe, so logic says people of the West would initially focus more on Greeks.

However, in the East, naturally Turks are of more focus, wether it be for Pakistani's, Indians, North Africans, Arabs, Persians, Chinease, Russians etc.

Also, since when did Google Search results = Historical Fact

Jeeez this is pathetic.

I'm currently writting an essay on Turkish Literature and its role in other nations, I'll update you with some great facts my friend.

Be ready to experience.............