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SO IS KEMEL FORM MONGOLIA OR NOT?

Kemal Mustafa Ataturk was a Turkish Macedonian born in the city of Salonique.

[bungle]

A mental midget with a true understanding of Cyprus history obviously read off the back of a box of matches.

[Michael]

He may of been born in "Salonique" but he looks as Macedoninan and Bruce Lee. Why are Turkish people so ashamed their ancestry.

[twinkle]

A mental midget with a true understanding of Cyprus history obviously read off the back of a box of matches.

I take it you are refering to the bumbling fool that began this thread.

[Michael]

Yes, the run on words can go on and on. I would have have used spastic, but thats no longer acceptable apparently.

[bungle]

Yes I was.

[Lala_Mustafa_Pasha]

BirKibrisli
After all that I have said,and after all that you have said,how much do you think modern Turks resemble (genetically and culturally), say, the Oguz Turks???

We are Oguz Turks, were of Bati Turkeli, population of over 120 million, East of the Caspian Sea is Turkestan up untill Uygur/Xinjang province Western China, Turkestan population is also rougly 100/120 million.

I answer this question in full here

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... 1&start=10

Culturally and Genetically we are Oguz Turks, remember "race" does not bare much importance to us, as we had a policy of men being able to mix with foreign woman but our woman not being allowed to do this aswell as non-Turk bribes accepting Turkishness and others being absorbed into being Turks so its very likely to find different Genetic structures among our people, also depending on different areas, different Tribal routes etc its very complex.

Oguz Turks have established many States, Dynasties, Empires in many different regions however we share Oguz Turk ancestry, culture, history, language and literature.

Read the post above, it explains the Routes of Turkish Cypriots, if you want more information I can provide you with it, books to read, scholors to ask questions, "Fermans", Old Historical records and historians, for eg Ibn Battuta has alot of very important material made during his extensive travelling among lands in which Turks lived, also Evliya Celebi can be recommended.

Micheal
ANYWAY WAS KEMEL WHATS HIS FACE "TURKISH". HE LOOKS MORE MONGOLIAN. WHICH IS MUCH WHAT TURKISH PEOPLE ARE. SORRY, NO SUCH THING AS TURKISH YOUR ALL MONGOLS. WHY DONT YOU ACCEPT YOUR ASIAN ROOTS GO BACK THERE AND LET THE REST OF US GET ON WITH OUR LIVES.

Is this guy for real,

Your ignorance is so severe its among the same lines as BNP/Neo-Nazi's who say, HEY THERE ALL BLACK ANYWAY THEYRE ALL THE SAME, or YOUR ALL JUST PAKI'S etc without realising that North Africa is infact not majority Black, Eastern Africa is a mix with people of more refined features, they have different languages, religions, customs etc.

You generalisation is just as idiotic.

1. Mongols are a people as Chinease are as Turks are. You can say were all the same if it makes you feel better but you'll be the fool

2. Mongols speak Mongolian, Turks speak Turkche

3. Were from Turkestan, we inhabit Turkestan and the Turkestan Steppe, Mongols inhabit Mongollia.

4. We have in the past mixed with Mongols, when the Mongolian Empire spread its "scribes", "accountants", "beaurocrats", "teacher", "artisans", "traders" were Uygur Turks who gained control of this Empire from the inside.

The Mongols didn't cause too much harm to the Turk populations of Turkestan which it took over.

In time the Golden Horde who took over these lands, was Turkified and absorbed into the Turks who were the majority and Golden Horde a very large Army.

There's been 16 Turk World Empires,

I mean lets just take 2.

Hun Empire



At its full extent



Great Hun Empire (204 BC - 216 AD)
Buyuk Hun Imparatorlugu in Turkish

Founder: METE HAN

Territory: Siberia to the North, Tibet and Kashmir to the south, Pacific Ocean to the east, and Caspian Sea to the west (approximately 18 million sq kilometers)

Emperors:

Yabgu Teoman - Karahan (Tou-Man Tovman) (? - 209 BC)
Mete Bagatir (209 - 174 BC)
Lao - Shang (174 - 161 BC)
Chun - Chen Yabgu (Kun) (161 - 126 BC)
I-Chin-Hsien (Icihise) Yabgu (126 - 114 BC)
Wu-Weri (Uvey) Yabgu (114 - 105 BC)
Wu-Shih-Lu-Erh (U-Su-Liu-Usilu) Yabgu (105 - 102 BC)
Chu-Li-Hu (Hiu-Li-Hu-Guylihu) Yabgu (102 - 101 BC)
Chu-Ti-Hu (Tsie-Ti-Heu-Tsuydiheu) Yabgu (101 - 96 BC)
Hu-Lu-Ku-(Hu-Lo-Ku = Hulugu) Yabgu (96 - 85 BC)
Khuandi Yabgu (85 - 68 BC)
Khuyluy Yabgu (68 - 60 BC)
Uven-Guydi Yabgu (60 - 58 BC)
Khukhasie Yabgu (58 - 56 BC)
Chichi Yabgu (56 - 36 BC)
Joti Yabgu (31 - 20 BC)
Seuse - Joti Yabgu (20 - 12 BC)
Cheya - Joti Yabgu (12 - 8 BC)
Uchjolu - Joti Yabgu (8 BC - 13 AD)
Uluyjoti Yabgu (13 - 18 AD)
Shikao-Joti Yabgu (18 - 46)
Vutatiho Yabgu (46)
Panu Yabgu (46 - 83)
Sanmuldutzu Yabgu (83 - 84)
Yuliu Yabgu (84 - 89)
Yuchukien Yabgu (89 - 93)
Ankuo Yabgu (93 - 94)
Tingtoshi - Suyheuti Yabgu (94 - 98)
Vanshichi - Suyti Yabgu (98 - 124)
Vuchihu - Shihcho Yabgu (124 - 127)
Tejoshi - Suytsieu Yabgu (127 - 140)
Chenieu Yabgu (140 - 143)
Hulanjoshi Suytsieu Yabgu (143 - 147)
Ilingshi - Suytsieu Yabgu (147 - 172)
Totejoshi - Suytsieu Yabgu (172 - 177)
Huching Yabgu (177 - 179)
Kiangkiu Yabgu (179 - 188)
Techishi - Suyheu Yabgu (188 - 195)
Huchutsiuen Yabgu (195 - 216)

Mete Han established his government in rightside and leftside structure, and altogether would be 24 chieftans, including:

The "Huns" are the reason why the Chinease today use the "Dragon"

Huns were recorded to have reverance for the 'Dragon'. Their capital was called by a Chinese name of 'ting'. In this sense, the Huns are the true descendants of the Dragon. Ancient Chinese, however, disliked the Dragon, and it could be shown in the proverb, 'Shegong Hao Long', i.e., the Old Man Shegong's Pretentious Fondness for Dragons. Ban Gu recorded that once a year, the Huns would converge in Chanyu's court in the first month of the year, and in the month of May, would converge in a spot in central Mongolia for dragon reverance. The place is called 'Long Cheng' (Dragon city) or 'Huang Long' (i.e., yellow dragon). The Huns revered ancestors, Heaven/Earth and ghosts & spirits. There was a reference to a Hunnic pilgrimage called 'San Long Si', i.e., Three Dragon Pilgrimage. The later Jurchens would call their capital in Manchuria by a same name, i.e., Huanglong-fu. Reading through the rituals of Euro-Asian nomadic peoples, the conclusion is that dragon reverance was a popular shamanism. In the month of August, the Huns had the autumn worshipping festival, with a requirement that they must revere at a forest. Li Ling and Su Wu, in their correspondence, mentioned this custom, and later Donghu would erect trees for reverance should they fail to find a forest. Huns also looked to the stars and moon as signs for actions: They would launch an attack when there was a full moon. Also recorded would be their live burial customs, and ministers and concubines, in maybe hundreds, would be included.

They controlled the Silk Route, had immense wealth, could fund huge armies, build settlements, have a wealthy population and were great traders and formed the roots of Turkestan area.

Also they had the "Turk" Millitary system, of using Decimals to divide the troops, discipline, training, tactics etc.

OnBashi - Head/Leader of Tens
YuzBashi - Head/Leader of Hundreds
BinBashi - Head/Leader of Thousand
Tugay - High Ranking
Kurmay - Another High Rank
Kurultay - Congress of Millitary
etc etc etc

These millitary terms are still used today in the modern Turkish Millitary.


etc etc


The Gok-Turks



I thought Turks didnt exist lol, this was their extent, they started spreading around the turn of Ad.


Their flag, the BozKurt Grey Wolf


And Micheal, we dont just accept our Asian roots were actually really proud of this, so your insult is more of a compliment to us thanks

He may of been born in "Salonique" but he looks as Macedoninan and Bruce Lee. Why are Turkish people so ashamed their ancestry.

So now Bruce Lee, a member of the Hong Kong Chinease community is somehow a Turk, lol, well thanks

If AtaTurk was a Mongol he'd be a Mongol but he wasn't he was a Muslim Turk of Albanian/Macedonian Bektashi heritage, no need to get all in a huff and a puff, if he looks Mongol to you fine thats lovely aswell, what's wrong with Mongols?

jeeez, the true face of racism is really emerging from certain members, its damn ugly, please return with your "pretend", I love Turks I do really character it was ALMOST convincing

[Piratis]

There are Turcology departments across the world my friend

Sure. There are Zoology departments as well. I never said that the Turks are not an interesting topic to study. We have such department in RoC as well. What I said is that what Turks had could hardly be classified as a civilization. Killing, raping and stealing the land of others to create an empire might have made Turks renowned for being great warriors and all, but lets face it, they did very little more than that. This is why the reference to a "Turkish civilization" is rarely made by non Turks.

As I said before google the phrase "Turkish Civilization". You get less than a thousand results. (while for "Greek Civilization" you get over 300.000).

What Turks should understand is that the time of killing and stealing the land of others is now over and it is time to adopt the civilization that others have created since they were unable to create any. Changing the alphabet to Latin and pretending to be Europeans is just a surface thing and not enough to make the Turkish nation a civilized one.

[bg_turk]

Killing, raping and stealing the land of others to create an empire

Shining examples of Greek civility:

http://www.h-net.org/~habsweb/sourcetexts/greeks1.htm

MITO KOLEV, a boy of fourteen from the village of Gavaliantsi, near Kukush.

On Wednesday, July 2, after the fighting at Kukush, the peasants fled from our village except a few old people. I fled with the rest and reached Kilindir. On Thursday I went back three hours' walk to our village to collect our beasts and find my mother. I found her and was going along the road back to Kilindir with others. As we were leaving our village I saw a Greek cavalryman in uniform on horseback. He fired his rifle at me and missed. I threw myself on the road, pretending to be dead. He then shot my mother in the breast and I heard her say as she fell beside me, "Mito, are you alive?" and that was the last word she spoke. Another boy came up and ran away, when he saw what had happened. The soldier pursued him, shot him, and then killed him with his sword without dismounting. Then I saw a little cripple girl named Kata Gosheva, who was in front of us hiding in a ravine. The soldier went after her, but I do not know whether he killed her. He then came back, passed us and met other cavalrymen. A certain miller of the village named Kaliu, who could speak both Greek and Bulgarian, then came up and lifted me up. The miller had a Mauser rifle. He hid in the ravine when he saw that the two troopers were hurrying back and I hid in some hay. I heard the horses' hoofs going towards the miller. They talked, and I suppose he must have surrendered. He then came back to where I was and the miller said, "Mito, Mito, come out or the cavalry will kill you." So I came out. We both then went to the school house where we found other Greek troopers. I was quite sure they were Greeks because I recognized the uniform.

[Piratis]

Shining examples of Greek civility:

Nobody said that Greeks were perfect. The difference is that Turks did very little other than killing, raping and stealing the land of others, while in the case of Greeks these were only a small part of their history and not what made them great. Have you seen any Greek being proud for such acts? On the other hand the Turks, having nothing else to be proud about, they are proud of butchering others and building an empire by enslaving foreign lands. Even worst they continue with the same practices today in the 21st century.

Greeks are renowned for philosophy, arts, sciences etc, while Turks are renowned for being great butchers. If Turks didn't kill and steal to build an empire what they would be known for?