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[Agios Amvrosios]

BRITISH MPs Edward O’Hara and Roger Gale have expressed disappointment with British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw’s remarks on Cyprus at the House of Commons.

Speaking to London Greek Radio (LGR), Labour MP O’Hara said he was disappointed at the position taken by the British government at the moment, noting that the only encouraging thing he heard the Foreign Secretary say was that the government in no way recognises the illegal regime of the Turkish occupied areas.

He also expressed concern over Straw’s meeting with Turkish-Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat in his own office at the so-called presidential palace during his recent visit to Cyprus, noting that, “we don’t feel happy about this implicit recognition.”

Conservative MP Roger Gale said, “it is very deeply regrettable that what should have been an opportunity to make progress has turned into an opportunity wasted.

“We were under the impression that the Foreign Secretary was carrying an olive branch with a view to try and get people together to make progress towards a real solution. It appears that far from doing that, he has probably exacerbated an already bad situation,” he concluded.

[bakala]

Twinkle have you ever tried to push The British armed forces about:
we are not talking about a helpless turkish cypriot farmer armed with a pitchfork you know.
Dont think because the british have a reputation for being Fair minded and tolerant that they cant or wont fight anymore
Ask the argentinians
The falklands war was over a tiny Island in the south Atlantic there were only just over 1000 Brits there, what do you think would happen if you posed any threat at all to the 5000 brits that live in the north ,
So you better stop making silly comments that contain words like Total War. lets face it you couldnt win a bar fight.

[stuballstu]

I'm sorry to say that some of the posts here are so wide of the mark it is incredible.

What kind of comments did GC's expect from Jack Straw? He was visiting Cyprus on ministerial business and did not back down on GC demands not meet Talat at his "Presidential Palace" There was no such uproar from GC's when a group from the European parliament decided to meet Talats representatives at his offices this week. The usual criteria is that TRNC flags etc are not flown and Jack Straw even said himself that visiting Talat did not constitute political recognition of the TRNC. Every other foreign diplomat who meets the leader of the Turkish Cypriots has mainly always met at the leaders office under the above criteria. Why did the ROC make an exception in Jack Straws case and publicly try to embarrass him and the UK which backfired.

When Jack Straw arrived at on the Island he was greeted by a lowly government minister, had protestors stopping his car, the police watching and doing nothing. Mr Papa D decided on a trip to Moscow and couldn't give Jack Straw the time of day. Even the UN told the ROC government that he was there as a representative of them, did anyone on the GC government change their mind. He was treated with contempt and GC expect him to tell the world that the ROC government is doing everything it can to solve the Cyprus problem.

These fact have all been reported in the Cyprus Mail.

He may have been right to say that if the EU knew now what they didnt know a few years ago then they may not have admitted Cyprus into the EU unless a political settlement had been acheived. Before EU admission did the ROC government really care what all the EU member states thoughts were on a settlement of the Cyprus issue? They didnt then but all of a sudden they do and hope that the EU will solve the problems if the UN cant.

What motivation have the GC's got now to solve the problems in Cyprus, they got the EU membership they craved for now what other motivation can they have?

As for the "lets charge the British rent and chase them from the bases brigade"

It was one of the stipulations when Cyprus gained independance was that Britain reserves the right to have military bases on the island.

If the ROC government pursue their policies of fueling anti-British feeling they are making a big mistake.

[Agios Amvrosios]

Dont think because the british have a reputation for being Fair minded and tolerant

fair and Tolerant like hanging people without trial? Ha ha ha ha . Puh- Leaze

And besides no body is talking about war you fruitloop. At most we will take some cheap bastard retirees to court for dealing with stolen property- The British Foreign Ministry has been warning people intending on going to the Occupied areas that they are looking at court action for years now.

[rolo]

The British Foreign Ministry has been warning people intending on going to the Occupied areas that they are looking at court action for years now.

perfectly correct, however my understanding of the rulings are something like "pending a settlement"

so lets start the settlement talking, then we can all start our court actions - someone in the south is living on my lands, note landS in Larnaca. and another village.
And guess what im gonna do if i get my landssss back, im gonna sell them all and buy land in Girne, simply because i have the human right not to want to live surronded by some gcs repeat some (not all just a minority) who may wish me to leave.

So why not cut the crap and get to the bottom line now, because even with the settlement, and even if we all gp back to 74 or even better 59 most tcs for their own protection will sell up and re-group in and around Girne -

The ethnic geographic scattered population distributions will never again be similar to pre 74.

[Piratis]

The falklands war was over a tiny Island in the south Atlantic there were only just over 1000 Brits there, what do you think would happen if you posed any threat at all to the 5000 brits that live in the north

We fought a war against the British and we can do it again. We have 200.000 GCs in London alone. Have you ever thought of what some "crazy" enough among them can do to you?

Would it be OK for you if in theory all Greek Cypriots were killed but also 1 million British (including you and your family)?

Well, believe it or not we are crazy enough to go against your empire. When we will you will regret that you choose to be on the first line.

[Agios Amvrosios]

and even if we all gp back to 74 or even better 59 most tcs for their own protection will sell up and re-group in and around Girne -

The ethnic geographic scattered population distributions will never again be similar to pre 74.

I

when the occupied areas are administered as part of the EU- any citizen of the EU will be allowed to live and enjoy democratic and EU -human rights in the occupied areas. ANY citizen of the EU includes Greek Cypriot refugees from Kyrenia. Ethnic cleansing cannot be enforced forever eventually you will want to stick your head out the window and realise you are no longer living in the stone age.

It is absolutely disgusting that you consider breaches of the geneva convetion and violations of recognized human rights ethnic cleansing as being part of "a solution".

Your solution is based on hatred and division and punishing people who never even knew turkish cypriots prior to being ethnically cleansed. Punish the people who you alleged committed violations against you personally- why are you supporting the suffering of every refugee.The reason is your alleged violations are merely a subtefuge or an excuse to steal. There is no other explanation either personally punish the people who fucked you over or admit you support barbaric war crimes such as ethnic cleansing and the murder of 6000 civilians and unexplained disapperance of over 1600.

[rolo]

if i get my land back in the south - i will then sell it and move north.

this is not to punish you but to protect myself and family against any future violence or hatred. Most tcs imho will do the same.

RoC govt officials will grant me (and all tcs) this right wont they?

[Natty]

This just proves that the British goverment is still playing TC's againsn't GC's just like when the "Divide and Rule" policy was enforced, making it "Turks agains't Greeks" again. What good is it to side with one side over the other? The only reason I can think of is to fuel tension between the two communities, does that sound familiar to anyone? He should be supporting all Cypriots, so they can live in a united country, where they can be left to make their own decisions, not stirring trouble.

Peace!!

Hey Rolo, can I ask a question, in the past 3 years, when people have been able to cross the borders, have GC's attcked TC's, and vise vera? It's a shame that you think that all GC's are out to "get" all the TC's, it is simply untrue, they simply want a unified Cyprus, where all Cypriots live in peace!

Again Peace!

[miltiades]

There is so much utter bullshit written by people who were not around in the 50s , 60s and 70s about T/Cs being annihilated by G/Cs . A horrendous amount of pure brainwashing has taken place to convince the T/Cs of the threat posed by the G/Cs. The perpetrators were and still are the pro partition sections encouraged by their masters.
I lived through those years and remember the old Famagusta walls opening to let T/Cs come out to do their daily chores but closed to the G/Cs.The T/Cs were under the control of pro partition elements and were indoctrinated in to accepting the imaginary threat as real.
We have for years enjoyed living together until the cancer of nationalistic fervour spread . There is no viable threat for T/Cs , and visa versa , the threat comes from 40000 occupying troops who hold Cyprus to ransom and keep the Turkish Cypriots under control .
It is time for all Cypriots to liberate them selves from the curses that caused so much damage to our nation.The perceived motherlands are the curse. Why I as a Cypriot , have to pay homage to a foreign nation .