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[Piratis]

Lysi what difference does it make? You can accuse Britain, USA and whoever else of being Pro-Turkish 'till your blue in the face, but if the tables were turned I'm sure you would be telling me where to go right now if I started to complain. You're just shifting the blame onto anyone else but yourselves.

Oh, and there's no need to bring Jack Straw's race into this thanks.

What was turned? Everything is the same since the 50s. The Americans and the British are helping the Turks with their plans in Cyprus. What changed? Absolutely nothing.

We are not blaming "everybody else". We are blaming the ones who are directly responsible for the situation in Cyprus, and those are the ones who had the power and who forced what they wanted on us. (and it is not China, Peru, Somalia, India, Canada, etc etc. It is 3-4 very specific countries not "everybody")

Greek Cypriots were simply passing from one ruler to the next (Ottomans, British etc) and when we gained "independence" even our constitution was written by them.

The ones who have the biggest part of the blame are the one who had the control, the armies, and were taking the decisions for us instead of us.

Will they ever allow Cypriots to take decisions for their own island by themselves in a democratic way?

Or will they will always impose on us their will, then we will suffer because of their decisions, and then they will blame us on top of that?

Yes Cypriots (TCs and GCs) have a share in what happened in Cyprus, but they have both paid and suffered 100 times for their share. The British, the Americans, Turkey (and Greece during junta rule) who have much larger blame for what happened in Cyprus not only they didn't pay anything for their crimes in Cyprus they are trying to punish us even more!

Anyways, I hope now, after what Straw said, nobody will try to claim that the British official policy is not anti Greek Cypriot. Now it is obvious even to a 5 year old.

[Michael]

pasha, is cyprus still a british colony ? Jack straw and the brit government will always be pro turkish just like the usa, the brits dont want to lose there free bases .
Jack straw is a useless english arsehole.

Lysi what difference does it make? You can accuse Britain, USA and whoever else of being Pro-Turkish 'till your blue in the face, but if the tables were turned I'm sure you would be telling me where to go right now if I started to complain. You're just shifting the blame onto anyone else but yourselves.

Oh, and there's no need to bring Jack Straw's race into this thanks.

ok , he is just an arsehole

[Viewpoint]

Dont hold your breath......

[Pasha]

Will they ever allow Cypriots to take decisions for their own island by themselves in a democratic way?

Well the answer to that Piratis is probably the fact that Cypriots are too stubborn to solve it themselves. Each side's proposal offends the others, and while it continues I don't believe there will be a change.

It may be possible when the RoC gets a new president, as Papadopoulos is an "old-skooler" from the conflict days. Our own "old-skooler" has been replaced as you already know, so its just a matter of time.

[Piratis]

Well the answer to that Piratis is probably the fact that Cypriots are too stubborn to solve it themselves. Each side's proposal offends the others, and while it continues I don't believe there will be a change.

If it was not for them there would not be a problem to solve in the first place.
Instead of trying to keep Cyprus as a colony and then employ their usual divide and rule policies, they could have allowed Cypriots to decide about the future of their own island in a democratic way.

Even today, Cypriots are not allowed to decide by themselves. Turkey clearly states that we either accept what they demand or they will continue their illegalities. The settlers vote in the occupied Cyprus which means there is not even a true TC leadership.

It may be possible when the RoC gets a new president, as Papadopoulos is an "old-skooler" from the conflict days. Our own "old-skooler" has been replaced as you already know, so its just a matter of time

Papadopoulos is here to fight for our human and democratic rights. I am under 30, and I agree to a great degree with his policies in the Cyprus problem, as does the majority of Cypriots who elected him from the first round in the elections. Does this mean I am "old-schooler" as well? Are the non "old-schoolers" the ones who accept the Turkish/US/UK policies?

What we ask for is democracy and human rights for all Cypriots. Is this "old-school"?

Denctash and Talad are the same as far as we are concerned. Both puppets of Turkey and non of them will accept the respect of our human and democratic rights.

[Pasha]

I was talking about their involvement in the Akritas plan, however if you agree with that then yes I consider you an "old-schooler" as well, and that goes for anyone else who still believes in the "enosis dream" (simon).

The "non old-schoolers" as you put are not people who accept Turkish/US/UK policies but people who are actively looking for a solution.

What we ask for is democracy and human rights for all Cypriots. Is this "old-school"?

Now there you go contradicting yourself, you just said earlier about the settler vote. It makes no difference who votes, the fact is that there is a democracy in Northern Cyprus. Are the settlers not human?

Denctash and Talad are the same as far as we are concerned.

Ignorance again.

[Piratis]

I was talking about their involvement in the Akritas plan, however if you agree with that then yes I consider you an "old-schooler" as well, and that goes for anyone else who still believes in the "enosis dream" (simon).

I do not believe in any enosis dream or any "Akristas plan". Interesting that the only thing that you have against a person is a bunch of papers that you accuse him of being involved with. Have you thought how ridiculous that is when the Turkish plans of invasion, occupation and ethnic cleansing are not just a "plan" but a fact that you keep enforcing as we speak?

The "non old-schoolers" as you put are not people who accept Turkish/US/UK policies but people who are actively looking for a solution.

Well, Turkey had said that the Cyprus problem was solved in 1974. The rest of us are obviously actively looking for a solution.

Now there you go contradicting yourself, you just said earlier about the settler vote. It makes no difference who votes, the fact is that there is a democracy in Northern Cyprus. Are the settlers not human?

You ethnically cleansed the majority of the population, brought foreigners in their place, and then you call that democracy?
OK, in the next Turkish elections let all the Chinese vote in the place of Turks. They are human too

Democracy is when the people of the country decide for their own country. Not when the inveders bring some others to decide in their place. Thats called illegal occupation, which is what exists in the the northern part of the Republic of Cyprus.

Ignorance again.

Ignorance of what? Of the declarations of Talad that he is ready to respect all the human and democratic rights of Greek Cypriots? Please enlighten me.

[Michael]

Jack the Poodle would sell his own mother. He neither cares about the Greeks or the Turks, no friend’s just interests. I read his speech given in the Commons, and at least he’s given up all pretence of being an objective guarantor. I don’t know why it comes as a surprise to us. The wife of Blair, who has a nose for the money, is willing to represent an illegal and unrecognised state, all Straw the poodle does is reinforce what we know already. What ever we do, what ever we say, the British are not interested in a fair solution.

[Pasha]

Well, Turkey had said that the Cyprus problem was solved in 1974. The rest of us are obviously actively looking for a solution.

It solved the problem that was taking place at the time yes, but now the problem that remains is either the recognition of the TRNC or reunification of both sides.

You ethnically cleansed the majority of the population, brought foreigners in their place, and then you call that democracy?
OK, in the next Turkish elections let all the Chinese vote in the place of Turks. They are human too

Hilarious. Turkey never went into Cyprus with the intention of "ethnically cleansing" the Greek Cypriots, rather to put a stop to the fanatical massacre. What can I say, war is hell

If Chinese people lived in the TRNC, why shouldn't they get a vote?

To answer your question, Talat is in favour of reunification.

[Piratis]

It solved the problem that was taking place at the time yes, but now the problem that remains is either the recognition of the TRNC or reunification of both sides.

It didn't solve any problem. Do you cure a person that suffers from headache by cutting off his head? (well, he would not have a headache anymore...). Her responsibility as a guarantor of Republic of Cyprus was to guarantee the constitution and sovereignty of RoC. Not to do the exact opposite.

Turkey never went into Cyprus with the intention of "ethnically cleansing" the Greek Cypriots, rather to put a stop to the fanatical massacre.

1)No TC was killed in this "massacre" until Turkey had invaded.
2)The killings of GCs that happened because of the coup was only a small fraction of the atrocities performed by the Turkish army.
3) The coup fell right after the first invasion of Turkey. Yet Turkey continued with a second unexcused this time invasion.
4) That excuse was over 32 years ago. Turkey uses an excuse that expired so long time ago to continue her illegalities.

Turkey came with the intention to ethnically cleanse Greek Cypriots and take a part of Cyprus for herself as it has always been (and continues to be) her aim.

If Chinese people lived in the TRNC, why shouldn't they get a vote?

If Chineese invade Turkey, kick Turks out and then they vote to elect a Turkish President, would you call that democracy?

To answer your question, Talat is in favour of reunification.

So he is in favor of one Cypriot people, with one citizenship and without any discrimination based on race?