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by **Agios Amvrosios** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 2:07 am

I think my point with this topic was that Greek Cypriots should insist that the Republic of Turkey complies with UN resolutions and international law regarding the withdrawal before we allow turkey to proceed with its EU Accession.

Focus has been removed from the withdrawal of turkish troops and too much focus has been placed on getting the right to land a Cyprus Air jet at Ankara. I know opening ports is more or less defacto recognition but who gives a shit if Cyprus Air goes to Ankara?

We should be saying that the position of Turkey that occupation troops will only be withdrawn if and when turkey feels like it is not good enough. If Turkey wants us to support its EU accession we should demand that it ends the illegal occupation or we'll drop a couple of loose vetos.

I just think we should keep a bit of focus on getting Turkey to comply with international laws in respect to troop withdraw

by **bg_turk** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 2:18 am

Agios Amvrosios wrote:Focus has been removed from the withdrawal of turkish troops and too much focus has been placed on getting the right to land a Cyprus Air jet at Ankara. I know opening ports is more or less defacto recognition but who gives a shit if Cyprus Air goes to Ankara?

But this is the point. You have not been even able to use your EU membership to even force Turkey to let you land a single Cyprus Air Jet in Ankara, and you dream of troop withdrawal. Troop withdrawal will not be happening for a really looooooong time ...

PS If you had accepted the Annan Plan, how many troops would have left by now?

by **Agios Amvrosios** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 2:55 am

Some Turksih Troops may have left but refugees like my family would have been allowed to go back to Agios Amvrosios. The Annan plan was purposely vague on Troop Withdrawal so why would Turkey remove her occupation troops in post Annan- Cyprus which would if we say the truth just institutionalise the occupation and ethniccleansing and division of Cyprus.

by **cypezokyli** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:07 am

in the end there would have been 650 turkish soldiers and 950 greek soldiers. i believe the rest would have left, bc i dont see the reason for them being here when both communities chose a peaceful path of co-existance.
the problem with the troops is kind of psycological for both communities. they need the army to feel safe (and they have their reasons), and it has to go in order that we feel safe (and we have our reasons). as a concequence they keep a small unit to feel safe, and we keep a small unit - but bugger than their to feel safe.
i would go for no armies at all, but having both communities having those ideas stuck into their heads, its difficult for me to see the alternative. perhaps after 20 years of peaceful co-existance we will agree that they leave...

by **Agios Amvrosios** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:00 am

I would go for no Army too -- No army for Turkey!

WHy isn't Turkey asked to reduce its army?

by **2fan** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 2:21 am

Agios Amvrosios wrote:I would go for no Army too -- No army for Turkey!

WHy isn't Turkey asked to reduce its army?

Because as long as there are people like you around some people do not feel safe. What do you expect them to do? Just pack up and haul ass? You'll wait a very long time for that without a solution.

by **Agios Amvrosios** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:30 am

What do you expect them to do? Just pack up and haul ass?

2 fan- I'm not the only one who expects the Turkish Army to withdrawal - UN resolutions call for the IMMEDIATE withdrawal of Turkish troops from Cyprus.

These UN resolutions calling for the IMMEDIATE withdrawal of Turkish Troops do not give Turkey the right to hang around and enforce ethnic cleansing until "a solution" is found. The solution is for Turkey to withdrawal her Troops and stop the ongoing ethnic cleansing.

by **despo** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:24 pm

Actually, Amvrosios, the UN resolutions do not refer to Turkish troops, instead they refer to "foreign troops and militry personnel."

You think that means ELDYK as well?

Anyway, they're defunct those resolutions now. What the UN calls for on Cyprus is a settlement based on a bizonal, bicommunal federation.

by **Alexis** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:53 pm

Anyway, they're defunct those resolutions now. What the UN calls for on Cyprus is a settlement based on a bizonal, bicommunal federation.

They are not defunct. The latest resolution re-affirms all previous council resolutions on Cyprus, other than that you are correct.

by **despo** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:53 pm

They are defunct in that what the UN requests from both sides is a comprehensive settlement, i.e. all aspects of the Cyprus problem will have to be solved as a package, based on a bizonal, bicommunal federation made up of two politically equal federal states. This will come after another set of negotiations, of course, but as the UN Secretary General has repeatedly stated, he does not see any grounds for restarting negotiations. He has also repeatedly stated that he would like to be informed by the Greek Cypriot side of what changes they would like to see to the so-called Annan Plan in a clear and hierarchised manner, but he has still not received this yet.

So, I would like to ask my fellow GCs, now that it was our side who rejected the last efforts by the UN, how do you know believe that Turkish troops will leave Cyprus, especially considering a) the UN is not willing to get into new negotations for a comprehensive settlement at present, and b) the European Union has not made it a precondition for Turkey to join that it removes its troops from Cyprus?

Please attempt to answer this and not dodge the issue.

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