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[Rude Gal]

Just read on Kibris newspaper online that a friendly football match between Turkish Cypriots and Monaco scheduled for 18 Feb has been cancelled due to Greek Cypriot pressure.

What a disgrace!

Is this how low people will stoop to get their political will imposed?

It is wrong, wrong, wrong!

This island is all of ours and it cannot be hijacked by nasty, selfish nationalists. We’ve all suffered and I’m sure where good energy and universal values are applied, we can find a way through to sort our past problems out. But this latest action, to re-enforce a sports embargo through a ban on a FRIENDLY match, at a time when we are meant to be trying to reconcile the two sides, is just mean. All it will achieve is more bad vibes between Greek and Turkish Cypriots.

This Forum has been great for opening my eyes and mind to the pain that Greek Cypriots have experienced. But I say, does your pain justify taking such an action? Is it OK to enjoy a wealth of opportunities that Greek Cypriots (or their Government’s) seek to deprive Turkish Cypriots? To have a policy of, “let’s get at TCs any which way we can, until we get our own way”. If that is really what people believe, then I say Greek Cypriot attitudes have not moved on since 1963-74.

I hope I am wrong.

Given some of the excellent exchanges I’ve had on this Forum, I know that there are many beautiful spirits among Greek Cypriots who are proud of their roots, justly champion their human rights but also show love and tolerance to others.

Don’t let people act in your name if you do not agree with this ridiculous and rude football ban!

If you feel as strongly as I do about this latest injustice, please speak up.

[Samwan]

who cares?

[Piratis]

It is wrong, wrong, wrong!

That was just a game Rude gal. Greek Cypriots are not even allowed to go live in their own homes because of the illegal Turkish occupation. I dont see you shouting "wrong, wrong, wrong" for this far, far, far greater injustice.

If you could make all these crimes against us and suffer no consequences at all that would be the injustice.

I support legality and human rights and democracy for ALL Cypriots.

Somehow you want to continue your illegalities and the violations of our human rights and suffer no consequences. You think that would be just?

In the case of sports I believe Turkish Cypriots should participate in the national teams of RoC. Also the Turkish teams should be registered in the Cyprus Football Association, even if they will have to temporary participate in a separate championship.

This will allow TC athletes to participate in international events, without being used by the occupation regime to promote the illegal "trnc" which represents the ethnic cleansing against Greek Cypriots.

[Rude Gal]

Two wrongs don't make a right and if you will recall, 65% of TCs voted for a solution which would have seen the refugee problem addressed. Although not all GCs could return home, the TCs brave vote would have meant huge hardship for 30,000+ of their own people in the Morphou region (mostly refugees from South), yet they voted pro-solution.

That's called leap of faith, it shows good will and it shows a desire for peace and reconcilliation.

This move does not!

TCs cannot be held in limbo indefinitely. The refugee problem is related to politics and can only be addressed as part of a solution or (it seems) through the courts. Sports does not need to be part of the political problem. It is a means to develop a spirit of friendship and togetherness. And if treated like the electricity issue, could have been a driving force for reconcilliation.

Did you know that the exclusively GC managed CFA have continued to refuse a joint league or power sharing with TCs. The Turkish CTFA put this proposal in to FIFA a number of times - but it keeps being rejected, as we meant to just link into the CFA with no equal rights what so ever (yet just today Russia again talked of TC being legally/politically = to GCs) so who is dragging their feet and showing bad sportsmanship?

Also, did you know that TC athletes have offered to participate under Olympic flag (not TRNC) for the Commonwealth Games in Melbourne later this year, but even that right denied by GC pressure.

And then there's the racist chants at the Australian Open.

If I was an open GC right now, I would really be questionning my people's vibes. It ain't good bro and you know it!

[Rude Gal]

who cares?

I do! And if you don't, why even bother to post a reply?

[Piratis]

TCs voted for a partition plan that would give them the 90% of what they had asked for and would legalize the violations of our human and democratic rights.

When you keep trying to harm us and you don't even respect the sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus and our human and democratic rights, you truly expect us not to react in this?

Did you know that the exclusively GC managed CFA have continued to refuse a joint league or power sharing with TCs.

You keep confusing TCs with the illegal pseudo state of Turkey called "trnc". If the occupation regime had allowed the TCs could participate both as athletes and as management in the CFA.
What the CFA obviously refused is the collaboration with the illegal "trnc", not with TCs as citizens of RoC.

[Rude Gal]

A compromise is necessary for a solution and I say again, the Annan Plan was not much different to the principals of all UN plans since the War(which GCs supposedly agreed to - now we all no different).

RoC does not represent me and TCs. They take passports as means to limit impact of embargoes, which started in 1963/4 - not 83, so got bugger all to do with the TRNC that you hate.

If TRNC a problem, why can't TCs participate under the Olympic flag?

And as for football, CFA would not have to deal with TRNC, just their TC counterparts - their federation name makes no mention of TRNC or territory, AND they have inherent right to separate sports rep under 1960 constitution AND the CTFA was set up in 1955 after the legendary Cetinkaya (and other TC clubs) were prevented from playing as part of 1st EOKA struggle.

If we can't even sort out rights to play a game of football, there's no chance of a united Cyprus.

People are waking up P looking at this situation and beyond the official lines. Your people looking bad for these moves...

The more you try to justify it by throwing reasons to excuse it, the bigger the hole...

[Piratis]

You are justifying the killing of thousands of people and the ethnic cleansing of 200.000 and you accuse me?

The compromise was made in 1960. Why should we keep compromising and you gaining more and more on our loss? Because you have the power to invade, rape, kill, and illegally occupy part of the sovereign Republic of Cyprus?

[Rude Gal]

I'm against all killing, raping etc. War happened in Cyprus. I didn't cause it and I doubt you did, and innocents on both sides suffered. My comments are not intended to excuse the suffereing but shows I'm dealing with it.

And rememeber, GC ethnic cleansing and trauma started in 74, ours started in Dec 63 and our pain is still going on, and is still down to the same people - the GCs.

And why? It was because your people couldn't stick to the compromise of 1960 that we are where we are today!

If you cannot learn from your mistakes, that is your problem, but my people do not need to keep suffering because of it.

Either you learn to make the compromise and stick to it, or we stay apart.

[Piratis]

We learned from our mistakes. We don't want "enosis" etc anymore. It is time for you to learn from your mistakes as well and stop asking for partition, something that you were asking since the 50s.

When this happens the compromise we made in 1960 will work.