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[Rude Gal]

1. "Leap" of Turkish-Cypriots:

Why did this "leap" not take place in the past 30 years?? Let's face it, any TC "leaps" are performed strictly at the request and on the order of the Ankara Generals.

For 30 years Turkey was stating that the Cyprus problem was solved in 74. Right after Cyprus joined the EU (contrary to Turkish expectations) and gained a veto against Turkish accession, Turkey remembered that there is a problem in Cyprus and TCs started "leaping"!! Please, spare me the bs talk..

2. Sports' ban

Your comments make me think of a car thief who after stealing a car has the nerve to start complaining that he is not allowed to register the car to his name and start using it legally... let's all get serious here..

Whenever and however, the leap came, we are moving forward. Shame same can't be said for GCs. These posts from the bulk of GCs are beyond a joke.

I can't think of any justification to deprive people the right to play football - especially as every one of them were infants or born after 1974, have no hand in past Cyprus atrocities, and are just trying to get by in life, same as lots of other people. They didn't create the Cyprus confict, they are not holding back a solution, and still they are the ones to suffer.

And you call that fair??????????????

As for stealing, let me remind all GCs, this conflict started with your administration stealing our rights and not observing the political deal and Cyprus Constitution of 1960 (the Enosis dream that Piratis alluded to earlier in this thread). This conflict is still about the same thing - control! GCs stole our political equality and are now trying to make out they are doing us a favour by giving back a few tit-bits. PLLLLLLLLLLLEASSSSSSSE! And then they have the gall to justify the embargoes because of refugees and their lack of control over the whole island. This is pure BS and it stinks to high heaven!

The refugees, missing etc are all by-products of this conflict, not the root, and if you can't even accept that, then it is you and not I that have been deluded by propaganda.

[Main_Source]

Whenever and however, the leap came, we are moving forward. Shame same can't be said for GCs. These posts from the bulk of GCs are beyond a joke.

What leap? Your tring to fool the world that supporting a disguised partition is a 'leap'? Instead of having the same rights as any other European citizen...Turkish Cypriots want special priveledges as opposed to normol democratic rights...and you call supporting this a 'leap'? Who is the joke here?

I can't think of any justification to deprive people the right to play football - especially as every one of them were infants or born after 1974, have no hand in past Cyprus atrocities, and are just trying to get by in life, same as lots of other people. They didn't create the Cyprus confict, they are not holding back a solution, and still they are the ones to suffer.

No one is saying that Turkish Cypriots cannot play football. What IS being said that though is football federations recognise the north of Cyprus as being under occupation, therefore teams from that region have no official status. like I said, its a consequence of living under a regime who commited illegal acts and BONAFIDE ethnic cleansing.

Hey, why doesnt Turkey let Anorthosis or Salamina football clubs return to their orignal home...infact, why doesnt Turkey let refugees born after 1974 return home? They didnt cause the conflict and I really cant think of any justification to deprive people of their home. Please stop trying to play the poor victim, it makes you look pittyful...especially when people know the whole Cyprus issue.

And you call that fair??????????????

Is the Turkish occupation and ethnic cleansing fair? How about the murder of greek Cypriot protestors, organised by the regime? Is that fair?

As for stealing, let me remind all GCs, this conflict started with your administration stealing our rights and not observing the political deal and Cyprus Constitution of 1960 (the Enosis dream that Piratis alluded to earlier in this thread). This conflict is still about the same thing - control! GCs stole our political equality and are now trying to make out they are doing us a favour by giving back a few tit-bits. PLLLLLLLLLLLEASSSSSSSE! And then they have the gall to justify the embargoes because of refugees and their lack of control over the whole island. This is pure BS and it stinks to high heaven!

So the cause for Turkish segregation before 1960 had nothing to do with the conflict? Anyway, do you know the difference between a RIGHT and a PRIVELEDGE? clearly not. The 1960 constitution gave Turkish Cypriots special priveledges, which were set in place by the British before they handed Cyprus over to the Cypriots. The Greek Cypriots tried to bring the Turkish Cypriot rights down to the level of other Cypriots (Greek, Armenian, Maronite, etc) and the Turkish Cypriots refused to give up there priveledges. Besides, that is in the past but the only crime being commited now is by Turkey...your argument has no real scope and is a cheap one at that. Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots have commited an act of ethnic cleansing on the rest of the Cypriot population and this is one of the consequences of living in a occupational regime. Stop reading only OTT biased Turkish media and try and read the news from other sources.

The refugees, missing etc are all by-products of this conflict, not the root, and if you can't even accept that, then it is you and not I that have been deluded by propaganda.

Again your brain has been conditioned to think one way. It doesnt matter though...because the intercommunal conflict is all in the past but Turkey is still the criminal for the past 31 years.

[Rude Gal]

I don't seem to be getting my point across, but at least I reached one person - Viewpoint. Thanks for grasping the nubs of the problem:

think the morale behind this issue has been some what lost. Many people have say that Politics and sports should not be mixed but our neighbours appear to realish in the fact that using this embargo is like a weapon to be wielded to makes us yield to GC demands. For gods sakes it is a foodtball match

Think I have no more to add. MS, P, AA, Tony etc - you are all entitled to your views, as I am mine. It seems we have not managed to engage in a more meaningful way (i.e. reach consensus) over this incident. So I'm not continuing - pointless having an endless stream of recriminations.

However, I am still incensed by this latest outrageous ban, and as they say, Don't Det Mad - Get Active, and I will! This Forum is clearly not the place to expend my energies, but will keep you posted. Rest assured it will not involve a nude dash across the pitch at the next Spurs game (though something tells me it might just make people sit up & take notice - well if the TC footballers can 'strip for their rights' and get worldwide media attention, why not?)

Game over! Replay to be scheduled soon...

[Agios Amvrosios]

Dude gal

And then they have the gall to justify the embargoes because of refugees and their lack of control over the whole island. This is pure BS and it stinks to high heaven!

I do bring out my "gall ", UN Resolutions , ECHR Judgments, the Geneva Convetion provide the necessary "Gall' and if you think these things stink- then hold your nose. Ethnic cleansing is a war crime luv you need to understand that is why the UN has had the gall to keep the embargo in place for nearly 32 years.

[Rude Gal]

Ethnic cleansing is a war crime luv you need to understand that is why the UN has had the gall to keep the embargo in place for nearly 32 years.

The football embargo started in 1955!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And GC crimes against TCs, including ethnic cleansing between 1963-74, how has that been dealt with? Let me think... It includes electing a war criminal called Tassos to be President. Gosh, that's really balanced of the world. But of course, if you deprive a people the right to represent themselves anywhere (politically, culturally, sports, etc) and ensure the only reps since March 1964 are all Greek Cypriots, what does one expect?

Bugger, and there's me saying I was not going to get back in on this one...

[Tony-4497]

you deprive a people the right to represent themselves

Please.. enough with the crap about depriving the TCs..

TCs WALKED OUT of the government, obeying to Turkey and the criminal TMT's stated aim of partition..

TCs keep saying that they were forced out at gunpoint, as if mantra-like repetition will suddenly make it true..

But coming back to TODAY:... If TCs want to lift their (Turkish-troops-imposed) "isolation", in politics, sports, power etc, this could be done OVERNIGHT.

All that needs to happen is for Turkish troops to get out, the illegal pupped state set up on stolen land to be dissolved, and all refugees to return to their homes.

EU membership guarantees that the only legal constitution in Cyprus (that of 1960) will be adhered to and that if anyone breaches the rights of TCs then TCs can go to all European courts and receive justice.

What's your position on this?

[Rude Gal]

What's your position on this?

In the words of Crimewatch, don't have nightmares about this.

I'm off to bed. Sweet dreams zzzz (must be all that repetition) ....

[Agios Amvrosios]

Hands up all those who want to see a rude nude gal doing a nude dash at a spurs game.

Let me know and I'll change my pay TV subscription to get some pommie soccer.

[Viewpoint]

Why dont you stop providing those "rights"? you appear to be against them, if your administration claims to represent all of the Cypriots then these are basic services they have to supply to all its citizens. The political gain far outweighs the cost, these services are not supplied out of love for the TCs, its all done for political advantage.

So again...your not happy. If these services are done out of political gain and not done to provide Turkish Cypriots with RoC rights (remember only TC are gettin free healthcare from the RoC), then why do TC continue to take advantage of them? Isnt that like selling out a little bit?

I havent got a problem with giving TC the same rights as GC...but the football team is representative of the illegal pseudo state who occupies RoC territories. Besides, its European law that the match didnt go ahead and even though the Turkish press continues to blame the RoC, I doubt they had much say in the decision. Your just forgetting that the 'TRNC' is illegal in international legislation and these are some of the consequences.

This is just a football match nothing official, no recognition issues just men kicking around a football. The GCs mentality of keeping us in isolation is sickening they would stop the sun shining on the north if they knew who to lodge a complaint to

The occupied north has no offical UEFA or FIFA recognised football association, so again, there are a lot of people to veto such a match before the RoC puts its say in.

You are like spoilt child you lit the fuse to the bomb which you hoped would blow TCs to kingdom come, only it exploded in your face and you cry why did this happen. You should have really thought about that before you struck the match dont you think

Here we go...back to VP's warped sense of thinking....you use children in a lot of your analogies dont you. Sounds like you got some weird facination with kids...I hope they keep you away from the local school. At the end of the day VP, contrary to what you might think about the whole Cyprus issue, its Turkey that is currently commiting the crime, for the past 31 years...and these are some of the justifiable consequences that come with it.

In my opinion is sports and politics should not be mixed, thats the point of my arguement but hey have it your way, one less football match wont keep anyone awake at night but does mean another nail in the coffin of reunification, there are always psychological effects from these types of measures and only goes to confirm time and time again the mindset of GCs towards TCs, well done keep up the good work if you are certain and have no doubts that its having the desired effect.

[Main_Source]

Sports and politics doesnt mix when it suits you VP or you find it convenient to say so...like most of the TC arguments on the CYprus issue.

There are far mor important things that should be happening before a football match takes place.

Again, why doesnt Turkey let Anorthosis and Salamina Football Clubs return home in that case?