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New injustice: friendly football match cancelled!

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Postby Rude Gal » Sun Feb 05, 2006 8:41 pm

We learned from our mistakes. We don't want "enosis" etc anymore.
HOORAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! :lol:

But have you learnt to share Cyprus and power and respect the rights/differences of others? I hear they won't allow Cyprus Turkish Delight to be sold in the South, unless they take out word Turkish?!!! :roll: :roll: :roll:

And I read an article by journo based in Lebanon that says somewhere in South Nicosia, there is place that equates 9/11 bombers with Turkey in Cyprus. As he said in article, all gone too far.

There is no doubt some deep psychological traumas from 74, but blood, I think the problem goes way deeper. To the fall of Constantinople and it just keeps being reinforced. It's ok to prevent a friendly football match or stop them trading or prevent them from having a life...

That is why partition was supported in 1950s and why it is still an aspiration for some TCs today.

FYI (as I'm sure you well know) TCs in North Cyprus have stopped talking about partition (or most) and focussing on solution. The current TC leadership and Govt were elected on ticket to unification (3 votes in 1 year, Annan Plan, Presidential and General Elections).

Ours have made the leap, the hand is outstretched. Your people need to do the same - act big and bold. You can take it and we move forward together, or keep supporting a moron like PapaD and walk away waiting for it all (which says you haven't learnt lessons from past). If you act as of old, then partition is an inevitability.

And whose fault will that be?
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Postby Main_Source » Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:22 pm

Firstly, how long are TC morons like yourself 'Rude Gal' going to keep lieing to the world that Greek Cypriots inflicted ethnic cleansing on Turkish Cypriots? Do you KNOW what 'Ethnic Cleansing' means? It means to cleanse a land of a particular ethnicity...like what happend after 1974. If you bother to get your facts stright and not buy into bullshit like the Turkish press and the ATCA garbage, you will see that roughly the same amount of GC and TC died before 1974...if you want to count AFTER 1974, well more Greek Cypriots died in that summer than the number of Turkish Cypriots died in the previous decade. The only REAL ethnic cleansing in Cyprus has been inflicted by the Turks.

Back to the sporting point...well this is what happens when you live in an illegal occupied regime. Its not the GC faults that TC who live in occupied Cyprus cant participate in sport...its the laws and rules of legislation within various sporting bodies. I really wouldnt beleive all you read in the Turkish press...anything written that is unfavourable to the Turkish government could see the respective journalist in jail.
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Postby Main_Source » Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:23 pm

FYI (as I'm sure you well know) TCs in North Cyprus have stopped talking about partition (or most) and focussing on solution. The current TC leadership and Govt were elected on ticket to unification (3 votes in 1 year, Annan Plan, Presidential and General Elections).

Ours have made the leap, the hand is outstretched. Your people need to do the same - act big and bold. You can take it and we move forward together, or keep supporting a moron like PapaD and walk away waiting for it all (which says you haven't learnt lessons from past). If you act as of old, then partition is an inevitability.

And whose fault will that be?


Your versions of a soloution are racist, supress GC human rights and are undemocratic. Go figure.
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Postby Rude Gal » Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:30 pm

If you bother to get your facts stright ...you will see that roughly the same amount of GC and TC died before 1974.

You and P keep repeating this. Given that you always telling us that TCs were 1/5 of population, that means we had 5 times the impact!

Do you KNOW what 'Ethnic Cleansing' means?
Yep, and it happened to both sides. There are 1000s of Turkish Cypriots in London and Cyprus who were ethnically cleansed from their homelends during 63-74 - my own father included - by GCs. I don't need to hype it up - it's as real as your people's pains.

It sounds like you can't come to terms with your people's past like we TCs have. Shame, cos till enough of you do, this island will stay split.

Its not the GC faults that TC who live in occupied Cyprus cant participate in sport...its the laws and rules of legislation within various sporting bodies.
Some sports embargoes - like football - started in 1955. Nothing to do with the TRNC. And if we talk about illegal, what gives GCs the right to a monopoly over the RoC? This is the crux of Cyprus - either you learn to share or there will have to be 2 of everything.

GCs have a greater hand in the current state of affairs than most care to admit. If you cannot face up to past/present actions, others will sort this problem out for you.
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Postby Rude Gal » Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:39 pm

Main_Source wrote:Your versions of a soloution are racist, supress GC human rights and are undemocratic. Go figure.


A BBF or two state solution is not racist - they are merely political options. Many countries were borne out of the nation-state concept. It may not be to your liking, but given integration won't happen asap, surely better to go for next best thing, living side by side and introducing integration gradually?

Honestly, I never met so much stubbornness.

Since seizing power in 63, nothing has changed for so many GCs: you pretend to represent the whole island when you have neither the moral, legal or political right - is that not undemocratic? You got one major phobia about all things Turkish (prejudice for sure, for some def'ly racism), and you use past traumas to justify present negative actions cos you are the only victim here - right? WRONG!

GCs need to learn their rights aren't the only ones that matter.
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Postby cypezokyli » Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:00 pm

going through this thread i can only say :

if we recycled paper, glass and plastic the same way we recycle our (by our i mean all cypriots ) arguments, cyprus would have been the cleanest place on earth
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Postby Rude Gal » Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:06 pm

cypezokyli wrote:if we recycled paper, glass and plastic the same way we recycle our (by our i mean all cypriots ) arguments, cyprus would have been the cleanest place on earth


that made me crack up - we all need a bit of clean living! :lol:
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Postby Main_Source » Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:05 am

You and P keep repeating this. Given that you always telling us that TCs were 1/5 of population, that means we had 5 times the impact!
Or you had 5 times the agression than Greek Cypriots.

Yep, and it happened to both sides. There are 1000s of Turkish Cypriots in London and Cyprus who were ethnically cleansed from their homelends during 63-74 - my own father included - by GCs. I don't need to hype it up - it's as real as your people's pains.

It sounds like you can't come to terms with your people's past like we TCs have. Shame, cos till enough of you do, this island will stay split.


So all of a sudden, TCs who decided to move to the UK for a better living were 'ethnically cleansed' as opposed to being immigrants? What about the 10's of thousands of GCs who emigrated to the UK during that time...can I say they were ethnically cleansed too if it was convenient for a false argument I wanted to make. It's totally despicable how TC can manipulate historical points and turn them into such lies.

...and so what your telling me is, unless we beleive the lies and heresay that has come out of Turkish propaganda over the last couple of years, we will not be able to go home?

Some sports embargoes - like football - started in 1955. Nothing to do with the TRNC. And if we talk about illegal, what gives GCs the right to a monopoly over the RoC? This is the crux of Cyprus - either you learn to share or there will have to be 2 of everything.


What sports embargoes started in 1955? Whilst the British were still in rule may I add. Nothing gives Greek Cypriots the right of the RoC, its TC who left it remember and its TC who want their own state at our expense. Why should TC get special priveledges in Cyprus over any other ethnicity? Why should TC be guranateed certain positions that neither Greek Cypriot, Maronite Cypriot or Armenian Cypriot are entitled too? Why dont you ask your genocidic-tendenceid father, Ataturk, how to treat ethnic minorities.

GCs have a greater hand in the current state of affairs than most care to admit. If you cannot face up to past/present actions, others will sort this problem out for you.


At the end of the day, who is occupying who? Who currently ethnically cleanses who? and who has murdered more?

A BBF or two state solution is not racist - they are merely political options. Many countries were borne out of the nation-state concept. It may not be to your liking, but given integration won't happen asap, surely better to go for next best thing, living side by side and introducing integration gradually?

Honestly, I never met so much stubbornness.
What you want is to limit the amount of GreekCypriots that can live in a particular part of Cyprus...that is racist and suppreses their human rights. Oh yeah, its not OK to let Greek Cypriots live in the north but its ok for thousands of Turkish Cypriots to come to the south everyday for work. At the end of the day, it you who keep us from our homes so stop acting the victim still.

Since seizing power in 63, nothing has changed for so many GCs: you pretend to represent the whole island when you have neither the moral, legal or political right - is that not undemocratic? You got one major phobia about all things Turkish (prejudice for sure, for some def'ly racism), and you use past traumas to justify present negative actions cos you are the only victim here - right? WRONG!

GCs need to learn their rights aren't the only ones that matter.
At the end of the day, if we make up over 80% of the population, who do you expect to be in power of the island? If a Greek Cypriot happend to be ellected as president, then YES, we DO have the moral right, we DO have the legal right and we DO have the political right! Remember, the Ottoman Empire is dead...I know you Turks are very nationalistic...but you have to come to terms that Cyprus is first and foremost a culturally Greek island. It is populated by mostly Greek Cypriots, so in any democratic election, Greek Cypriots are more than likely to make most of the votes. If you dont like it, it doesnt mean you can call mother Turkey, to ethnically cleanse us so they can trick you into thinking you have your own illegal state when really its a huge military base.

I have no problem living side by side with a Turkish Cypriot like I have in London all my life...but dont expect me to lie down when you want to oppress my rights and make lies up about me.

going through this thread i can only say :

if we recycled paper, glass and plastic the same way we recycle our (by our i mean all cypriots ) arguments, cyprus would have been the cleanest place on earth


True...but im not going to sit and lie down while Turkish Cypriots go around manipulating the truth or go and make the most fabricated lies up.
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Postby Agios Amvrosios » Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:40 am

RED CARD!

Dear Rude Gal- the international community has imposed embargoes on the occupied areas which will have to remain in place while breaches of UN resolutionscontinue, Court Judgments are ignored, the Geneva Convention is ignored and the ongoing ethnic cleansing of Cyprus is enforced by Turkish Troops.

If you are tired of being subjected to embargoes you must play by the rules of International Law and Human Rights Law.
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Postby Main_Source » Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:13 am

Exactly, thats why international laws are set in place.

With regards to the football match, its FIFA who decide such actions. There is not a sporting embargo on Turkish Cypriots, only on the so called 'TRNC', because it is an illegal occupation. The RoC is the legal and recognised representitives of all Cypriots, not just Greek Cypriots. It is only Turkey who tries its best to say that the RoC represents Greek Cypriots only.
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