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[cyprusgrump]

You've quoted 'facts' to prove your points, like how much fuel a 767 holds and have been proved hopelessly wrong... (20K USG .... I was right)

Sadly (for you) the Internet has a long memory... You actually claimed...

The intense fire was outside the building .... not inside it. These aircraft fully loaded carried about 10,000 US Gallons of Jet A1

You need to watch those shoelaces!

FFS, it was here on this very forum!

[Robin Hood]

You've quoted 'facts' to prove your points, like how much fuel a 767 holds and have been proved hopelessly wrong... (20K USG .... I was right) ..... that was wrong as it was the total not individual load.

Sadly (for you) the Internet has a long memory... You actually claimed...

The intense fire was outside the building .... not inside it. These aircraft fully loaded carried about 10,000 US Gallons of Jet A1

You need to watch those shoelaces!

FFS, it was here on this very forum!

Your avatar suits you! With your head in a bucket all you see/hear is your own opinion. You are really not very well informed or educated!

The maximum capacity of fuel carried in a Boeing 767 is a total irrelevance. What IS relevant is the actual amount of fuel loaded for that flight and on that I was correct.

You used the wrong information. I stated it was 10.000 USG in each aircraft ….. and that is as correct as it is possible to get. If you GOOGLE the following FEMA Investigation Report, you will see I was correct …… but then I am more knowledgeable than you!

2WT1 and WTC 2 – pages 15 to 24 - at the very beginning of this section and also later under Building Response 2.2.1.2. – Fire development, you will find that 10.000 USG figure is from Government sources. Which makes sense as they would have all the load data ….. including calculated fuel load required for that journey.

The FEMA report is a far better source than NIST, as FEMA’s report was independent …… the NIST report was made under US Govt. directives, restrictions and limited time lines.

[cyprusgrump]

You've quoted 'facts' to prove your points, like how much fuel a 767 holds and have been proved hopelessly wrong... (20K USG .... I was right) ..... that was wrong as it was the total not individual load.

Sadly (for you) the Internet has a long memory... You actually claimed...

The intense fire was outside the building .... not inside it. These aircraft fully loaded carried about 10,000 US Gallons of Jet A1

You need to watch those shoelaces!

FFS, it was here on this very forum!

Your avatar suits you! With your head in a bucket all you see/hear is your own opinion. You are really not very well informed or educated!

The maximum capacity of fuel carried in a Boeing 767 is a total irrelevance. What IS relevant is the actual amount of fuel loaded for that flight and on that I was correct.

You used the wrong information. I stated it was 10.000 USG in each aircraft ….. and that is as correct as it is possible to get. If you GOOGLE the following FEMA Investigation Report, you will see I was correct …… but then I am more knowledgeable than you!

2WT1 and WTC 2 – pages 15 to 24 - at the very beginning of this section and also later under Building Response 2.2.1.2. – Fire development, you will find that 10.000 USG figure is from Government sources. Which makes sense as they would have all the load data ….. including calculated fuel load required for that journey.

The FEMA report is a far better source than NIST, as FEMA’s report was independent …… the NIST report was made under US Govt. directives, restrictions and limited time lines.

Read what you posted again...

The intense fire was outside the building .... not inside it. These aircraft fully loaded carried about 10,000 US Gallons of Jet A1

That's right! You posted THESE AIRCRAFT FULLY LOADED CARRIED ABOUT 10,000 US GALLONS OF JET A1



So you were wrong...

Now you claim that you were referring to the fuel load and not the maximum capacity...?

Except...

There is only so much heat (energy) in the 2-3000 gallons of Jet A1 left out of the 20.000 in the aircraft, as most of it was ejected on impact and then what remained disappeared down through the broken floors created by the impact, and then poured down the lift shafts and staircases on the undamaged floors below.

So wrong again...

Others have pointed out that you are incapable of admitting you are ever wrong, I'm beginning to see that...

Given that your arguments have more holes than a Swiss Cheese, perhaps you should consider deleting your posts immediately to save leaving such a trail of incriminating evidence...

Or perhaps not posting at all...?

[Robin Hood]

You've quoted 'facts' to prove your points, like how much fuel a 767 holds and have been proved hopelessly wrong... (20K USG .... I was right) ..... that was wrong as it was the total not individual load.

Sadly (for you) the Internet has a long memory... You actually claimed...

The intense fire was outside the building .... not inside it. These aircraft fully loaded carried about 10,000 US Gallons of Jet A1

You need to watch those shoelaces!

FFS, it was here on this very forum!

Your avatar suits you! With your head in a bucket all you see/hear is your own opinion. You are really not very well informed or educated!

The maximum capacity of fuel carried in a Boeing 767 is a total irrelevance. What IS relevant is the actual amount of fuel loaded for that flight and on that I was correct.

You used the wrong information. I stated it was 10.000 USG in each aircraft ….. and that is as correct as it is possible to get. If you GOOGLE the following FEMA Investigation Report, you will see I was correct …… but then I am more knowledgeable than you!

2WT1 and WTC 2 – pages 15 to 24 - at the very beginning of this section and also later under Building Response 2.2.1.2. – Fire development, you will find that 10.000 USG figure is from Government sources. Which makes sense as they would have all the load data ….. including calculated fuel load required for that journey.

The FEMA report is a far better source than NIST, as FEMA’s report was independent …… the NIST report was made under US Govt. directives, restrictions and limited time lines.

Read what you posted again...

The intense fire was outside the building .... not inside it. These aircraft fully loaded carried about 10,000 US Gallons of Jet A1

That's right! You posted THESE AIRCRAFT FULLY LOADED CARRIED ABOUT 10,000 US GALLONS OF JET A1



So you were wrong...

Now you claim that you were referring to the fuel load and not the maximum capacity...?

Except...

There is only so much heat (energy) in the 2-3000 gallons of Jet A1 left out of the 20.000 in the aircraft, as most of it was ejected on impact and then what remained disappeared down through the broken floors created by the impact, and then poured down the lift shafts and staircases on the undamaged floors below.

So wrong again...

Others have pointed out that you are incapable of admitting you are ever wrong, I'm beginning to see that...

Given that your arguments have more holes than a Swiss Cheese, perhaps you should consider deleting your posts immediately to save leaving such a trail of incriminating evidence...

Or perhaps not posting at all...?

The fuel carried was a total load of 10,000 USG per aircraft ....... I was correct where it mattered. That figure is backed by FEMA and the US Government.

You are like many that regard any view that opposes yours as a 'conspiracy theory' and who nit-pick the trivia once faced with information they cannot explain away!


As for "Others have pointed out that you are incapable of admitting you are ever wrong." I wouid not believe much that LR dishes out in that department! He has spent at least 15 years on a pilgrimage to bring me down ...... because he got caught out in a blatant lie and blamed me for it, and of course my views are mostly the opposite to his.

[cyprusgrump]

You've quoted 'facts' to prove your points, like how much fuel a 767 holds and have been proved hopelessly wrong... (20K USG .... I was right) ..... that was wrong as it was the total not individual load.

Sadly (for you) the Internet has a long memory... You actually claimed...

The intense fire was outside the building .... not inside it. These aircraft fully loaded carried about 10,000 US Gallons of Jet A1

You need to watch those shoelaces!

FFS, it was here on this very forum!

Your avatar suits you! With your head in a bucket all you see/hear is your own opinion. You are really not very well informed or educated!

The maximum capacity of fuel carried in a Boeing 767 is a total irrelevance. What IS relevant is the actual amount of fuel loaded for that flight and on that I was correct.

You used the wrong information. I stated it was 10.000 USG in each aircraft ….. and that is as correct as it is possible to get. If you GOOGLE the following FEMA Investigation Report, you will see I was correct …… but then I am more knowledgeable than you!

2WT1 and WTC 2 – pages 15 to 24 - at the very beginning of this section and also later under Building Response 2.2.1.2. – Fire development, you will find that 10.000 USG figure is from Government sources. Which makes sense as they would have all the load data ….. including calculated fuel load required for that journey.

The FEMA report is a far better source than NIST, as FEMA’s report was independent …… the NIST report was made under US Govt. directives, restrictions and limited time lines.

Read what you posted again...

The intense fire was outside the building .... not inside it. These aircraft fully loaded carried about 10,000 US Gallons of Jet A1

That's right! You posted THESE AIRCRAFT FULLY LOADED CARRIED ABOUT 10,000 US GALLONS OF JET A1



So you were wrong...

Now you claim that you were referring to the fuel load and not the maximum capacity...?

Except...

There is only so much heat (energy) in the 2-3000 gallons of Jet A1 left out of the 20.000 in the aircraft, as most of it was ejected on impact and then what remained disappeared down through the broken floors created by the impact, and then poured down the lift shafts and staircases on the undamaged floors below.

So wrong again...

Others have pointed out that you are incapable of admitting you are ever wrong, I'm beginning to see that...

Given that your arguments have more holes than a Swiss Cheese, perhaps you should consider deleting your posts immediately to save leaving such a trail of incriminating evidence...

Or perhaps not posting at all...?

The fuel carried was a total load of 10,000 USG per aircraft ....... I was correct where it mattered. That figure is backed by FEMA and the US Government.

You are like many that regard any view that opposes yours as a 'conspiracy theory' and who nit-pick the trivia once faced with information they cannot explain away!


As for "Others have pointed out that you are incapable of admitting you are ever wrong." I wouid not believe much that LR dishes out in that department! He has spent at least 15 years on a pilgrimage to bring me down ...... because he got caught out in a blatant lie and blamed me for it, and of course my views are mostly the opposite to his.

No, you were clearly wrong, it is in the quotes above this one!

You said the aircraft fully loaded carried 10,000 US Gallons - WRONG!

Then you claimed 2-3000 gallons of Jet A1 left out of the 20.000 - WRONG!

FFS, follow the words with your finger, the words you typed! Surely you must admit on this occasion that you were WRONG!

[Londonrake]

Surely you must admit on this occasion that you were WRONG!

Good luck with that one!

[Londonrake]

I wouid not believe much that LR dishes out in that department! He has spent at least 15 years on a pilgrimage to bring me down ...... because he got caught out in a blatant lie and blamed me for it, and of course my views are mostly the opposite to his.

That's not what happened. Although, because I've had experience of your vindictiveness I'll refrain from going into details. Suffice to say, in order to get a bit of gratuitous pleasure, when things weren't going your way, you did something which to this day I find absolutely despicable. Were you capable I would say you should have been ashamed.

You have a nasty bastard side. Something you've proven with your off-forum activities several times.

As far as "pilgrimage" is concerned - don't flatter yourself. I was always quite welcoming and, given the circumstances, forgive-and-forget on the occasions we met up and got to know each other. To you though that fades into insignificance when it comes to your forum activities - which have always dominated. We're all mostly retired or latter working life insignificants but I think you have a problem with that and forums give you some sort of important self-image concept.

I don't know what you mean by "bring me down". It's just that I've never been willing to sit in the congregation, listening to your all-knowing lecturing from the pulpit, with glowing admiration. A significant part of your output over the years has been hypocritical bullshit or Conspiracy Theory fantasies.

[cyprusgrump]

This is an interesting video...

If you watch the background shots of Gaza you'll see a high-rise building collapse vertically!

'They' must have wired buildings in Gaza with explosives too!

[Robin Hood]

This is an interesting video...

If you watch the background shots of Gaza you'll see a high-rise building collapse vertically!

'They' must have wired buildings in Gaza with explosives too!

The buildings in Gaza are virtually ALL rather poor reinforced concrete and they tend to collapse that way when hit by explosive bombs/missiles or in a ...... less likely ...... controlled demolition.

NIT-PICK ....... all you like the fact was, as I originally said ....... each aircraft carried approx. 10,000 USG of JET-A1 of which 60-80% vaporised and went out of the building as a short lived fire ball, when it used up the available oxygen(Air) within seconds. The remaining fuel lasted at most 10 minutes! Source FEMA report and the US Govt.

[cyprusgrump]

This is an interesting video...

If you watch the background shots of Gaza you'll see a high-rise building collapse vertically!

'They' must have wired buildings in Gaza with explosives too!

The buildings in Gaza are virtually ALL rather poor reinforced concrete and they tend to collapse that way when hit by explosive bombs/missiles or in a ...... less likely ...... controlled demolition.

NIT-PICK ....... all you like the fact was, as I originally said ....... each aircraft carried approx. 10,000 USG of JET-A1 of which 60-80% vaporised and went out of the building as a short lived fire ball, when it used up the available oxygen(Air) within seconds. The remaining fuel lasted at most 10 minutes! Source FEMA report and the US Govt.

But you didn't...

It isn't like I'm claiming something you wrote on a far away forum in the mists of time!

This forum, this thread, probably even on this page!

You typed it, you were wrong on at least two occasions!