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[Maximus]

Just from reading this headline, I knew who the perpetrators were going to be.

Britain, France and the US strongly condemn Pyla attack on UN personnel
https://cyprus-mail.com/2023/08/18/brit ... personnel/

Then I clicked to read the article which further reinforced my beliefs that the Turks and the Turkish Cypriot side are untrustworthy.

The recent attack on UN personnel in Pyla, perpetrated by Turkish Cypriot authorities, is a clear violation of international law, human rights, and diplomatic norms. This condemnable incident highlights the reckless behavior of the Turkish Cypriot authorities and underscores the urgent need for the international community to respond strongly against such actions and to finally end the 50 year long, illegal Turkish occupation of Cyprus.

The UN has a mandate in the buffer zone to maintain peace and security between the two side, but they are there by request and sponsorship from the Greek Cypriot side because they don't feel safe in Cyprus. The UN also has an obligation for the safety of its personnel. By targeting UN personnel in this violent way, the Turkish Cypriot side have demonstrated a blatant disregard for any international obligations. The buffer zone, like the northern part of Cyprus, belongs to the Republic of Cyprus. The Turkish Cypriot authorities have no right to do anything in the buffer zone.

The Turkish Cypriot side have not only put the lives of these dedicated peace keeping individuals at risk but have also jeopardized critical diplomatic efforts to improve relations with the Greek Cypriots. Diplomatic relations are built upon mutual respect and adherence to established protocols and legal norms. The attack on UN personnel in Pyla undermines the foundation of diplomatic relations and displays a hostile approach that goes against the principles of peaceful coexistence and cooperation among nations. Such actions harm the immediate situation on the island but also have wider implications for regional stability. How can you trust an illegal regime anyhow? The Turkish Cypriot side often argue that a two state solution will solve the problem but they cant even stay within their "state" now. The Turkish Cypriot side often demands political equality of the two sides, but always ignores or undermines the Greek Cypriot side whenever they say no. The Turkish Cypriot side often speaks about checks and balances, but just as often try and do as they like. How can you trust a hypocritical illegal regime anyhow?

Cyprus has a long history of ethnic and political divisions, and efforts to find a peaceful resolution to the conflict have been ongoing for decades. This attack on UN personnel further exacerbates tensions and hinders progress towards finding that elusive peaceful settlement. The Turkish Cypriot authorities' actions undermine the credibility of their commitment to peaceful coexistence and dialogue to resolve conflicts. These personnel put their lives at risk to serve the greater good, and this attack on them is an affront to the Turkish Cypriot communities cause because they have demonstrated that they will even attack independent peace keepers. Never mind about a "united Cyprus", how can you trust an unrecognizable illegitimate hypocritical regime anyhow?

This incident has sent a clear message that the Turkish Cypriot side are willing to use violence as a means to achieve their goals, whether within a "united Cyprus" with checks, balances and political equality of the two sides or without. The attack on UN peacekeeping personal is an unacceptable and condemnable act and the international community, including Britain, France, and the US, should stand united in condemning such actions and proceed with a swift and thorough investigation to hold the responsible parties accountable. It is crucial to send a strong message that those who perpetrate such acts will face the consequences of their actions.

Finally, the international community, the permanent members of the security council and the European union should swiftly proceed to hold Turkey to account for the 50 year long illegal occupation of Cyprus, and act with further measures, such as trade embargoes, or other to enforce the UN resolutions and to get Turkish troops out of Cyprus, so the illegal untrustworthy Turkish puppet regime, otherwise known as the "TRNC" can be dismantled.

[Lordo]

What a load of bullshiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. The Turks are building a road to Pile that happens to be inside the buffer zone and the UN, Yanks The Swine and the Frogs object to it and attempted to stop it? Who fackin died and made them road construction police?

I do not normally side with the Turks but this road is being built for TCs. There is a lot of traffic on that road. Another side to this is the fact that there is no official crossing point there but people do mix and trade between themselves quite freely.

As to Turkish Troops on the island, read your constitution you stupid idiot. They are there legally and they will be there even after the agreement. Of course after the agreement most will go back except the 650 who were there in 1960. What ever happened to the 600 Greek officers who were there during the coup on top of the 950 that was there according to the constitution. Were they legal there, like fuck they were.

You can well talk about the UN resolutions. How many resolutions from the UN did you guys implement before 74. While you were attacking the defenseless civilians in Kochina and Kofunye or anywhere else you attacked before 1974 with those lovely tanks you bought back in 1964 and promised not to use them against TCs. Was that promise kept? And not a single Turkish troop in sight back in 64 and then again in 67. What about the 12,000 Greek soldiers who came to the island back in 1964, was that fuckin legal? Like fuck it was.

Let those with no sin throw the first stone. Fuck I though you were a good Christian but you aint even that faximos Get to the back of the que Faximos. Gets some brains before you spout your crap

They can all fuck off where they came from.

On a more pleasant note, I wonder how many of the above will lift a finger to implement any embargoes on Turkey. Lets face it even in 1974 they only implement embargos on arms sales, nothing else. And look at them now, they make tanks, planes and drones.

Final note though is how is it that the new GRoC leader has not even attempted to begin talks? What is he waiting for for pigs to learn to fly.



Enjoy

[Lordo]

Now this shows what fuck up the UN was.

Back in December 63 when GRoC started the assault on the TCs they waited 4 month before passing a resolution and not a word asking GRoC to stop killing TCs.

Nice innit?

186 - 4 March 1964 - Adopted unanimously

Present situation in Cyprus likely to threaten international peace. Calls all member states to refrain from any action that would worsen the situation in the sovereign Republic of Cyprus. Asks the Government of Cyprus to take all additional measures necessary to stop violence and bloodshed in Cyprus.
Recommends the creation, with the consent of the Republic of Cyprus, of a U.N peace keeping force.

With fuckin peace keepers like these cunts, who needs enemies.

It was around this date that GRoC invited 12,000 soldiers to Cyprus dressed as couples make them look like tourists. I guess half the Malakes liked putting on makeup anyway. I bet they even had their tampons at the ready incase they need to fight.

[Maximus]

The buffer zone is an area that belongs the the Republic of Cyprus, under UN mandate to remain free from any development. Construction, by one community over the objections of the other is prohibited.

The recent attack on UN personnel in Pyla, perpetrated by Turkish Cypriot authorities, is a clear violation of international law, human rights, and diplomatic norms.

The Turks are not allowed to build a road or anything in the buffer zone specifically, and in Cyprus in general without the consent of the Greek Cypriots.

This is political equality of the two sides, a sticking point in that elusive settlement that you and the Turkish Cypriot side want and argue for dearly. Do you understand?

[Maximus]

So I decided to go get myself a coffee and head over to youtube for a bit, when this video popped up on the screen.

Some news about the Turkish economy along with a claim that we are seeing the end of Edoganomics. By which point I couldnt help myself and burst out laughing, spitting a mouthful of coffee all over the screen.

Nope, this creator just hasn't got a clue I thought and thats when I got the inspiration to write this.

So now that I have managed to wipe the Nescafe away, let me explain.

The Turkish government are untrustworthy.

Erdogan's economic policies have been characterized by unpredictability and inconsistency. His administration has made frequent changes in economic policies, including monetary policy decisions and interventions in currency markets. This inconsistency undermines investors' ability to make informed decisions and plan for the long term. You can only trust the untrustworthy track record that is the Turkish government.

Let me elaborate.

An independent central bank is crucial for maintaining financial stability and credibility. When political considerations influence central bank decisions, like they do in Turkey, investors fear that monetary policies won't be based on sound economic principles but rather on short-term political gains. Which is what Erdogan is all about. For the past decade, Erdogan has interfered with the central banks decision making, even out right making the decisions himself.

Investors require a stable legal framework to safeguard their investments and ensure that their rights will be respected. But as we can see within Turkey and elsewhere in the nearby region, there is not much of that emanating from the Turks. In fact, the majority of Turks themselves dont trust their own political institutions. The erosion of the rule of law, free speech and democracy and the corruption of the police force for Erdogans petty personal interest is real thing that hasnt gone away.

So how can you trust the Turks with your money when the Turks themselves dont trust Turks with their money?

You shouldn't, the currency continues to depreciate faster than a used car running on rampant inflation and Islamic 95. Even the citizenry is hording gold under their mattresses to hedge against Erdogomania. But this is not new, Turkey's currency has always been on a downward spiral, ever since the times of Ozman Gazi.

My point is, the Turks are untrustworthy, even with financial matters and this is no way the end of Erdoganomics.

[repulsewarrior]

Dear Max,

...you may be entirely correct, but as Cypriots let's not generalise; who can be trusted: there is a big difference between "Cypriot Turks" and Turkish Cypriots.

"Greeks" may still exist, but their coup (read: invasion) failed; Greeks are lucky as such and as Cypriots 'we' have "Turkishness", now, as the same adversary.

...in 'our' own country, 'we' should not be leaving Turkish Cypriots to fight such a threat alone, don't you think?

What more can Erdogan do to cause outrage but "picnics" on 'our' Beaches?

...now it is the UN "they" have turned to (read: against). To 'us' the threat is even clearer; what is to be done?

ENOSIS Max is the only solution, to take back the word from "Them", to "be" Cypriot, to join with other Cypriots, to call a "Turk" a "Turk", a "Greek" a "Greek", as Citizens of the World (as Individuals) to defend these values.

...act accordingly.

...and not to be so hateful not unlike "Them", 'we' may be eating souvla together soon.

...as you've demonstrated, consider in Turkey herself, (or in the Ukraine,) what "This" does; what a wave that could be caused by 'our' example, exposing those against 'us' (read: our very existence)?

(picnics of our own)

Cypriots thus are not few and insignificant; why else do ''They'' keep 'us' apart?

[Maximus]

How can you see what I have written as hateful, when all I have stated is facts and truth while a UN peacekeepers got exposed to violence and punched in the face?

[repulsewarrior]

Dear Lordo,

Sadly you are making excuses for a regime which has no intention to do Turkish Cypriots any good.

...i see the point you are making, but such a "mentality" has left us all, not just Cypriots questioning (again) "your" credibility; why is the so called TRNC, "so called".

It is not surprising actually, this incident; it is one on a long list. What surprises me is that "it" hasn't been figured out yet; things remain just as they are, so far.

...you too, maybe "be" more careful, more clear (read: thoughtful). Reject the (read: "their") mythic reality, choose your words wisely; you Cypriot?

[Maximus]

Lordo's credibility?

Our resident einplonkenstein really said, "I do not normally side with the Turks but......"



Oh please, spare me from the lies......that's such an untrustworthy statement.

[repulsewarrior]

How can you see what I have written as hateful, when all I have stated is facts and truth while a UN peacekeepers got exposed to violence and punched in the face?

...no Max i do not call you Hateful; i am asking you to be more careful, not to speak hatefully: as i said, Turkish Cypriots are not "Cypriot Turks", (not all Greeks are "Greeks" either), 'we' need to stop "This".