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[Maximus]

You refuse to answer and try to divert with questions and other tactics and expect me to answer you?

i got my answer anyway and I know what you are all about.

[repulsewarrior]

Fuck off you stupid boy.

Annan plan was approved by the TCs by voting 65% yes last time I looked.

Fuck off and go clean some toilets.

It is an interesting question; would this plan work with Turkish Cypriots representing the majority and the 'others' the minorit(ies)y that live among them?

...and from what i understand from the reactions of tourists from Turkey i read, already, they note a significant population living in the "north" not like "them"; not "Greek" but ''African", and, unlike Turkey.

In any case, looking forward, what is the future will not look like anything from 'our' past, the change from "Thisness'' as we can see is difficult, filled with much regret and/or denial.

(...and if it is that "Thisness'' wins forget about Freedom, as an Individual you will not have it, nor will you have Peace being one of "Them" always at war.)

...obviously none of us have a clear understanding of this History; i wish my perspective is definitive wanting to be helpful but it is not. In any case, what 'we' have been fed as the facts is not transparent nor are the intentions.

[Lordo]

Fuck off you stupid boy.

Annan plan was approved by the TCs by voting 65% yes last time I looked.

Fuck off and go clean some toilets.

It is an interesting question; would this plan work with Turkish Cypriots representing the majority and the 'others' the minorit(ies)y that live among them?

...and from what i understand from the reactions of tourists from Turkey i read, already, they note a significant population living in the "north" not like "them"; not "Greek" but ''African", and, unlike Turkey.

In any case, looking forward, what is the future will not look like anything from 'our' past, the change from "Thisness'' as we can see is difficult, filled with much regret and/or denial.

(...and if it is that "Thisness'' wins forget about Freedom, as an Individual you will not have it, nor will you have Peace being one of "Them" always at war.)

...obviously none of us have a clear understanding of this History; i wish my perspective is definitive wanting to be helpful but it is not. In any case, what 'we' have been fed as the facts is not transparent nor are the intentions.

I would like you to tell me one item which you feel it gave too much to the Turks or TCs with either of the plans in 2004 or in 2017 RW.

We have no need to go round and round in circles. Hit the nail on the head.

[repulsewarrior]

...i was against the Annan Plan because it left questions like the Turkish Army's withdrawal uncertain requiring the best of Turkey's Goodwill.

...i was against the Referendum, because like the Treaty of Zurich it was left unclear; Annan V had neither been discussed or debated, it was unread for the most part: not a Constitution that is clear, easy to understand, and easy to read.

...i am against any plan which defines me not as an Individual without further distinction or discrimination, but a "Greek", or a "Turk".

Cyprus lives.

...in affect Akinci should have stood up for 'us', knowing what "Turks" are but he did not.

(Cypriot lives matter)

[repulsewarrior]

cyprus31695.html?hilit=manifesto

...the manifesto thingy comes to mind.

[Maximus]

Just one item bordo?

Although Greeks make up 77 % of Cyprus' population and Turks only 18 %, the Annan Plan gives both ethnic groups equal representation in the Senate and Supreme Court, with 50 % of the seats each, turning the majority into a minority in the most important decision-making centres.
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/do ... 13_EN.html

I can give you two

absolves Turkey of all responsibility for the invasion of Cyprus, the murder, rape and pillaging, the destruction of property and churches and the ethnic cleansing of almost 200 000 Greek Cypriots; and allows Turkey to maintain its troops in Cyprus indefinitely, thereby making full independence impossible; disregards the provisions of the 1949 Geneva Convention prohibiting colonisation by an occupying power;

Ok, and because you love geneva conventions and refugees, here is a third one just for you

The plan also places restrictions on the right to free settlement by Greek Cypriots wishing to return to their homes in the Turkish-occupied north of the country. Greek Cypriot refugees returning to regions under Turkish administration would not enjoy civil rights, as political representatives of the Turkish Cypriot State can be elected only by Turkish Cypriots.

Now, YOU tell us why you wouldn't implement the Annan plan in the Turkish Cypriot federated state only when 65% of the Turkish Cypriots voted yes to peace?

[Lordo]

...i was against the Annan Plan because it left questions like the Turkish Army's withdrawal uncertain requiring the best of Turkey's Goodwill.

...i was against the Referendum, because like the Treaty of Zurich it was left unclear; Annan V had neither been discussed or debated, it was unread for the most part: not a Constitution that is clear, easy to understand, and easy to read.

...i am against any plan which defines me not as an Individual without further distinction or discrimination, but a "Greek", or a "Turk".

Cyprus lives.

...in affect Akinci should have stood up for 'us', knowing what "Turks" are but he did not.

(Cypriot lives matter)

First of all international agreements do not work on good will, it works on clauses and everybody has to adhere to the clauses.

From 2004 to 2019, in a phased manner all the TA would have left except the 650 which is part of the RoC constitution.

The important thing to bear in mind is who would deal with security once the TA is gone. They were going to set up a Federal Level police force to take care of security if it involved cross community crime. As this police force started to do it's duties, the more it worked, the more of the TA would leave. With the last lot in 2019.
The propose of politicians and lawyers is to explain to us minions what it all means. It was published and it was discussed. As to the Zurich Agreement it was clear as daylight. There was nothing unclear about it. You may claim it gave too much to the TCs but it was very clearly spelt out. One thing wrong was the fact that the TC sector was unable to support itself. They could not even pay for a teacher to teach in every school. This was pointed out to them. Kuchuk decided to tax the TCs a little extra for educations and Makarios wanted a cut of that collected tax. In the meantime Makarios was told clearly that TCs are having financial difficulties and if GCs do not help they will turn to Turkey for financial help with all obvious consequences that entailed. Makarios was simply said so long as we don't pay for it, I do not care who does.
As to Annan plan there were plenty of discussions on TV except those objecting to the plan were given far more credibility. The pro-Annan speakers were laughed at by the presenters. The presenter of a show is supposed not to take sides. When people attended meeting for Pro-Annan they were attcaked and their vehicles were damaged. After the vote the EU spoke-person in Cyprus said they could not believe what took place in the RoC. It was all one sided.

Like I said before this does not involve good will. It involves signing an agreement that is implementable and measurable. If the Federal Police was unable to offer TCs security or justice when in the GRoC, of course the TA was not going to leave.

[repulsewarrior]

...indeed, it is a hard question to answer because where there will be a Turkish Army, there will be a Greek.

Any Plan that defines us as anything but Individuals first, as Cypriots, Free, will not work.

Neither "Greekness" or "Turkishness" has been good to 'us', just look at the results; as Cypriots and our respective dysfunction 'we' survive "Their" Imperialism.

...commenting on Max's post

[Maximus]

...i was against the Annan Plan because it left questions like the Turkish Army's withdrawal uncertain requiring the best of Turkey's Goodwill.

...i was against the Referendum, because like the Treaty of Zurich it was left unclear; Annan V had neither been discussed or debated, it was unread for the most part: not a Constitution that is clear, easy to understand, and easy to read.

...i am against any plan which defines me not as an Individual without further distinction or discrimination, but a "Greek", or a "Turk".

Cyprus lives.

...in affect Akinci should have stood up for 'us', knowing what "Turks" are but he did not.

(Cypriot lives matter)

First of all international agreements do not work on good will, it works on clauses and everybody has to adhere to the clauses.

From 2004 to 2019, in a phased manner all the TA would have left except the 650 which is part of the RoC constitution.

The important thing to bear in mind is who would deal with security once the TA is gone. They were going to set up a Federal Level police force to take care of security if it involved cross community crime. As this police force started to do it's duties, the more it worked, the more of the TA would leave. With the last lot in 2019.
The propose of politicians and lawyers is to explain to us minions what it all means. It was published and it was discussed. As to the Zurich Agreement it was clear as daylight. There was nothing unclear about it. You may claim it gave too much to the TCs but it was very clearly spelt out. One thing wrong was the fact that the TC sector was unable to support itself. They could not even pay for a teacher to teach in every school. This was pointed out to them. Kuchuk decided to tax the TCs a little extra for educations and Makarios wanted a cut of that collected tax. In the meantime Makarios was told clearly that TCs are having financial difficulties and if GCs do not help they will turn to Turkey for financial help with all obvious consequences that entailed. Makarios was simply said so long as we don't pay for it, I do not care who does.
As to Annan plan there were plenty of discussions on TV except those objecting to the plan were given far more credibility. The pro-Annan speakers were laughed at by the presenters. The presenter of a show is supposed not to take sides. When people attended meeting for Pro-Annan they were attcaked and their vehicles were damaged. After the vote the EU spoke-person in Cyprus said they could not believe what took place in the RoC. It was all one sided.

Like I said before this does not involve good will. It involves signing an agreement that is implementable and measurable. If the Federal Police was unable to offer TCs security or justice when in the GRoC, of course the TA was not going to leave.

All that waffle to say the Annan plan was a piece of dog shit that needing a lot of spin by liers and deceivers to sell it to the Greek Cypriot community.

And you expected some Greek Cypriot elites to do Turkeys shilling for her unchecked.

What a mong.

[Lordo]

Just one item bordo?

You stupid cunt, but I will answer you one time and then I shall fuckin ignore you

Although Greeks make up 77 % of Cyprus' population and Turks only 18 %, the Annan Plan gives both ethnic groups equal representation in the Senate and Supreme Court, with 50 % of the seats each, turning the majority into a minority in the most important decision-making centres.
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/do ... 13_EN.html

Yep and that's how the federal structure works. If you look at America, a state with less than half a million voters gets the same number of seats as a state with 30 million voters in the senate. Get over it it is called federal structure.

Supreme court is the same. Just like back in 1960. One each and a German Judge as the third person. And he left Cyprus after Makarios told him he will ignore the supreme court decision.

I can give you two

absolves Turkey of all responsibility for the invasion of Cyprus, the murder, rape and pillaging, the destruction of property and churches and the ethnic cleansing of almost 200 000 Greek Cypriots; and allows Turkey to maintain its troops in Cyprus indefinitely, thereby making full independence impossible; disregards the provisions of the 1949 Geneva Convention prohibiting colonisation by an occupying power;

It also absolved all GCs and TCs for all their atrocities and the Greek Soldiers too. That's what agreements are for, to draw a line under the troubles and move forward. The TA would have been out of Cyprus by 2019 according to the Annan plan. As to GC refugees there were 160,000 GCs and 60,000 TC refugees.

Ok, and because you love geneva conventions and refugees, here is a third one just for you

The plan also places restrictions on the right to free settlement by Greek Cypriots wishing to return to their homes in the Turkish-occupied north of the country.
Indeed it put restriction on who can settle in their homes but you are too stupid to realise that afte 40 odd years hardly that many people would want to return. In your stupid mind you think that all 160,000 will want to return,
Greek Cypriot refugees returning to regions under Turkish administration would not enjoy civil rights, as political representatives of the Turkish Cypriot State can be elected only by Turkish Cypriots.
Correct so as to stop cunts like you flooding the north and taking over. The idea is to have peace and let people enjoy their properties not start another war. Even in the UK even if you have 3 houses in different parts of the the UK you are only allowed one vote. Any GC who has property in the south will certainly not be allowed to vote in the north too. Fuck sake how long did it take the RoC to allow TCs who live in the south to vote in the elections and only after they were taken to European Court. Talk of calling the kettle black.
In the mean time tell me which clause in the UN Refugee Convention it says that Refugees must be allowed to return to their homes and even if it did, having settled in another country and have a life and family there how many would wish to return.

There was a formula that would be applied to both sides whether they got return or compensation or even an alternative house in the place required for the original owner or the occupier. You can't come in tell somebody after living there for 40 years get out this is my house. How it eas going to be done was in the plan

Now, YOU tell us why you wouldn't implement the Annan plan in the Turkish Cypriot federated state only when 65% of the Turkish Cypriots voted yes to peace?

If I told you once I told you a thousand time. Where did I say I would not implement the Annan plan fully. You stupid cunt. You and the other cunt friends of your keep making things as to what I say. By all means post the thread where I said what you claim I said.

This will be the last post I do for all you three cunts on this forum.