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[Maximus]

I have just put the finishing touches together for the next installment to address some common widespread perceptions that the Turkish Cypriot administration is untrustworthy.

Unilateral declarations and persistence for recognition:

This move was made without the consent of the internationally recognized Republic of Cyprus or the international community. Apparently, according to the Turkish Cypriots themselves, both communities are equal and have a veto against such important national matters since the 1960 agreements. The United Nations Security Council (UNSC) condemned the declaration as legally invalid in Resolution 541 and 550, reaffirming the sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus over the entire island. This blatant disregard for international law raises questions about the Turkish Cypriot administration's commitment to law and order and a just settlement in Cyprus.

Turkish military presence and Influence:

The Turkish Cypriot economy heavily relies on financial aid and support from Turkey. While this assistance is essential for the economic stability of the occupied area, it also creates a situation where the Turkish Cypriot administration may feel beholden to the Turkish government's interests. On the other hand, lifting the embargoes also contributes in perpetuating the problem in general. This financial dependence on Turkey compromises Turkish Cypriots ability to act independently in negotiations, casting doubt on their trustworthiness as a negotiating partner. While easing Turkish financial influence by lifting of the embargoes, will provide the incentives to not return to the negotiating table at all.

Obstruction of property rights:

Another contentious issue is the Turkish Cypriot administration's policies regarding property rights. Many Greek Cypriots who were displaced during the conflict have been denied access to their homes, and had their places of worship converted to mosques. The European Court of Human Rights has ruled in favor of property owners in numerous cases, yet the Turkish Cypriot administration often fails to implement these decisions fully. Turkey, who is basically running the northern part of the island is obliged to implement ECHR rulings. This pattern of obstruction and right of return undermines trust in their commitment to addressing the property issue, a crucial aspect of any comprehensive settlement.

Political equality polarization

Political equality, as envisioned in the various peace plans and how it is understood for Cyprus by the Turkish Cypriot community, is an attempt to represent both Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots in a future federal state fairly. However, in practice, their aim is to create a system where both communities are treated as equals numerically when they are not. In the real world, such attempts to create balance creates an imbalance that dilutes and marginalizes the political voice of Greek Cypriots who are an overwhelming majority. This was already tried and it was abused by the Turkish Cypriots and it lead to the civil unrest in the 60's.

Turkish security guarantees

While the Turkish Cypriot insistence on Turkish security guarantees may be seen as a protective measure by some, it has significant negative consequences. It undermines the sovereignty of Cyprus, inhibits the peace process, and perpetuates the legacy of conflict. Greek Cypriots view the Turkish guarantees as a threat to their safety and security and a hindrance to reconciliation in general. The insistence on these guarantees has historically prevented progress in negotiations and contributing to the perception that the Turkish Cypriot administration is not genuinely interested in being Cypriot and for Cyprus. Contrasted to this, the Greek Cypriots and the other two guarantors of Cyprus's independence and territorial integrity, they are in favor of rescinding all notions of these anachronistic security guarantees.

[Lordo]

Lets put some meat on these bones shall we.

Dengtash set up KTFD - Kibris Turk Federe Devleti in 1975
GRoc had no intention of even sitting in the same room as the TC negotiators. What was it one of the GRoC President's said. If Dentgtash wants to speak to me he is entitled to come to my office.

Back in 1978, UN and the TCs offered Varosha to GCs so as to sit in the same room as the TCs with no other consequences. First they accepted and when they spoke to the Russian Ambassador, they declined the offer.

Few years later they started to sit in the same room

In the meantime here is a list of ideas rejected by GCs.

1) 1948: Consultative Assembly: GCs rejected it.
2) 1955-56: Harding proposals: GCs rejected them.
3) 1956: Ratcliffe Constitution: GCs rejected it.
4) 1958: Macmillan Plan: GCs rejected it.
5) 1959-60: Zurich-London Agreements: GCs rejected them in 1963 (through the efforts to amend the Constitution) although they initially accepted them.
6) 1964: Acheson Plan: GCs rejected it.
7) 1972: Agreement of Clerides-Denktaş: GCs rejected it.
8- 1975: Bi-communal Arrangement: GCs rejected it.
9) 1978: Anglo-American Canadian Plan: GCs rejected it.
10) 1981: Evaluation of Waldheim: GCs rejected it.
11) 1983: Indicators of Perez de Cuellar: GCs rejected them.
12) 1985-86: Consolidated Documents of Perez de Cuellar: GCs rejected them.
13) 1992: Set of Ideas, Boutros Boutros-Ghali: GCs rejected them in 1993.
14) 1997: Kofi Annan’s proposals at Troutbeck-Glion: They could not go through.
15) 2002-2004: Annan Plan: GCs rejected it”
16) 2017 - Crans Montana GCs run for the hills.

Now shove this in your pipe boy and shove ittttttttttaaa.

[Maximus]

Your reply is more like a Chinese menu bordo with a special guest at the end for some entertainment.

[Lordo]

I may as well post here what Bashigosti used to play for the TCs from 21st December 1963 to 20th of July 1974 and then draggada it stopped.
I wonder why? Can anybody explain it?

[Lordo]

I guess I may also post my friend Hamza's song, the one talking about the oppression the Cypriots suffered in the hands of the ottomans.

[Lordo]

And this is equally valid.



We may be heading for extinction because of your stupidity but you will not be able to stop your own eventual extinction from Cyprus too.

Dünyanın üzerinde kurulu direk
Emek zay olmadan sızlar mı yürek
Ali yar . sızlar mı yürek
Bu düzeni kim kurmuş bizler de bilek
Söyle canım söyle dinlesin canlar, dinlesin canlar

[repulsewarrior]

I am done with waiting.

...join me.

haha Acheson plan, you should do your homework.

...as for the rest of the list, please provide your source, i don't see it that way.

[repulsewarrior]

...let's be clear Max, you speak of the usurpers, those who call themselves ''Cypriot Turks''.

Cypriots those Turkish, should not find themselves fighting "Them" alone.

[Lordo]

I am done with waiting.

...join me.

haha Acheson plan, you should do your homework.

...as for the rest of the list, please provide your source, i don't see it that way.

I thought this was accepted by all. Number 16 is from me, but the rest was by Nicos Rolandis, the ex Foreign Minister of Cyprus “Peace moves rejected by Greek Cypriots” article.

The really correct thing to do here RW is to specify which one was not rejected by GC leadership and was rejected by TC leadership.

Interestingly Makarios promptly rejected the plan, saying that a sovereign Turkish base on the island would limit enosis and give Ankara too much say in Cyprus’ affairs. Has the British Bases in anyway interfered with the Cyprus affairs. Can you spot the pattern. He did not want just some enosis, he wanted full enosis. So he fucked the country up good and proper.

In 1964, US president Lyndon Johnson tasked Dean Acheson, a former secretary of state, to see how the Cyprus problem could be solved.

Johnson was concerned that instability (intercommunal violence) on the strategically-located island could lead to war between Greece and Turkey – the US’s allies in Nato – and so weaken the alliance’s south-eastern flank.

The resulting “Acheson Plan” envisaged the union of Cyprus and Greece, while up to three cantons would be established for the Turkish Cypriots, over which they would have full administrative control.

Turkey would be able to establish a large sovereign military base in the Karpas in perpetuity.

Archbishop Makarios – Cyprus’ president and the Greek Cypriot leader –promptly rejected the plan, saying that a sovereign Turkish base on the island would limit enosis and give Ankara too much say in Cyprus’ affairs.

The US swiftly revised its proposals: Turkey would instead have a 50-year lease on a smaller base and which would not be sovereign. This time, the proposals were rejected by both Turkey and by the Greek Cypriots, who believed it called for a modified form of partition.

Let us also not forget when back in 1960 to 63 Makarios was told that the TCs could not manage on the financial arrangements made by the constitution and Turkey would help them financially gaining undue influence on them he replied he did not care who helped TCs so long as it was not GCs.

So instead he forced the TCs not only to have to ask for financial help from Turkey, he then went on a turkey shoot to force them to accept military help where every enclave had a Turkish Soldier in control of the enclave.

Fuck man, RW it is about time GCs woke up from this fuckin deep sleep they have been having since 1955.

[Lordo]

It is strange that idiots on this forum when confronted by the facts instead of dealing with the facts they criticize the poster or the the way post is presented.
Not only has he not got a clue, the then blames the TCs for siding with Turkey. Talk of blaming the fuckin victim. TCs are being victimised to this day because of Turkey's actins. If the west had balls they would apply the embargoes on Turkey not the TCs.

Fuck off Faximosmenos back to your toilet where your duties await you and the same to the cunt with a bucket over his head.