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[Lordo]

These are the facts I remember from the Crans-Montana talks.

1. Anastasiades asked to be allowed to visit Greek Foreign Minister during the talks so he left the talks for a week.
2. I suspect the Greek Foreign Minister had talks with the Russian Foreign Minister before talking to Anastasiades.
3. Anastasiades returns to the talks and soon after talks collapse.

RW claimed it was because Akinci crapped in his pants and could not say no to Turkey so too many concessions were given to Turkey. On the other hand I remember Anastasiades changing his stance of Guarantees and TA and asked for them to be gone on the first day instead of a phased withdrawal.

Now here is some real evidence from somebody who was there?
Has anybody read this book? I have finally found one a friend of mine has and intend to read it asap.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Crime-Crans-Montana-sabotaged-reunite-undermined/dp/9963631169/ref=sr_1_1?crid=12CICPI5RYAG8&keywords=Makarios+drousiotis+Crans+montana+book&qid=1693047985&sprefix=makarios+drousiotis+crans+montana+book%2Caps%2C82&sr=8-1

Crime at Crans-Montana:

How Russia sabotaged a deal to reunite Cyprus, undermined NATO and lured Turkey away from the West

Paperback – 20 July 2023 by Makarios Drousiotis (Author)

In the summer of 2017 Greek and Turkish Cypriot leaders met under UN auspices at the Swiss resort of Crans-Montana together with representatives from Greece, Turkey and Britain, in order to hammer out the final aspects of a deal that would solve the decades-old Cyprus problem. But at the last minute the deal was scuppered, killing off what may well have been the last realistic effort to unite the island.

This book reveals the truth of what happened and shines a light on the role that Russia played in sabotaging the agreement. Drawing on eye witness accounts and documented evidence, Drousiotis, once an advisor to the Cypriot president and now his biggest critic, uses his insider knowledge and experience to tell a damning story. He exposes Russia’s interest in keeping the island divided as a thorn in NATO relations and describes how the Cypriot political elite allowed itself to be corrupted and manipulated in a dangerous plot that has all but destroyed the hopes of the people to see their island reunited.

So much for Akinci crapping his pants.

Has anybody here read this book?

[repulsewarrior]

...Lordo, do you remember Akinci's election day and the angry phone call? I do. And from that day i had hopes that he would speak for 'us'; but he did not.

...indeed he ridiculed Anastasiades for "wearing two hats"; what does it say about him wearing no hat and keeping the "Turkish" hat beside him?

Nothing at Crans-Montana was refused, but the right for Cypriots to call themselves Cypriot, something "Greeks" and "Turks" have tried very hard to end decades now.

...indeed, the Turkish Army (its illegal regime) plays a central role in that; protecting those for "Turkishness", oppressing those who are not.

[Lordo]

...Lordo, do you remember Akinci's election day and the angry phone call? I do. And from that day i had hopes that he would speak for 'us'; but he did not.

...indeed he ridiculed Anastasiades for "wearing two hats"; what does it say about him wearing no hat and keeping the "Turkish" hat beside him?

Nothing at Crans-Montana was refused, but the right for Cypriots to call themselves Cypriot, something "Greeks" and "Turks" have tried very hard to end decades now.

...indeed, the Turkish Army (its illegal regime) plays a central role in that; protecting those for "Turkishness", oppressing those who are not.

Wait and see what went on in the background. You will see that Anastasiades had his bags packed before the talks collapsed.

Cypriot political elite allowed itself to be corrupted and manipulated in a dangerous plot t

Drousiotis has the inside knowledge. I have read two of his other books about 10 to 74. They are incredible.

[repulsewarrior]

I do not deny the corruption that abounds, and among the political elites, among the educated it is, it seems, a way of life: this "Greekness", and this "Turkishness".

...but not the People, and not the youth; they don't follow these dogmas (as they are expected to, some question such Authority) "being'' 'Citizens of the World': Free Movement, Free Association, Free Speech, are (more) important to them.

...it is an old problem, the Problem; Lest we Forget, 'we' should know better.

[Lordo]

...Lordo, do you remember Akinci's election day and the angry phone call? I do. And from that day i had hopes that he would speak for 'us'; but he did not.

...indeed he ridiculed Anastasiades for "wearing two hats"; what does it say about him wearing no hat and keeping the "Turkish" hat beside him?

Nothing at Crans-Montana was refused, but the right for Cypriots to call themselves Cypriot, something "Greeks" and "Turks" have tried very hard to end decades now.

...indeed, the Turkish Army (its illegal regime) plays a central role in that; protecting those for "Turkishness", oppressing those who are not.

Wait and see what went on in the background. You will see that Anastasiades had his bags packed before the talks collapsed.

Cypriot political elite allowed itself to be corrupted and manipulated in a dangerous plot t

Drousiotis has the inside knowledge. I have read two of his other books about 60 to 74. They are incredible.

..

[Lordo]

I do not deny the corruption that abounds, and among the political elites, among the educated it is, it seems, a way of life: this "Greekness", and this "Turkishness".

...but not the People, and not the youth; they don't follow these dogmas (as they are expected to, some question such Authority) "being'' 'Citizens of the World': Free Movement, Free Association, Free Speech, are (more) important to them.

...it is an old problem, the Problem; Lest we Forget, 'we' should know better.

This is not just any old corruption RW. Nasty left the talks to meet Kotsias and Kotsias had spoken to Lavrov. On his return all hell broke loose because it suited the Russian interests to keep tension between Turkey and Greece and they were also able to prize Turkey 10 degrees out of Nato too as well as kill the talks. It is this that is going to be explained.

[repulsewarrior]

...who's narrative are you supporting?

[Lordo]

...who's narrative are you supporting?

There is only one, I tried to get to the truth of the matter. Drousiotis is an excellent Historian/Writer. His books are properly researched and referenced.
On the other side we have Uludag and Kizilyurek. You cannot go wrong with them. They all do proper research.

[Lordo]

How he does his research right?

He was asked how he managed to start working with Anastasiades and he then alluded to the fact that Anastasiades had said that bringing in Drousiotis was his biggest mistake.

[Lordo]

Tufan Erhurman announcement:

There has been talk for some time about a 14-point "opening plan" of Mr. Christodoulides for the Turkish Cypriots.
Of course, we are not sure of the accuracy, but especially regarding the citizenship rights of our children whose parents are of Turkish origin (or born), some limitations or "conditions" stand out in the news, such as the fact that the parents' marriage took place in a country other than the TRNC or that the parents met during their education.
I hope that there will be no question of creating new human rights problems because he will solve an open human rights problem. No one has the right to impose ridiculous criteria for the recognition of our children's human rights, such as where the marriage is held or where their parents met and married!
Tufan Erhurman

Has anybody heard of this 14 point plan. I hope one of them is not Turkish Army and Guarantees should be removed on day one.