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[Maximus]

I know you would implement the Annan plan fully but you would not implement it in just the Turkish Cypriot federated state.

You have gone to great length to avoid answering the question or to appear to answer it.

The question was,

Would you implement it in the Turkish Cypriot federated state only?

And the answer is no, you wouldn't, there is no way you would give Greek Cypriots 50% representation in the "TRNC". And accept the Turkish Cypriots to have the same restrictions in the Greek Cypriot federated state but the Greek Cypriots become "TRNC" citizens automatically and have full freedom of movement. Just like the TC's and the settlers would have become " EU citizens" and enjoyed full rights and freedom of movement across the whole EU.

So why are you expecting the Greek Cypriots to accept all this in their state?

[repulsewarrior]

...replying to you Lordo, your question to me.

...ask yourself, why was Turkey's membership stalled; it was because they did not follow the Protocol they had signed with the EU which allowed Cypriot owned or flagged ships to dock at Turkish Ports.

...let's take a look at Pyla, even if it is a small example it demonstrates very clearly the "Turkish" mentality.

...and let's remember who nominated Turkey for membership in the first place; Greece and Cyprus demonstrate their Goodwill


I think the point Max is making is that the Annan Plan was not a good plan because it cannot be used as a template for a BBF in any situation like in Cyprus; Turkey, or the Ukraine, where "This" problem exists come to mind.

...'we' should trust in ourselves as people, Cypriots made the right choice, and in terms of population the majority of Cypriots voted no because they seek for something better.

[Lordo]

I know you would implement the Annan plan fully but you would not implement it in just the Turkish Cypriot federated state.

You have gone to great length to avoid answering the question or to appear to answer it.

The question was,

Would you implement it in the Turkish Cypriot federated state only?

And the answer is no, you wouldn't, there is no way you would give Greek Cypriots 50% representation in the "TRNC". And accept the Turkish Cypriots to have the same restrictions in the Greek Cypriot federated state but the Greek Cypriots become "TRNC" citizens automatically and have full freedom of movement. Just like the TC's would have become " EU citizens" and enjoyed full rights and freedom of movement across the whole EU.

So why are you expecting the Greek Cypriots to accept all this in their state?

Boy you are fuckin dense, Read the plan. I would implement the plan fully. What more do you need. If it says allow 50% GCs representation move north and have their full rights, than that's what it will be.

Is that what it says in the plan?

[Lordo]

https://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus31695.html?hilit=manifesto

...the manifesto thingy comes to mind.

No no no not your manifesto again RW.

[repulsewarrior]

https://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus31695.html?hilit=manifesto

...the manifesto thingy comes to mind.

No no no not your manifesto again RW.

...taking a walk down memory lane can be refreshing.

[Lordo]

Anyway here is some text we can all understand, even manchild.

The Plan envisaged a Supreme Court comprising an equal number of Cypriot judges from the two communities and an unspecified number of foreign judges appointed by the UN. This was similar to the Supreme Court established by the 1960 Constitution, where an external judge held the ‘swing vote’, and to provisions in the 1995 Dayton Accords in Bosnia-Herzegovina, but it went against the grain of preferring domestic judges for domestic courts. The Court would have powers to settle disagreements over the new constitution, including the resolution of disputes within the federal level of government and between the federal and constituent state levels.

The issue of displaced persons was a central part of the plan. Turkish Cypriots viewed property rights within the confines of ‘bizonality’, interpreted to mean a markedly restricted right of restitution for Greek Cypriot properties in the future Turkish Cypriot constituent state.39 During the negotiations, the UN mediators argued that International norms since WWII favoured a settlement based on respect for individual rights but also took into consideration that the main contentious events in Cyprus had occurred 30 to 40 years previously; since then, roughly half of Turkish Cypriots and a third of Greek Cypriots had rebuilt their lives.40 In general terms, the Plan offered displaced Greek Cypriots hailing from the future Turkish Cypriot state restitution of about a third of their property, with compensation for the rest. To further reduce Turkish Cypriot apprehensions about the resettlement of Greek Cypriots under Turkish Cypriot administration, the Plan de-linked political rights from residency.

Unusually for federations, the upper chamber (the Senate) was to be elected not by voters in the two regions but by voters in the two communities, voting separately. In addition, the franchise for the lower federal chamber (Chamber of Deputies) was to be based on ‘internal constituent state citizenship’, a status regulated by each of the constituent states. Voting for constituent state and local institutions was to be based on ‘permanent residency’, a status that was also, presumably, to be regulated by each of the constituent states, but subject to the European acquis with respect to nationals of other EU states

[Maximus]

Yeah einplonkenstein,

When Americans give a veto to blacks or the native Americans, you might be on to something.

[Maximus]

I know you would implement the Annan plan fully but you would not implement it in just the Turkish Cypriot federated state.

You have gone to great length to avoid answering the question or to appear to answer it.

The question was,

Would you implement it in the Turkish Cypriot federated state only?

And the answer is no, you wouldn't, there is no way you would give Greek Cypriots 50% representation in the "TRNC". And accept the Turkish Cypriots to have the same restrictions in the Greek Cypriot federated state but the Greek Cypriots become "TRNC" citizens automatically and have full freedom of movement. Just like the TC's would have become " EU citizens" and enjoyed full rights and freedom of movement across the whole EU.

So why are you expecting the Greek Cypriots to accept all this in their state?

Boy you are fuckin dense, Read the plan. I would implement the plan fully. What more do you need. If it says allow 50% GCs representation move north and have their full rights, than that's what it will be.

Is that what it says in the plan?

no, I thought you had read it.

[repulsewarrior]

Yeah einplonkenstein,

When Americans give a veto to blacks or the native Americans, you might be on to something.

...to be more precise, it would be when Americans give Whites over the rest a veto; "Whites" being in the American context the minority that has special benefits already, seeking the privileges of discrimination too.

[Lordo]

...replying to you Lordo, your question to me.

...ask yourself, why was Turkey's membership stalled; it was because they did not follow the Protocol they had signed with the EU which allowed Cypriot owned or flagged ships to dock at Turkish Ports.
You seem to take bits of history that suits you and ignore the rest. Without recognising RoC how would Turkey be able to open up the ports? protocol or no protocol. Was there any way of opening the ports for RoC without opening Ercan and Magusa port? Yeah sure and pigs will fly but the Turks you always blame.

...let's take a look at Pyla, even if it is a small example it demonstrates very clearly the "Turkish" mentality.
As to Pila, you are jumping around like a headless chicken. We are talking about upgrading a road into a village which has not moved away and is a model of how Cyprus can be, in which GC and TC are living in reasonable peaceful environment. I have never seen the UN in any part of the world parking their vehicles in front of construction equipment to stop them working. Why? Because they did not get permission. The UN can go fuck themselves. If a builder promises to build a house for you and 50 years later the house ain't built it is time to send them packing.

...and let's remember who nominated Turkey for membership in the first place; Greece and Cyprus demonstrate their Goodwill
You have to look a little deeper as to why anybody does anything. Do you not remember Papadopoullos saying once Turkey is in the process of joining we will be able to demand more from them. But when RoC went on a war path in the EU to stop them from removing the embargoes after the vote, naturally Turkey was not about to recognise Cyprus. You still think it was a good will gesture, like fuck it was.


I think the point Max is making is that the Annan Plan was not a good plan because it cannot be used as a template for a BBF in any situation like in Cyprus; Turkey, or the Ukraine, where "This" problem exists come to mind.
Max is full of shit just like Makarios was in 1963. He did not implement the constitution because he did not think it would work. Total bollox. It would have been a better situation than current. It would have put a wedge between TCs and Turkey as they would not need financial aid from them. Instead we were left just as dependent on Turkey as before and till this day.
How's that going to help us. It also allowed another 150,000 Turks to move into Cyprus

...'we' should trust in ourselves as people, Cypriots made the right choice, and in terms of population the majority of Cypriots voted no because they seek for something better.

You talk as if it was a fair election and both sides were given a fair chance and the no vote won. And I can confirm to you pigs are can fly on Mars where sometimes I think you are from. Did not see what went on in the South during that vote FFS

When you judge the fact that from 2004 it took another 13 years to get to a point where we had serious discussions. What was it Christofias said, say no now so we can cement yes later. How did that work out for the Cunts over at Akel.
And the last point by voting no did they get something better?

You seemed to ignore the real reason why Papadopoullos did not recommend a yes vote, He said "I did not inherit a country to deliver to you a community"

He had no intention of agreeing to power sharing, and fed the GCs a load of bullshit and what have you got a load of mushrooms. Funny enough that was exactly what Makarios did. He had no intention to implement the constitution but he saw it as a stepping stone to Enosis. And doubly funny the Cunt Papadopoullos was involved when Makarios did his deeds and the good GC folk felt he would make a good candidate to negotiate.

On last thing. What was it Papadopoullos said when he heard Dengtash was not going to the talks and Talat was. Lets see if any body remembers and perhaps they can explain why he said what he said.