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[Lordo]

I was under the impression we stopped blaming the victims but it seems there are ignorant people who continuum to do so.

We have to stop confusing migrants with refugees. We have had over 1 million legal migrants that arrived in the UK in 2022 in safety. There is a method of application for people to apply as a migrant to come to this country. What there is not is a legal way of applying for asylum into the UK unless you are a blond child and are from Ukraine. Interesting if you are indeed blond and Ukraine you do not even need to prove that you are a refugee or that you are indeed from the affected areas in Ukraine to be accepted into UK.

So why can't these refugees then pretend to be migrants and apply via the same route I hear you say. That's because they do not qualify under the migration rules. For instance unless you have been accepted into a job which pays over 25,000K you cannot apply for asylum. There are other restrictions too. A doctor or a nurse can apply and will be accepted despite the fact that International Law strictly forbids one country taking another countries professionals and it causes suffering there.

So if you are going to talk about refugees and migrants at least learn yourself what they funkin mean

Another issue is of course if a country is not at war should we take refugees from them?
Where does it say in the refugee convention that anybody who is not from a country at war cannot be considered as a refugee.

Another one is the refugees must apply for asylum in the first country they arrive at. Where does it say that too?

Ignorance of the facts is not defense.

[Maximus]

You need to stop confusing migrants with refugees, 90-95% of the people coming to Europe are illegal migrants now.

A refugee is someone who has fled war, violence, conflict or persecution and have crossed an international border to find safety in another country. Refugees are seeking refugee, hence why they are called and are classified as a refuge-e. Maybe something clicked in your pee brain now.

https://www.unhcr.org/what-refugee

Refugees cross international boarders seeking refuge.

As soon as they find safety, which is the first safe country they arrive in, usually a neighboring country, they have to announce to the authorities of that country that they are applying for asylum. Otherwise they are there illegally and may be deported back to their country of origin.

If a country is not at war, other countries should not have to be taking refugees from them. If people are not fleeing persecution, war, violence or conflict, and there is no safe place they can go and settle in their own country, then they are not really refugees and other country don't have to accept them under these pretenses.

[Londonrake]

Here, in the inflation thread and amidst the desolation of “La la Land”, Lordo sheds buckets of crocodile tears, amid much angry handwringing, for the abused poor of the UK (“Swineland”).

When he’s had time to recover his composure he pops over to the Ukraine thread, a country where so far 6 million have been driven out as refugees and a further 6 million displaced from their homes, vast numbers of which have been obliterated by an invading army of half a million Russian troops.

There, he expresses sorrow but advocates the view that it’s basically all their own fault. If they’d simply turned their backs on Putin, dropped their trousers and invited him to help himself all the carnage could have been avoided.

As he is oft fond of saying “You couldn’t make it up”.

[Lordo]

Indeed you could not make it up. Why should I care about the Ukrainians who saw fit to attack the population in the East with tanks week before the Russian invasion. The blond people brought it upon themselves.

Explain that the the poor Syrians who did nothing and had America, Israel and the west unleash terror onto them driving 5 million people out of Syria and 6 million people within Syria to becoming refugees. Never mind millions killed in Iraq, Afghanistan and Yemen.

So back to the main point. Did the Greek Coastguard lie or not?

[Maximus]

Indeed you could not make it up. Why should I care about the Ukrainians who saw fit to attack the population in the East with tanks week before the Russian invasion. The blond people brought it upon themselves.

Explain that the the poor Syrians who did nothing and had America, Israel and the west unleash terror onto them driving 5 million people out of Syria and 6 million people within Syria to becoming refugees. Never mind millions killed in Iraq, Afghanistan and Yemen.

So back to the main point. Did the Greek Coastguard lie or not?

no, the end.

[Lordo]

Living in denial must be very comforting for simple minds.

[Londonrake]

Explain that the the poor Syrians who did nothing and had America, Israel and the west unleash terror onto them driving 5 million people out of Syria and 6 million people within Syria to becoming refugees. Never mind millions killed in Iraq, Afghanistan and Yemen.

I've said it so many times that clearly it's a waste of it. You really should do a bit of reading before you post on a subject. You often come across as a gormless twat. Rodney.

What do you think the Russians have been up to in Syria for the past 8 years ? Let me help. They've been supporting a murdering, nepotistic Dictator. His Father's Son. Bashar Assad. How come you "liberals" have this admiration for butchering dictators?

"The civil war in Syria has killed around 580,000 people, of which a minimum of 306,000 deaths are non-combatant, with pro-Assad forces causing more than 90% of the civilian deaths. The war has also forcibly displaced 14 million Syrians, with over 7 million refugees, causing the largest refugee crisis in the world."

That's the Assad Alawites+Russia V Sunni war.

Myopia (Google it) doesn't hit the spot with you.

"Why should I care about the Ukrainians who saw fit to attack the population in the East with tanks week before the Russian invasion. The blond people brought it upon themselves."

Whilst that might comfort you, the reality is that over 9000 innocent Ukrainian civilians have been killed by the Russians in the past 16 months. Not to mention the aforementioned millions driven out. Your comment demonstrates the rank hypocrisy of your bleedin' heart crap about the downtrodden UK poor. Prior to the ousting of Yanukovych (a brown envelope Russian lickspittle) Putin's attack and annexation of Crimea in 2014, about 200 had died in Ukrainian unrest.

The "blond" thing is just another manifestation of your ingrained racism. Moreover, I don't think the Ukrainians are anymore "blond" than their Russian neighbours.

You're an embarrassing idiot on this forum. Striding around posting all sorts of shite on just about any subject. Carefully making sure not to upset the big boys by sycophantically saying the "right things". Baaaahhhhhhh!

"These are my principles. If you don't like them........................... I have others".

[Maximus]

Bordo also conveniently forgets that it was davutoglu that was pushing Kerry to allow Turkey to create a humanitarian corridor (invasion) 40km deep in Syrian. This was before America put boots on the ground in Syria but after the Erdogan regime provided support to ISIS to do the ethnic cleansing.

He never mentions that Turkey has been occupying northern Syria during his virtue signalling bleeding heart tirades about the west. I suspect thats why he wants the EU to take all the (Syrian) refugees so that northern Syria can be settled by Turks, just like northern Cyprus.

Its clear that for him, some refugees are more refugee than others. for instance, he doesnt care that the greek cypriots (refugees) are being prevented from their homes in their own country by his own very regime and Turkey. he is against that, but for the Pakistanis, they are refugees when it comes to their illegal donkey migration to the EU.

[Lordo]

You need to stop confusing migrants with refugees, 90-95% of the people coming to Europe are illegal migrants now.

A refugee is someone who has fled war, violence, conflict or persecution and have crossed an international border to find safety in another country. Refugees are seeking refugee, hence why they are called and are classified as a refuge-e. Maybe something clicked in your pee brain now.

https://www.unhcr.org/what-refugee

Refugees cross international boarders seeking refuge.

As soon as they find safety, which is the first safe country they arrive in, usually a neighboring country, they have to announce to the authorities of that country that they are applying for asylum. Otherwise they are there illegally and may be deported back to their country of origin.
Now this bit is full of shit. Find me where it stipulates that in the International Law for Refugee Convention. You just made that up. You think it is logical but it is not. A Refugee has rights and part of their rights is to select which country they seek asylum.

If a country is not at war, other countries should not have to be taking refugees from them.
This bit is full of shit. It looks like a 2 year old child speaking. You have seen above that war is just one of the reasons for fuck sake. Fuckin grow up.

If people are not fleeing persecution, war, violence or conflict,
This is correct then they are not refugees. Have you any idea how many countries in the world persecute minorities on religious, sexuality and racial grounds?
The International Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans and Intersex Association (Ilga) monitors the progress of laws relating to homosexuality around the world. It says the death penalty is the legally prescribed punishment for same-sex sexual acts in Brunei, Iran, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and in some northern states of Nigeria.
Have you any idea how many countries practice stoning people to death for having sex outside marriage?
Do you actually understand the meaning of persecution?
and there is no safe place they can go and settle in their own country, then they are not really refugees and other country don't have to accept them under these pretenses.

This is good. Now find me where it says they have to declare Asylum in the first safe country they enter and bob's your uncle.

[Lordo]

Indeed you could not make it up. Why should I care about the Ukrainians who saw fit to attack the population in the East with tanks week before the Russian invasion. The blond people brought it upon themselves.

Explain that the the poor Syrians who did nothing and had America, Israel and the west unleash terror onto them driving 5 million people out of Syria and 6 million people within Syria to becoming refugees. Never mind millions killed in Iraq, Afghanistan and Yemen.

So back to the main point. Did the Greek Coastguard lie or not?

no, the end.
This is shit