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[Maximus]

so mr-ng,

we seem to have a rusty boat, packed well over its safety capacity, persistently breaking down, run out of food and water and people already dying before any attempt of a rescue.

wanting to go to italy, refusing help and being watched by a helicopter and other vessels and probably capsized due to its own instability.

But the Greek coastguard decided to put them out of their misery instead?

[Kikapu]

If this is true, it is the largest homicide crime in Europe's post-war history.

Really?

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Mr-NG will believe anything.

Max, put your logic hat on for a minute.

These migrants were mostly alive on a struggling rust bucket for a boat, but soon after rescue boat reach them, most of the migrants were dead. Really, how can that be?

That would be like saying, when Captain Sully landed his plane on the Hudson in New York without engine power where everyone survived, but as soon as the rescue boats arrived, they had all died. Really?

Well, as we know, ALL of Captain Sally’s passengers and crew had survived the forced landing on water without engine power, a miracle all by itself, but neither did anyone die whilst being rescued by boats that went to help rescue them.

[Maximus]

Oh yeah kiks, there was no way the boat could have capsized at any time, no way they were in danger and in distress.

There was absolutely no way after 7 hours of help reaching them and them refusing assistance the boat could have capsize.

After all, it was a stranded struggling rust bucket packed well beyond its safety capacity.

You know sometimes, you call for help and the help doesnt show up in time, and other times, it shows up in time but a tragedy still cant be avoided.

[Paphitis]

The Greek Coast Guard were simply doing their job and enforcing the law within their territorial waters.

Bottom line is that these illegal migrants are breaking the law, and the Hellenic Coastguard have the right to impede their journey and stop them from landing in Greece.

There is a proper way to enter Greece, through the front door.

There is no other way of dealing with this issue without opening the flood gates by rewarding the law breakers.

If anything, Hellenic Coastguard is far too tame.

Try doing this in Australia, or Merika and see what happens.

If anyone doesn't know what I am talking about, google TAMPA Crisis and see for yourselves. A Norwegian Registered vessel was obstructed from entering Australian Waters with 433 rescued illegal migrants on board. Not even allowed to get medical assistance except for that which was provided by Royal Australian Navy in International Waters.

Ans they were boarded by SAS.

Also, the UK wants to adopt Australia's zero tolerance. It's probably a good thing they left the EU.

Wouldn't expect anything but from a fascist nation. Oh and fuck your Meryykaaa too

You see, that is where the likes of you, Lordo, Kikapu, Pyro et al have a massive downfall to the point one could say that you are all a bunch of ideologues at best, and at worst, extremely STUPID with a chronically very low IQ to the point that all of you shouldn't even be allowed to drive a car, or hold down jobs.

I don't say this to insult any of you, but rather, it just appears to be the case when you say stupid things like this, then either one of you then post in the Ukraine War thread about those nasty Ukrainian Nazis. Oh yes, Merika, Australia, Greece, Ukraine are all fascist, aren't they?

Well, my little bitches, here is a good dose of reality!

Merika, Australia, Greece and Ukraine are not the NAZIS or even slightly fascist. We are talking about 4 nations among the most liberal on earth. Places where human rights, democracy, free speech run supreme. To the point where the state does not interfere in one's beliefs, sexual preferences even, and rights to self-determination in any social facet. Equal opportunity and anti-discrimation laws protecting the individual.

The fascist nation, which you all do seem to support and give a free pass to, is Ruzzia. A country that has invaded Ukraine, illegally, and displaced millions of people, killed hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians, castrates Ukrainian POWs, has barrier forces to gun down its own retreating soldiers (that is the level of Ruzzia's barbarism and inhumanity) and it blows up dams and causes one of the greatest ecological disasters the world has ever seen.

That's who the fascists are whom you all support.

Not Merika, certainly not Greece, Australia or Ukraine...

Now, Greece has its own issues and needs to defend its border from illegal migrants. Only a few years ago, it almost went bankrupt. It was bailed out by the EU, and ECB, with funds mainly from the big economic powers of Europe like Germany, Holland, and France. So Greece isn't really flush with money and at the same time has to provide social services, health, education to its people, build infrastructure, provide law enforcement and a myriad of other things the people of Greece need, including F-35s in order to defend its airspace, from an aggressive neighbor (Turkey).

Greece can't afford to be a transit point to millions of illegal economic refugees seeking to go on to Germany, and Western Europe. Greece has obligations to these countries and the EU. And if they enter Greece, there will also be other social problems such as crime, drugs and perhaps even an exploitable slave labour black market, taking away jobs from the local Greeks, which has about 25% of its youth unemployed.

It's about survival and law and order. Greece, and all nations have the right to determine who enters their borders. Crossing their border in this way is ILLEGAL. And law breakers can not be awared with a free ticket to Germany, which is a country that has done more than enough to help refugees.

And as soon as even one concession is made, the floodgates open and that is something Greece, can't afford.

There is nothing fascist about it at all. Greece hasn't invaded anyone. It hasn't killed anyone.

But I can tell you who the fascists and NAZIs really are. Ruzzia is the fascist country. Pootin is the NAZI. And you all support this fascism.

And yet the minute poor little Greece, Australia or Merika send a little Coastguard boat to stop illegal immigrants from Pakistan to enter, they are fascist.

GO FIGURE!

But you want to know what's great? Well, this fascism which you all support, has united all of Europe, all of NATO and even expanded them, united the collective west, and the East (Asia). We are now all united, just like the allies were in WW2.

So much so, Ruzzia has lost the war, and will be defeated because these evils that YOU support and this fascism that YOU support will not be allowed to pass.

And Greece is on the right side of history, with the EU, NATO, and collective West and is even sending arms to Ukraine just like we all are, because we all support JUSTICE, and we will defeat the fascism YOU support.

[MR-from-NG]

The Greek Coast Guard were simply doing their job and enforcing the law within their territorial waters.

Bottom line is that these illegal migrants are breaking the law, and the Hellenic Coastguard have the right to impede their journey and stop them from landing in Greece.

There is a proper way to enter Greece, through the front door.

There is no other way of dealing with this issue without opening the flood gates by rewarding the law breakers.

If anything, Hellenic Coastguard is far too tame.

Try doing this in Australia, or Merika and see what happens.

If anyone doesn't know what I am talking about, google TAMPA Crisis and see for yourselves. A Norwegian Registered vessel was obstructed from entering Australian Waters with 433 rescued illegal migrants on board. Not even allowed to get medical assistance except for that which was provided by Royal Australian Navy in International Waters.

Ans they were boarded by SAS.

Also, the UK wants to adopt Australia's zero tolerance. It's probably a good thing they left the EU.

Wouldn't expect anything but from a fascist nation. Oh and fuck your Meryykaaa too

You see, that is where the likes of you, Lordo, Kikapu, Pyro et al have a massive downfall to the point one could say that you are all a bunch of ideologues at best, and at worst, extremely STUPID with a chronically very low IQ to the point that all of you shouldn't even be allowed to drive a car, or hold down jobs.

I don't say this to insult any of you, but rather, it just appears to be the case when you say stupid things like this, then either one of you then post in the Ukraine War thread about those nasty Ukrainian Nazis. Oh yes, Merika, Australia, Greece, Ukraine are all fascist, aren't they?

Well, my little bitches, here is a good dose of reality!

Merika, Australia, Greece and Ukraine are not the NAZIS or even slightly fascist. We are talking about 4 nations among the most liberal on earth. Places where human rights, democracy, free speech run supreme. To the point where the state does not interfere in one's beliefs, sexual preferences even, and rights to self-determination in any social facet. Equal opportunity and anti-discrimation laws protecting the individual.

The fascist nation, which you all do seem to support and give a free pass to, is Ruzzia. A country that has invaded Ukraine, illegally, and displaced millions of people, killed hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians, castrates Ukrainian POWs, has barrier forces to gun down its own retreating soldiers (that is the level of Ruzzia's barbarism and inhumanity) and it blows up dams and causes one of the greatest ecological disasters the world has ever seen.

That's who the fascists are whom you all support.

Not Merika, certainly not Greece, Australia or Ukraine...

Now, Greece has its own issues and needs to defend its border from illegal migrants. Only a few years ago, it almost went bankrupt. It was bailed out by the EU, and ECB, with funds mainly from the big economic powers of Europe like Germany, Holland, and France. So Greece isn't really flush with money and at the same time has to provide social services, health, education to its people, build infrastructure, provide law enforcement and a myriad of other things the people of Greece need, including F-35s in order to defend its airspace, from an aggressive neighbor (Turkey).

Greece can't afford to be a transit point to millions of illegal economic refugees seeking to go on to Germany, and Western Europe. Greece has obligations to these countries and the EU. And if they enter Greece, there will also be other social problems such as crime, drugs and perhaps even an exploitable slave labour black market, taking away jobs from the local Greeks, which has about 25% of its youth unemployed.

It's about survival and law and order. Greece, and all nations have the right to determine who enters their borders. Crossing their border in this way is ILLEGAL. And law breakers can not be awared with a free ticket to Germany, which is a country that has done more than enough to help refugees.

And as soon as even one concession is made, the floodgates open and that is something Greece, can't afford.

There is nothing fascist about it at all. Greece hasn't invaded anyone. It hasn't killed anyone.

But I can tell you who the fascists and NAZIs really are. Ruzzia is the fascist country. Pootin is the NAZI. And you all support this fascism.

And yet the minute poor little Greece, Australia or Merika send a little Coastguard boat to stop illegal immigrants from Pakistan to enter, they are fascist.

GO FIGURE!

But you want to know what's great? Well, this fascism which you all support, has united all of Europe, all of NATO and even expanded them, united the collective west, and the East (Asia). We are now all united, just like the allies were in WW2.

So much so, Ruzzia has lost the war, and will be defeated because these evils that YOU support and this fascism that YOU support will not be allowed to pass.

And Greece is on the right side of history, with the EU, NATO, and collective West and is even sending arms to Ukraine just like we all are, because we all support JUSTICE, and we will defeat the fascism YOU support.

I have no time in reading such meaningless long and simply full of shit post my poor Bafidi. I have always thought of you as a Walter Mitty and you have proven me right on countless occasions. If you want to challenge my accusation how about we put everything aside and you update us of your development project you have invested to the tune of $3 million in? Show us a few pictures, if you have anything to sell like apartments, shops, warehouses please provide links, I might even want to invest in your project. Show me something tangible that might convince me that you are not the bullshitter I think you are.

Btw, if you really want decent returns for your investment then think about North Cyprus. Fucking hell man, the Germans are coming in plane loads and buying villas in bulk. Michael Ballack just bought a $2.4 million beachfront villa. Another German that you might consider as the Simon Cowel of Germany purchased 6 beachfront villas for all his family, his name escapes me right now. These villas are selling like hot cakes.

I don't know why I'm giving you this info, you're not building in Cyprus, you're not driving those 8 cylinder gas guzzlers, you're fucking broke. A penniless fantasist dickhead.

[Maximus]

Stay on topic Mr-NG,

Dont be so closed minded and intolerant, its time to be a man and engage your rational, logical faculty. not like some women deciding based on feelings or crying in your car when soppy boy band songs play on the radio.

This is your thread after all.

Provide some evidence that the Greek coast guard intentionally sunk this boat and committed a mass murder.

Show us the truth.

[Lordo]

There is a clip of Greek Coastguard trying to sink a boat by passing by very fast next to it tp create a wave and sink it, And the witness described that as their first action.

The second was using a rope to tow the boat but at an angle and I gues how would the man know that pulling a boat that is over capacity fast at any angle would destabilize it and sink it.

Considering the boat did not sink for 7 hours clearly it was not about to sink. A good intention individual would first of all take them water and food and ask for boats to come and take some of the people off to make it safer.

Instead they decided to pull it at an angle. In good time this will also come out but I am guessing they were pulling it at an angle to take it out of Greek waters so they can claim it is not their problem.

See how the truth comes out. The Greek Coastguard did not admit they were on the scene or anybody else was on the scene when they arrived. But there was a helicopter and 4 boats in total at the scene when it was sunk. Once the investigate is carried out it will be proven one way or another.

In the meantime watch Greek Coastguard try to sink another boat and the methods used.

[Paphitis]

The Greek Coast Guard were simply doing their job and enforcing the law within their territorial waters.

Bottom line is that these illegal migrants are breaking the law, and the Hellenic Coastguard have the right to impede their journey and stop them from landing in Greece.

There is a proper way to enter Greece, through the front door.

There is no other way of dealing with this issue without opening the flood gates by rewarding the law breakers.

If anything, Hellenic Coastguard is far too tame.

Try doing this in Australia, or Merika and see what happens.

If anyone doesn't know what I am talking about, google TAMPA Crisis and see for yourselves. A Norwegian Registered vessel was obstructed from entering Australian Waters with 433 rescued illegal migrants on board. Not even allowed to get medical assistance except for that which was provided by Royal Australian Navy in International Waters.

Ans they were boarded by SAS.

Also, the UK wants to adopt Australia's zero tolerance. It's probably a good thing they left the EU.

Wouldn't expect anything but from a fascist nation. Oh and fuck your Meryykaaa too

You see, that is where the likes of you, Lordo, Kikapu, Pyro et al have a massive downfall to the point one could say that you are all a bunch of ideologues at best, and at worst, extremely STUPID with a chronically very low IQ to the point that all of you shouldn't even be allowed to drive a car, or hold down jobs.

I don't say this to insult any of you, but rather, it just appears to be the case when you say stupid things like this, then either one of you then post in the Ukraine War thread about those nasty Ukrainian Nazis. Oh yes, Merika, Australia, Greece, Ukraine are all fascist, aren't they?

Well, my little bitches, here is a good dose of reality!

Merika, Australia, Greece and Ukraine are not the NAZIS or even slightly fascist. We are talking about 4 nations among the most liberal on earth. Places where human rights, democracy, free speech run supreme. To the point where the state does not interfere in one's beliefs, sexual preferences even, and rights to self-determination in any social facet. Equal opportunity and anti-discrimation laws protecting the individual.

The fascist nation, which you all do seem to support and give a free pass to, is Ruzzia. A country that has invaded Ukraine, illegally, and displaced millions of people, killed hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians, castrates Ukrainian POWs, has barrier forces to gun down its own retreating soldiers (that is the level of Ruzzia's barbarism and inhumanity) and it blows up dams and causes one of the greatest ecological disasters the world has ever seen.

That's who the fascists are whom you all support.

Not Merika, certainly not Greece, Australia or Ukraine...

Now, Greece has its own issues and needs to defend its border from illegal migrants. Only a few years ago, it almost went bankrupt. It was bailed out by the EU, and ECB, with funds mainly from the big economic powers of Europe like Germany, Holland, and France. So Greece isn't really flush with money and at the same time has to provide social services, health, education to its people, build infrastructure, provide law enforcement and a myriad of other things the people of Greece need, including F-35s in order to defend its airspace, from an aggressive neighbor (Turkey).

Greece can't afford to be a transit point to millions of illegal economic refugees seeking to go on to Germany, and Western Europe. Greece has obligations to these countries and the EU. And if they enter Greece, there will also be other social problems such as crime, drugs and perhaps even an exploitable slave labour black market, taking away jobs from the local Greeks, which has about 25% of its youth unemployed.

It's about survival and law and order. Greece, and all nations have the right to determine who enters their borders. Crossing their border in this way is ILLEGAL. And law breakers can not be awared with a free ticket to Germany, which is a country that has done more than enough to help refugees.

And as soon as even one concession is made, the floodgates open and that is something Greece, can't afford.

There is nothing fascist about it at all. Greece hasn't invaded anyone. It hasn't killed anyone.

But I can tell you who the fascists and NAZIs really are. Ruzzia is the fascist country. Pootin is the NAZI. And you all support this fascism.

And yet the minute poor little Greece, Australia or Merika send a little Coastguard boat to stop illegal immigrants from Pakistan to enter, they are fascist.

GO FIGURE!

But you want to know what's great? Well, this fascism which you all support, has united all of Europe, all of NATO and even expanded them, united the collective west, and the East (Asia). We are now all united, just like the allies were in WW2.

So much so, Ruzzia has lost the war, and will be defeated because these evils that YOU support and this fascism that YOU support will not be allowed to pass.

And Greece is on the right side of history, with the EU, NATO, and collective West and is even sending arms to Ukraine just like we all are, because we all support JUSTICE, and we will defeat the fascism YOU support.

I have no time in reading such meaningless long and simply full of shit post my poor Bafidi. I have always thought of you as a Walter Mitty and you have proven me right on countless occasions. If you want to challenge my accusation how about we put everything aside and you update us of your development project you have invested to the tune of $3 million in? Show us a few pictures, if you have anything to sell like apartments, shops, warehouses please provide links, I might even want to invest in your project. Show me something tangible that might convince me that you are not the bullshitter I think you are.

Btw, if you really want decent returns for your investment then think about North Cyprus. Fucking hell man, the Germans are coming in plane loads and buying villas in bulk. Michael Ballack just bought a $2.4 million beachfront villa. Another German that you might consider as the Simon Cowel of Germany purchased 6 beachfront villas for all his family, his name escapes me right now. These villas are selling like hot cakes.

I don't know why I'm giving you this info, you're not building in Cyprus, you're not driving those 8 cylinder gas guzzlers, you're fucking broke. A penniless fantasist dickhead.

Oh so you want to know a bit of my personal affairs in Cyprus.

well Mr, I never mentioned 3 million Euros. You guys did.

But if you want to know more, I will oblige. I own an inherited piece of land in Coral Bay right on the coast of about 4000 sq meters in area with views. which has only just been subdivided into 7 lots, all with road access and full services to each such as water and electricity.

And another allotment of 2100 sq maters in Konia, Paphos on Paxon Street, about to be subdivided, also with full street services. This parcel also inherited from my Mum.

And 2 semi-detached houses in Ano Paphos with 2 derelict houses on it, which are about to be knocked down. And a Father in Law, who is staying there right now, organising some of my affairs until I get there next month.

My investment so far, is nothing. But I suppose if you count the entire investment start to finish, then the combined value of the properties will be getting there, but what the value is is none of business. Go Pafos FC as well.

I have the land, and therefore its my job to get the maximum benefit from them. In other words bozo, I am also an astute person who will use these opportunities to make money. Stuid people like you would sell these lands and let people like me benefit. Thta's what it boils down to.

And yes, I do have the means to develop and also the know how. And yes, the project, especially the Coral Bay and Konia ones, will be overseen by my Koumbaro and a Cypriot Building compony. And they will be done in 4 allotments at a time with the first 4 in Coral Bay. Not all at once.

Happy my little fascist.

Now we were you. Oh yeh that's right. You were accusing Greece of being a fascist, while you continue to support the Ruzzian Invasion of Ukraine by Putlar.

And you accused the Greek Coast Guard of murder, just because a few illegal immigrants risked their own lives by getting into an unsafe craft in order to make a treachrous water crossing into Greece and break the law at the same time.

You got anything else to say? Come on, let's see more that of inteligentsia of yours or lack of.

[Paphitis]

There is a clip of Greek Coastguard trying to sink a boat by passing by very fast next to it tp create a wave and sink it, And the witness described that as their first action.

The second was using a rope to tow the boat but at an angle and I gues how would the man know that pulling a boat that is over capacity fast at any angle would destabilize it and sink it.

Considering the boat did not sink for 7 hours clearly it was not about to sink. A good intention individual would first of all take them water and food and ask for boats to come and take some of the people off to make it safer.

Instead they decided to pull it at an angle. In good time this will also come out but I am guessing they were pulling it at an angle to take it out of Greek waters so they can claim it is not their problem.

See how the truth comes out. The Greek Coastguard did not admit they were on the scene or anybody else was on the scene when they arrived. But there was a helicopter and 4 boats in total at the scene when it was sunk. Once the investigate is carried out it will be proven one way or another.

In the meantime watch Greek Coastguard try to sink another boat and the methods used.

They were not trying to sink the boat. If they wanted to sink the boat, they would have.

What they did is try to impede its passage, by first passing in close proximity and creating a wake. And then they sent a small volley of warning shots to send the message that they will not be allowed to enter Greece.

It is perfectly legal for a Coast Guard to send warning shots over the bow, or close to a vessel that does nbot obey the lawfull interception of law enforcement coast guard and customs vessels in or near territorial waters.

There is nothing at all unusual about it, and it is something other countries do as well.

Australia did it to a Norwegian Registered vessel when it was continueing its journey towards Australian Waters after it was intercepted by the Royal Australian Navy. But they didn't dare sink it or want to sink it. After a few hours, a SAS Boarding party boarded, went to the bridge and ordered the Captain to turn the ship around.

During the COVID Crisis, some cruise ships with hundreds of Covid cases attempted to enter Australia even after Australia complteley locked down all its borders to shipping and aviation. Some of these ships had the audacity to flout these border closures by saying they are ships in distress. Australian Government disagreed, and took a harsh stance saying that it must protect the Australian populace from the ravages of Covid, which they had a lot of success with. The Royal Australian Navy was sent in to intercept these ships and do some further convincing. In the end, the ships turned aaround and went back to where they came from.

Some of these Cruise ships were alaos boarded with armed boarding parties if the captain needed more convincing.

[Maximus]

There is a clip of Greek Coastguard trying to sink a boat by passing by very fast next to it tp create a wave and sink it, And the witness described that as their first action.

The second was using a rope to tow the boat but at an angle and I gues how would the man know that pulling a boat that is over capacity fast at any angle would destabilize it and sink it.

Considering the boat did not sink for 7 hours clearly it was not about to sink. A good intention individual would first of all take them water and food and ask for boats to come and take some of the people off to make it safer.

Instead they decided to pull it at an angle. In good time this will also come out but I am guessing they were pulling it at an angle to take it out of Greek waters so they can claim it is not their problem.

See how the truth comes out. The Greek Coastguard did not admit they were on the scene or anybody else was on the scene when they arrived. But there was a helicopter and 4 boats in total at the scene when it was sunk. Once the investigate is carried out it will be proven one way or another.

In the meantime watch Greek Coastguard try to sink another boat and the methods used.

You are clutching at straws with this clip bordo,

first of all it is an unrelated incident from many years ago,
second there is no attempt to sink them or kill them, just to push them away.
thirdly, for this incident we are talking about, they were taken food and water but apparently they refused any help. I think because the smugglers knew they would be caught if they accepted help and would face the repercussions of their human trafficking.

find the other clip you are talking about of this incident and post it so we can see,