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[Maximus]

This ship is just one of many trying to across the Mediterranean every single year, transporting hundreds of thousands of migrants every year for about a decade now. This is not the first tragedy to happen at sea and i doubt it will be the last.

But when it does come out Bordo, that this was a deliberate act to sink the ship, let me know because you and plonkenstein number 2 are getting boring.

Let me finish with this post Max. It takes courage to face the truth. We will never see that from the Greeks as they're a nation of cowards.

You shamless man

Do you know how many people in Greece were protesting about this incident and demanding an investigation to find the truth.

You and bordo are a couple of plebensteins.

More people have died over the years being sold dodgy life jackets and sponge filled dinghies by the Turks, then being pushed towards europe. Where was your outrage then?

Wait a minute, bordo will be along in a minute reminding us that these people can go wherever they want and Turkey is just helping them get to europe.

Plonkensteins, the pair of you

[repulsewarrior]

...well said, Max.

[MR-from-NG]

This ship is just one of many trying to across the Mediterranean every single year, transporting hundreds of thousands of migrants every year for about a decade now. This is not the first tragedy to happen at sea and i doubt it will be the last.

But when it does come out Bordo, that this was a deliberate act to sink the ship, let me know because you and plonkenstein number 2 are getting boring.

Let me finish with this post Max. It takes courage to face the truth. We will never see that from the Greeks as they're a nation of cowards.

You shamless man

Do you know how many people in Greece were protesting about this incident and demanding an investigation to find the truth.

You and bordo are a couple of plebensteins.

More people have died over the years being sold dodgy life jackets and sponge filled dinghies by the Turks, then being pushed towards europe. Where was your outrage then?

Wait a minute, bordo will be along in a minute reminding us that these people can go wherever they want and Turkey is just helping them get to europe.

Plonkensteins, the pair of you

Max, RW, and most probably all Greek CF members. You're all the same shit. You all have blood on your hands. @RW, stop smoking that fucking shit, you're frying your tiny little fucking brain to death.

Yes, there are cunts all along the migrant smuggling chain, Turks, Syrians, Libyans, Egyptians even Greeks and many more cunts that can see the opportunity to make a quick buck. They all have blood on their hands but the mass murder the Greek Coast Guard committed is at a new high and you cunts are defending them? You think the readers are 9 year old kids on CF? You think those that pay the occasional visit to the site will read your shit and take you fuckers seriously? Get the fuck out of my face you couple of bird brains.

[cyprusgrump]

This ship is just one of many trying to across the Mediterranean every single year, transporting hundreds of thousands of migrants every year for about a decade now. This is not the first tragedy to happen at sea and i doubt it will be the last.

But when it does come out Bordo, that this was a deliberate act to sink the ship, let me know because you and plonkenstein number 2 are getting boring.

Let me finish with this post Max. It takes courage to face the truth. We will never see that from the Greeks as they're a nation of cowards.

You shamless man

Do you know how many people in Greece were protesting about this incident and demanding an investigation to find the truth.

You and bordo are a couple of plebensteins.

More people have died over the years being sold dodgy life jackets and sponge filled dinghies by the Turks, then being pushed towards europe. Where was your outrage then?

Wait a minute, bordo will be along in a minute reminding us that these people can go wherever they want and Turkey is just helping them get to europe.

Plonkensteins, the pair of you

Max, RW, and most probably all Greek CF members. You're all the same shit. You all have blood on your hands. @RW, stop smoking that fucking shit, you're frying your tiny little fucking brain to death.

Yes, there are cunts all along the migrant smuggling chain, Turks, Syrians, Libyans, Egyptians even Greeks and many more cunts that can see the opportunity to make a quick buck. They all have blood on their hands but the mass murder the Greek Coast Guard committed is at a new high and you cunts are defending them? You think the readers are 9 year old kids on CF? You think those that pay the occasional visit to the site will read your shit and take you fuckers seriously? Get the fuck out of my face you couple of bird brains.

I’d imagine that anybody making a casual visit to this site would read the foul-mouthed rantings of you and Bordo and leave as quickly as possible!

[MR-from-NG]

This ship is just one of many trying to across the Mediterranean every single year, transporting hundreds of thousands of migrants every year for about a decade now. This is not the first tragedy to happen at sea and i doubt it will be the last.

But when it does come out Bordo, that this was a deliberate act to sink the ship, let me know because you and plonkenstein number 2 are getting boring.

Let me finish with this post Max. It takes courage to face the truth. We will never see that from the Greeks as they're a nation of cowards.

You shamless man

Do you know how many people in Greece were protesting about this incident and demanding an investigation to find the truth.

You and bordo are a couple of plebensteins.

More people have died over the years being sold dodgy life jackets and sponge filled dinghies by the Turks, then being pushed towards europe. Where was your outrage then?

Wait a minute, bordo will be along in a minute reminding us that these people can go wherever they want and Turkey is just helping them get to europe.

Plonkensteins, the pair of you

Max, RW, and most probably all Greek CF members. You're all the same shit. You all have blood on your hands. @RW, stop smoking that fucking shit, you're frying your tiny little fucking brain to death.

Yes, there are cunts all along the migrant smuggling chain, Turks, Syrians, Libyans, Egyptians even Greeks and many more cunts that can see the opportunity to make a quick buck. They all have blood on their hands but the mass murder the Greek Coast Guard committed is at a new high and you cunts are defending them? You think the readers are 9 year old kids on CF? You think those that pay the occasional visit to the site will read your shit and take you fuckers seriously? Get the fuck out of my face you couple of bird brains.

I’d imagine that anybody making a casual visit to this site would read the foul-mouthed rantings of you and Bordo and leave as quickly as possible!

Yeah, how right you are, Lordo and I are discouraging visitors to CF that has a total of 6 regular contributors get the fuck out of here you coffindodging cunt

[Lordo]

This ship is just one of many trying to across the Mediterranean every single year, transporting hundreds of thousands of migrants every year for about a decade now. This is not the first tragedy to happen at sea and i doubt it will be the last.

But when it does come out Bordo, that this was a deliberate act to sink the ship, let me know because you and plonkenstein number 2 are getting boring.

Let me finish with this post Max. It takes courage to face the truth. We will never see that from the Greeks as they're a nation of cowards.

You shamless man

Do you know how many people in Greece were protesting about this incident and demanding an investigation to find the truth.

You and bordo are a couple of plebensteins.

More people have died over the years being sold dodgy life jackets and sponge filled dinghies by the Turks, then being pushed towards europe. Where was your outrage then?

Wait a minute, bordo will be along in a minute reminding us that these people can go wherever they want and Turkey is just helping them get to europe.

Plonkensteins, the pair of you

Interesting that there is laughter after the word shameless. Perhaps I will find out what it says about the stability of the mind posting it.

Of course there are Greek people protesting about what the coastguard are doing and there are even Greek people who are taking those involved to court.

I have posted one incident where a Greek coastguard, threw bombs at the refugee ship, and tried top sink it by passing it fast to create a wave to sink it and another individual who was trying to stab the boat too. There is also another clip where Greek Coastguard take some refugees off land and drop them in the middle of the sea.

Whilst protesting about them shows there are some excellent humane Greeks but what does it say about the Greek Justice System. How many of these being investigated and brought to trial?

This reminds me of Cyprus in the 60s. Any GC could rob a TC even a herd of sheep or even kill TCs. How many of these were investigated by the RoC justice system and how many prosecuted.

One of the individuals who took part in the killings of Murataga was a religious teacher in a school in Limasol. Was he investigated, were any GC killer ever investigated? Were any police ever investigated. Whilst it is admirable that people protest doing nothing about it means jack shit.

As to ranting, interesting some cunts here see the ranting of some but not others. I personally do not post abuse to anybody who has not done it to me. You call me names and I will call you names. I realise that we are taking the forum to the gutter but I will defend myself where ever you take it.

In the meantime considering there are just a few contributors, the thread have been read a hell of a lot of time. So you Plonkersteiners either take part in the debate or better still go fuck yourself or even each other. See if I care.

So the fella with a bucket on his head, just fuck off.

[Lordo]

There is a lot of confusion about the meaning of refugee. The light headed individuals are under the impression that refugees can only come from an area of war. it is worth posting the meaning of refugee.

What is the definition of a refugee?

Article 1 of the 1951 Convention defines a refugee as someone who "owing to well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of [their] nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail [themself] of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of [their] former habitual residence, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it."

Regional refugee instruments complement the 1951 Convention and have built upon its definition, by referencing a number of ‘objective’ circumstances compelling refugees to flee their countries of origin. For example, the definition outlined in the 1969 OAU (Organization of African Unity) Refugee Convention includes ‘external aggression, occupation, foreign domination or events seriously disturbing public order’ (Article 1 (2)).

The 1984 Cartagena Declaration includes ‘generalized violence, foreign aggression, internal conflicts, massive violations of human rights or other circumstances which have seriously disturbed public order’ (paragraph III (3)).

[Lordo]

Of course there is another side to this.

What rights do refugees have under the 1951 Convention?

The cornerstone of the 1951 Convention is the principle of non-refoulement contained in Article 33. According to this principle:

A refugee should not be returned to a country where they face serious threats to their life or freedom.
Other rights contained in the 1951 Convention include:

• The right not to be expelled, except under certain, strictly defined conditions (Article 32)
• The right not to be punished for irregular entry into the territory of a contracting State (Article 31)
• The right to non-discrimination (Articles 3 and 5)
• The right to decent work (Articles 17 to 19 and 24)
• The right to housing, land and property, including intellectual property (Articles 13, 14 and 21)
• The right to education (Article 22)
• The right to freedom of religion (Article 4)
• The right to access to justice (Article 16)
• The right to freedom of movement within the territory (Article 26 and Article 31 (2))
• The right to be issued civil, identity and travel documents (Articles 12, 27 and 28)
• The right to social protection (Articles 23 and 24 (2-4)).

By taking the refugees to Rwanda, how many of these are discarded by Mrs Cruella De Ville.

On the other hand of course a country can refuse a refugee on certain grounds.

Can someone be excluded from refugee protection?

Yes. The 1951 Convention only protects persons who meet the criteria for refugee status. Certain categories of people are considered not to deserve refugee protection and should be excluded from such protection. This includes persons for whom there are serious reasons to suspect that:
• they have committed a crime against peace, a war crime, or a crime against humanity;
• they have committed a serious non-political crime outside their country of refuge prior to the admission to that country as a refugee; or
• they are guilty of acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

This could not be clearer as to who is a refugee and who is a migrant.

[Maximus]

Max, RW, and most probably all Greek CF members. You're all the same shit. You all have blood on your hands.

I will have you know that I was trying to transfer as many spoons as I could from one table to the other without using my hands when you posted this thread. At the time of the boat sinking, I was trying to make the broom stand upright on its own while the cat was watching and it can provide an alibi.

I should have known better than to get involved with one of your foul mouthed, accusatory and loaded question threads.

[Londonrake]

I’ve cracked it!

You’re Marios Georgiou …………..from North Greenwich.

And……….. I claim my €50.