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[Maximus]

Notice how you dont blame your beloved Turkey who has been the main de-stabalising factor in the region since Erdogan.

Delusions of grandeur and dreams of restoring the ottoman empire have created lots of problems with neighbors and lots of refugees as a side effect.

I know what you're gonna say "but Turkey is hosting 3 million Syrian refugees".

Too bloody right en al, she should be hosting more as the main protagonist in the conflict.

Now she has stolen and occupies their land but no one is talking about that are they? No, you are too focused on trying to turn the EU tax payer in to the sugar daddy for Syrians, Pakistanis, indians and Bangladeshi's arriving through smuggling networks. Probably set up by endorgan to alleviate his refugee problem and to make a fast black buck because his real economy is fucked.

and you want to know how good a liar are the Greeks? dont make me laugh.

[Pyrpolizer]

Now on whether the Greeks are liars or not, I would say there have been a lot of survivors, and they are the only ones who can say if the Greeks were liars or not. Certainly I cannot imagine any human of any ethnicity letting 750 fellow humans drowning on purpose. Everyone who has seen the videos on TV, should actually praise the Greeks for their humanitarian effort, and after caring of those unfortunate people.

That said, what I think happened, is that the Italians saw the route of the boat heading towards Italy, and decided to roll the problem on Greece, while the boat was still in Greek territorial waters.
The Greeks realized the trick and thought, "what the hell, in a few hours they will be in Italian territorial waters, so let the Italians deal with it."
Eventually the Greeks took action after they received an SOS signal...

Anyway the truth is, nobody wants large numbers of migrants, especially poor EU countries like Greece, who are OBLIDGED by EU regulations to feed them, shelter them, pay lawyers who make a fortune representing them and advising them to apply for asylum etc, and then also pay them a monthly allowance, because the majority can't even find a job to take care of their families. There are other problems too e.g. in Cyprus today, the number of births from asylum seekers, is more than those of locals.

On the matter of refugees Vs economic migrants. Imo the only 100% REAL refugees are only those who seek refuge in neighboring countries. The vast majority intend to return as soon as things get better in their countries.OTOH those who travel thousands of miles, paying thousands of money each to go to the richest places in Europe, are just using their refugee status as a cover up, for seeking a better life. These people are actually economic migrants. None of those intends to ever return to his country as soon as things get better...
This problem could be solved if the EU and other countries make the duration of their stay both limited and conditional by law.

Of course we all know the root of the problem is wars or civil unrest, instigated by the Americans and their partners in the so called Nato "defensive" alliance...

[repulsewarrior]

...well said.

"They" will all work hard to quell (what is for "Them") this PR disaster, by pivoting on its points to be left blameless. Such as it is the political elite have not taken to keeping the public (honestly) informed, or as a collective organise themselves so that on this subject there is open dialog, a more comprehensive accumulation of the facts where together as a result there is action which saves lives. (This is not Greece's problem; it is bigger than that.)

...what is the Pendulum of Civilization; on one side two in affect complementary forces who seek to dominate the swing's impression, and on the other, when such a swing must end what may only be surmised, the power of 'one' as an equal and opposite reaction.

What is the Problem?

...when 'we' can no longer depend on "them", Leaderless if you will, our acts lovingly toward each other is the only power which will seem reasonable: that as Persons we respect and trust each other, and that as Individuals we are all equal.

[Lordo]

Now on whether the Greeks are liars or not, I would say there have been a lot of survivors, and they are the only ones who can say if the Greeks were liars or not. Certainly I cannot imagine any human of any ethnicity letting 750 fellow humans drowning on purpose. Everyone who has seen the videos on TV, should actually praise the Greeks for their humanitarian effort, and after caring of those unfortunate people.

That said, what I think happened, is that the Italians saw the route of the boat heading towards Italy, and decided to roll the problem on Greece, while the boat was still in Greek territorial waters.
The Greeks realized the trick and thought, "what the hell, in a few hours they will be in Italian territorial waters, so let the Italians deal with it."
Eventually the Greeks took action after they received an SOS signal...

Anyway the truth is, nobody wants large numbers of migrants, especially poor EU countries like Greece, who are OBLIDGED by EU regulations to feed them, shelter them, pay lawyers who make a fortune representing them and advising them to apply for asylum etc, and then also pay them a monthly allowance, because the majority can't even find a job to take care of their families. There are other problems too e.g. in Cyprus today, the number of births from asylum seekers, is more than those of locals.

On the matter of refugees Vs economic migrants. Imo the only 100% REAL refugees are only those who seek refuge in neighboring countries. The vast majority intend to return as soon as things get better in their countries.OTOH those who travel thousands of miles, paying thousands of money each to go to the richest places in Europe, are just using their refugee status as a cover up, for seeking a better life. These people are actually economic migrants. None of those intends to ever return to his country as soon as things get better...
This problem could be solved if the EU and other countries make the duration of their stay both limited and conditional by law.

Of course we all know the root of the problem is wars or civil unrest, instigated by the Americans and their partners in the so called Nato "defensive" alliance...

Like I said this will be investigated and soon we shall find out but you have to realise that Greek Coastguard have been filmed trying to sink a boat using a pole to puncture the skin and were also filmed hitting refugees with a pole and pushing them away using the pole. They were also filmed passing a boat at high speed to create a wave to try to sink it. These guys have form on this.

Having said that I agree that not only Greece but also Italy are suffering the same in the EU. Some time ago it was agreed that all the EU countries would share the burden of refugees by taking more from Greece and Italy but I suspect as per usual they have not helped. So clearly Greece is in no economic position to help these people.

As to who is a refugee and who is not. According to UN there are 100 Million refugees around the world. 75 Million do not actually move outside their country and just move to another safer part. We than have 25 Million who move mostly to neighboring countries and a very small proportion actually make the journey further afield. Of those who take to the boats majority clearly cannot return any time soon and the neighboring countries are too poor to help which is why they head towards Europe. In anycase an Afghani Refugee does not feel safe in Pakistan, they can be found and killed any time there. Some just cannot return period. Can you really expect anytime soon for a refugee from Sudan, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan or Iran to returning back.

The west has created this mess and the west has to help. Unfortunately it is actually Yanks who do most damage militarily and economically to drive these people from their home and they do very little to help. The Europeans sheepishly follow the Yanks and just as sheepishly have to pick up the bill for the cost.

The Europeans do not need to stop these people working while their claim is being processed, they can be registered and allowed to earn a living like they did with the Ukrainians refugees. This stinks of racism too.

By the way it is not EU laws that oblige a country to look after refugees. It is the UN Human rights convention. All a refugee has to do is turn up at a border with or without paperwork and declare asylums and the country is obliged to help.
By all means they do investigate and prove who these people are so that is not the issue. If they have given false information, they are allowed to refuse you asylum. But the west has declared war on the Asylum seekers and have declared all of the as illegal migrants. This is against International law.

[Lordo]

Watch this and see what they are up to.

[Maximus]

So far about 100 people have been rescued, from the estimated 700 people that paid $6500 a head to illegally enter the EU.

Meanwhile in Pakistan, the nation has a day of mourning, as HUNDREDS have died in the tragedy.

Now tell me, since when and why have Pakistanis become refugees?

Also on board who have likely drowned, dozens of Egyptians.

Now tell me, the one who is full of wisdom.

Since when and why have Egyptians and Pakistanis become refugees?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/1 ... oat-mishap

90-95% of the people trying to enter the EU are bogus refugees. This is now a fact.

Most of the people are illegally migrating and doing it in a very stupid and risky way.

And you have to be a real plonker to not see this because it has been going on since 2015 and the facts have been gathered from all these asylum applications and claims.

In my opinion the only people to blame for this are the people who got on board the boat and the people who organised it and took their money.

[Maximus]

Watch this and see what they are up to.

What is this? is it a bunch of Pakistanis illegally trying to enter Greece from Turkey?

[Pyrpolizer]

Like I said this will be investigated and soon we shall find out but you have to realise that Greek Coastguard have been filmed trying to sink a boat using a pole to puncture the skin and were also filmed hitting refugees with a pole and pushing them away using the pole. They were also filmed passing a boat at high speed to create a wave to try to sink it. These guys have form on this.

The vast majority of those videos are staged from the Turks.
Fyi I 've seen videos showing Turkish border guards shooting at refugees who couldn't cross the Evros river at the North of Greece, and were trying to go back to Turkey.
I wouldn't take any of those at face value.

Let's analyze the video you posted: It talks of refugees, sailing from the coast of Bordum heading towards Greek island Kos.

For a start no EU Country has open borders policy either for refugees or not refugees. And the Coast Guard has a duty to repel anyone who tries to cross over illegally, either they are refugees or not refugees. Otherwise what's the purpose of having a Coast Guard? To "Hoshgeldin" everyone?? I think the only exception is when the life of those people is at risk.

Secondly there is no evidence those people were refugees. Notice the incident happened at the exact borderline against only the boat that tried to cross. The 2nd boat was just filming from a safe distance probably within the Turkish territorial waters. I 'd bet they were all regular Turkish citizens on stage.

Thirdly notice that those "refugees" presumably sailed from Bordum which is 16 Km from the nearest Greek Island Kos. What kind of crazy "refugees" were they, risking their lives for such a long trip while there are hundreds of Greek islands at walking distance from Turkish shores?
But even assuming they had to go to Kos, why should they sail from Bordum and not from Akyarlar which is only 5 Km away?

Now a few words about the EU hypocrites:
a)They currently do have an open border policy only for the Ukrainians. So no Ukrainian has to risk his life going anywhere as a refugee.
b) As soon as a refugee gets asylum status, he has to stay in that specific Country. He cannot move to any other EU country as there is no freedom of movement for these people. Imagine their disappointment realizing that after getting asylum here in Cyprus, they cannot go to their dream lands like Germany or England.
Currently we have about 5% of our population coming as refugees per year!

[Maximus]

Yeah but deportations and voluntary returns have also been stepped up in Cyprus and it will likely double in the coming months. Cyprus is actually leading the way in deportations and sooner or later, the EU will get its act together and start mass deportations and a zero tolerance policy for bogus asylum seeking.

Have you noticed the rocketing inflation, how the rents and asking prices have spiraled out of control and accommodation is generally in very short supply?

This is the side affect of unchecked mass migration. The locals get squeezed from every direction.

[Pyrpolizer]

Not a day passes by, without receiving at least one phone call on my mobile phone from these people asking for a job-any job. Where the hell do they find my number? I mean OK some 20 years ago I used to include it on the advertisement panel outside the construction projects I had some involvement, but all those panels have fainted over the years...
Imagine how many phone calls, others who do a lot of ads get!

There was a period I employed some of those people mostly Pakistani, after asking them to show me their work permit. It turned out ALL of them either presented me fake documents, or documents which were not theirs...