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[Robin Hood]

It would appear from this piece in the DM that the Chief of Police and The Justice Minister are going to make it a crime to criticise the Police!

So who is going to decide whether a complaint is justified or not? Have any of you actually tried complaining about the way the police address a crime when advised by a member of the public. If not ........ try it and your eyes will be opened as to just how arrogant and ignorant these people are!

How many of you are aware that under the RoC Constitution the police are there for your benefit and to serve you? This is determined by the Police Code of Conduct, Art.1. Now ...... if the police handle a request badly they want to jail you for pointing it out. The POLICE will determine what is and what isn't a justified complaint. I smell self serving corruption ...... as if we didn't have enough of that in Cyprus already!

https://cyprus-mail.com/2023/05/26/police-meet-to-discuss-criminalisation-of-false-complaints/

[Kikapu]

It would appear from this piece in the DM that the Chief of Police and The Justice Minister are going to make it a crime to criticise the Police!

So who is going to decide whether a complaint is justified or not? Have any of you actually tried complaining about the way the police address a crime when advised by a member of the public. If not ........ try it and your eyes will be opened as to just how arrogant and ignorant these people are!

How many of you are aware that under the RoC Constitution the police are there for your benefit and to serve you? This is determined by the Police Code of Conduct, Art.1. Now ...... if the police handle a request badly they want to jail you for pointing it out. The POLICE will determine what is and what isn't a justified complaint. I smell self serving corruption ...... as if we didn't have enough of that in Cyprus already!

https://cyprus-mail.com/2023/05/26/police-meet-to-discuss-criminalisation-of-false-complaints/

Police generally "protect and serve" themselves paid by those they are meant to protect and serve. Police institutions in most countries are corrupt, including those so called Democratic countries where the so called Freedom of Speech is enshrined in their constitution. They are just a another street gangs with a badge and a gun.

[Londonrake]

Forgive this intervention.

In the many years I’ve known you, out-with and on forums various, for the latter most of which has amounted to the crossing of swords, you’ve consistently either lept to their defence, or have enthusiastically promoted the interests of the most authoritarian regimes on this planet.

Viewed through that lense, perhaps you can see the irony in your angry indignation at the prospect of Cyprus becoming a “Police State”.

Although, quite what that could amount to stretches the imagination a bit.

[Lordo]

It would appear from this piece in the DM that the Chief of Police and The Justice Minister are going to make it a crime to criticise the Police!

So who is going to decide whether a complaint is justified or not? Have any of you actually tried complaining about the way the police address a crime when advised by a member of the public. If not ........ try it and your eyes will be opened as to just how arrogant and ignorant these people are!

How many of you are aware that under the RoC Constitution the police are there for your benefit and to serve you? This is determined by the Police Code of Conduct, Art.1. Now ...... if the police handle a request badly they want to jail you for pointing it out. The POLICE will determine what is and what isn't a justified complaint. I smell self serving corruption ...... as if we didn't have enough of that in Cyprus already!

https://cyprus-mail.com/2023/05/26/police-meet-to-discuss-criminalisation-of-false-complaints/

Police on Thursday met with the minister of justice to discuss the criminalisation of false, imaginary or non-existent complaints.

We have this here, it is called wasting police's time. This day and age with mobile phone technology, it is easy to prove the wrong doing of the police. There is also lots of cctv cameras all round.

The other day, police claimed that they were not anywhere near the crash that the two boys had in Cardiff. Soon after the announcement there was an image on a cctv camera of a police van chasing them just before the crash.

[Robin Hood]

Forgive this intervention.

In the many years I’ve known you, out-with and on forums various, for the latter most of which has amounted to the crossing of swords, you’ve consistently either lept to their defence, or have enthusiastically promoted the interests of the most authoritarian regimes on this planet.

Viewed through that lense, perhaps you can see the irony in your angry indignation at the prospect of Cyprus becoming a “Police State”.

Although, quite what that could amount to stretches the imagination a bit.

This is why people get fed up with you! You don't answer the post ..... you pass your opinion of the poster!

[Robin Hood]

We have this here, it is called wasting police's time. This day and age with mobile phone technology, it is easy to prove the wrong doing of the police. There is also lots of cctv cameras all round.

The other day, police claimed that they were not anywhere near the crash that the two boys had in Cardiff. Soon after the announcement there was an image on a cctv camera of a police van chasing them just before the crash.

Your comment is an example of why the police think that Laws are required to prevent criticism!

The videos you refer to were NOT taken at the UK accident scene! The boys took off down a walkway that the police van could not pass through .... they took a longer route and came up on them AFTER they crashed. The police therefore did not cause the crash. There was great uproar in the MSM but this part never made the headlines. So in my book what you quoted was a criticism that is not accurate.

But I notice nobody is questioning why the police followed them if they were doing nothing wrong? They were 15 and 16 years old? Maybe they were riding badly and likely to cause an accident and fled because neither had a valid licence or insurance? Or don't you need these pre-requisites now?

However giving the police the power to effectively judge them selves is not the smartest of ideas to put forward in Cyprus, because police accusations are just as likely to be false or lacking in evidence.

[Pyrpolizer]

It would appear from this piece in the DM that the Chief of Police and The Justice Minister are going to make it a crime to criticise the Police!

So who is going to decide whether a complaint is justified or not? Have any of you actually tried complaining about the way the police address a crime when advised by a member of the public. If not ........ try it and your eyes will be opened as to just how arrogant and ignorant these people are!

How many of you are aware that under the RoC Constitution the police are there for your benefit and to serve you? This is determined by the Police Code of Conduct, Art.1. Now ...... if the police handle a request badly they want to jail you for pointing it out. The POLICE will determine what is and what isn't a justified complaint. I smell self serving corruption ...... as if we didn't have enough of that in Cyprus already!

https://cyprus-mail.com/2023/05/26/police-meet-to-discuss-criminalisation-of-false-complaints/

South Africa during the apartheid was supposed to be be a Police State because it had an "enormous" ratio of policemen per citizen. That ratio was then 1:400. At that time Cyprus already had >2500 police force, and I was then suprised to find out that we slightly exceeded S.A's ratio !! Ever since then their number has more than doubled (nearly 6K today), therefore Cyprus WAS AND STILL IS A POLICE STATE, assuming the definition is based on the ratio of Policemen per citizen.

I could digest this waste of our tax payer money if this Police was effective though. In reality it is totally ineffective, the vast majority work between 7:30 -14:30 (like all public servants) and from there after (especially at nights) the whole place is on it's fate concerning all sorts of crimes. Trying calling to 1460 after these hours-especially in the evening. Yes they will answer your call, yes they will file it, yes they will say they will send a squad car to check the matter, but they will never send anything.
And if you have the patience to call again and again every half an hour, they will connect you to officer in charge, who eventually will admit they only deal with "serious" crimes at nights because they don't have enough personnel on duty.

As for the matter of trying complaining against the Police, there's a say in Cyprus "αυκα πας τον τοιχο" meaning it's as if you try breaking a wall by throwing eggs on it.

NB. To be fair the Cyprus' Police is only effective concerning really serious crimes, like murder etc.
They could deal with a selection of a few robberies and other not so serious crimes, but not for anything they would have to move more than their little finger.

[Londonrake]

Forgive this intervention.

In the many years I’ve known you, out-with and on forums various, for the latter most of which has amounted to the crossing of swords, you’ve consistently either lept to their defence, or have enthusiastically promoted the interests of the most authoritarian regimes on this planet.

Viewed through that lense, perhaps you can see the irony in your angry indignation at the prospect of Cyprus becoming a “Police State”.

Although, quite what that could amount to stretches the imagination a bit.

This is why people get fed up with you! You don't answer the post ..... you pass your opinion of the poster!

I gave up worrying about that (if I ever actually did) long ago. I couldn’t give a Tinker’s cuss. And if you think others, including yourself, have been short of ad-hominem in their posts on this forum…………..

I don’t know what your problems have been with Cypol but in my earlier professional and few personal experiences I’ve found them to be relatively good. If anything, they’re too “laid back”. They’ve never come across as willfully malignant.

As is often the case though, you’ve evaded my point.

You’ve always been pro-Russian, Iranian and Chinese. Even having nothing but good to say about chubby-chops’ activities. Nations all, with extensively pervasive security, para-military and police organisations. Regimes that execute and imprison at record rates with impunity, often for political or relatively trivial - not unusually trumped up - reasons

You’ve had no problems at all going along with any of that. “Seems fair enough” Yet, you complain about some non-story in the CM which - Heaven forbid - could potentially impinge on your personal liberty.

[Pyrpolizer]

Forgive this intervention.

You are excused. We know in advance what's going to follow.

In the many years I’ve known you, out-with and on forums various, for the latter most of which has amounted to the crossing of swords, you’ve consistently either lept to their defence, or have enthusiastically promoted the interests of the most authoritarian regimes on this planet.

Viewed through that lense, perhaps you can see the irony in your angry indignation at the prospect of Cyprus becoming a “Police State”.

Although, quite what that could amount to stretches the imagination a bit.

This is why people get fed up with you! You don't answer the post ..... you pass your opinion of the poster!

I gave up worrying about that (if I ever actually did) long ago. I couldn’t give a Tinker’s cuss. And if you think others, including yourself, have been short of ad-hominem in their posts on this forum…………..

I don’t know what your problems have been with Cypol but in my earlier professional and few personal experiences I’ve found them to be relatively good. If anything, they’re too “laid back”. They’ve never come across as willfully malignant.

As is often the case though, you’ve evaded my point.

You’ve always been pro-Russian, Iranian and Chinese. Even having nothing but good to say about chubby-chops’ activities. Nations all, with extensively pervasive security, para-military and police organisations. Regimes that execute and imprison at record rates with impunity, often for political or relatively trivial - not unusually trumped up - reasons

said the man who likes to complain of "whataboutism"

You’ve had no problems at all going along with any of that. “Seems fair enough” Yet, you complain about some non-story in the CM which - Heaven forbid - could potentially impinge on your personal liberty.

[Lordo]

We have this here, it is called wasting police's time. This day and age with mobile phone technology, it is easy to prove the wrong doing of the police. There is also lots of cctv cameras all round.

The other day, police claimed that they were not anywhere near the crash that the two boys had in Cardiff. Soon after the announcement there was an image on a cctv camera of a police van chasing them just before the crash.

Your comment is an example of why the police think that Laws are required to prevent criticism!

The videos you refer to were NOT taken at the UK accident scene! The boys took off down a walkway that the police van could not pass through .... they took a longer route and came up on them AFTER they crashed. The police therefore did not cause the crash. There was great uproar in the MSM but this part never made the headlines. So in my book what you quoted was a criticism that is not accurate.

But I notice nobody is questioning why the police followed them if they were doing nothing wrong? They were 15 and 16 years old? Maybe they were riding badly and likely to cause an accident and fled because neither had a valid licence or insurance? Or don't you need these pre-requisites now?

However giving the police the power to effectively judge them selves is not the smartest of ideas to put forward in Cyprus, because police accusations are just as likely to be false or lacking in evidence.

Not at all. If the police see a situation situation as you describe, they have the right to stop and ask for evidence. But the police should have declared that as soon as the news got out. Instead they hid the fact that they were chasing them. In any case E Bikes do not need to be insured and the riders do not need a license to ride them.
Is there a report on them as to what happened?