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[Kikapu]

It is this kind of cuntish things police do and then they wonder why they are hated by the public.

This video was only release a day or two ago, but there are hundreds of such videos on the net where such cops act like cunts.

[Londonrake]

said the man who likes to complain of "whataboutism"

Not at all. You’ve misunderstood. Both are related in context.

RH has been a long term, enthusiastic supporter of nations with repressive police/military organisations. Countries where they’re an intrinsic part of the State’s security apparatus. He then complains about a CM report on the possible extension of police powers here (trivial in comparison) which could impinge upon his own freedoms.

Unlike - say - bringing up what the US did in Vietnam 50 years ago, or Churchill in India 60, as a countering, supportive argument for Russia’s current activities in Ukraine. That’s more a case of Whataboutism

Oops, nearly forgot to add Which always adds weight to a post.

BTW. Thought your Slavyangrad (a famously objective source) report on the organ harvesting scandal was interesting. Looking forward to the one where Ukrainians, dressed up in SS regalia, are seen bayoneting Russian babies.

[Pyrpolizer]

Oh, we now have a new definition of whataboutism...
Which btw, I always claimed it was a perfectly acceptable form of raising a point. It's you who claimed the opposite, not me.
It's upto you to believe or discard the video testimony posted in Slavyangrad. The only channel I ever claimed to be "a famously objective source" was RYBAR!
I think you better stick to BBC, CNN, Reuters, Washington Post, the Gurdian etc.
In any case the activities of that Dutch, organs merchant, have been known a long ago.

[Londonrake]

Oh, we now have a new definition of whataboutism...
Which btw, I always claimed it was a perfectly acceptable form of raising a point. It's you who claimed the opposite, not me.
It's upto you to believe or discard the video testimony posted in Slavyangrad. The only channel I ever claimed to be "a famously objective source" was RYBAR!
I think you better stick to BBC, CNN, Reuters, Washington Post, the Gurdian etc.
In any case the activities of that Dutch, organs merchant, have been known a long ago.

No. Again:

"The technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counter-accusation or raising a different issue."

Wrt the OP, I wasn't responding to any question or accusation. Moreover, nothing I said about it was wrong. I doubt RH would disagree with my observation that he's been a fervent supporter of authoritarian regimes over many years. So, what? That's life. We've had quite a lot of argy-bargy "fun" about it sometimes.

To adopt that position though and then complain about a potentially (my money's on it being kicked out) relatively trivial change here is a bit of a logical anomaly (I'm being polite). I just think he didn't see it coming and - as you will have seen - rather than acknowledge it reverted to the ole "sticks 'n 'stones" response

If somebody tries - as they often do (no names) - to justify ongoing events by referencing quite dated historical ones then they're simply desperately off the plot. Cue whataboutism.

You guys all have your impeccable "sources" but the original fount for most of them can be found by following the trail back to Moscow/St Petersburgh. Then, the accusations of disinformation and remarks about others' gullibility get thrown around (nowadays mostly at poor old RW). I do sometimes wonder whether you all believe some of the stuff posted, or are just willing and loyal volunteers (not to mention free ones) in the Kremlin's extensive efforts to spread it.

I don't "stick" to any of the MSM tomes/channels you name and very rarely post links from any of them. They would be immediately discarded. Usually with a dismissive "I haven't got the time or inclination to look at this rubbish. It's for gullible idiots!". I do actually look at a lot of the stuff you guys come up with. More than most I suspect.

Dating back to the beginning and all the stories about Zelensky being a cross-dressing, Charlie snorting, perv with zillions in Swiss accounts I have always viewed the organ harvesting type stories with a jaundiced eye. There are as many doing the rounds about Putin. What would you say if I posted them? Exactly.

[Pyrpolizer]

I would say post them and we will judge for ourselves.
The first question anyone should ask is whether anyone benefits from spreading lies.
I don't see any benefit for the Russian state out of Slavyangrad's video testimony. Even if there is a Dutch State investigation against the Dutch woman transplanter who reportedly was extracting kidneys within 7-10 minutes, the only one who will benefit is still not the Russian State. Notice her real name was reported.

[Londonrake]

I would say post them and we will judge for ourselves.
The first question anyone should ask is whether anyone benefits from spreading lies.
I don't see any benefit for the Russian state out of Slavyangrad's video testimony. Even if there is a Dutch State investigation against the Dutch woman transplanter who reportedly was extracting kidneys within 7-10 minutes, the only one who will benefit is still not the Russian State. Notice her real name was reported.

I wouldn't post them because in the main they're BS. I'm sure you will be well aware of the claims, anyway.

Having said that, clearly, anybody who subscribes to the idea the man lives in a small flat and walks to work in the Kremlin everyday is suffering from an irredeemable attack of naivety. Putin, is clearly not short of a bob or two and certainly seems to have ensured he has significant assets available. As an example, recently, some embarrassing revelations, in the form of plans from a private contractor regarding modifications to Putin's quite extensive "palace" (more fortress) at Gelendzhik on the Black Sea have come to light. It struck me as something akin to one of the grandiose Bond sets.

Despite, I imagine Putin appreciates the odds of him being able to enjoy such things, post-retirement, are likely to be very short. The man's a veritable prisoner - in the web he chose to weave - until the end. Whatever form - long or short - that might take.

The benefits of propaganda are as old as the hills (much refined by the likes of Joseph Goebbels of course). It erodes the credibility of the target and undermines their support. An overriding priority wrt Ukraine and the West presently.

The more the Russian effort bleeds away, the louder the squealing from their (extensive) propaganda organs is likely to become. You're going to be busy I think.

[Robin Hood]

said the man who likes to complain of "whataboutism"

Not at all. You’ve misunderstood. Both are related in context.

RH has been a long term, enthusiastic supporter of nations with repressive police/military organisations. Countries where they’re an intrinsic part of the State’s security apparatus. He then complains about a CM report on the possible extension of police powers here (trivial in comparison) which could impinge upon his own freedoms.

Unlike - say - bringing up what the US did in Vietnam 50 years ago, or Churchill in India 60, as a countering, supportive argument for Russia’s current activities in Ukraine. That’s more a case of Whataboutism

Oops, nearly forgot to add Which always adds weight to a post.

BTW. Thought your Slavyangrad (a famously objective source) report on the organ harvesting scandal was interesting. Looking forward to the one where Ukrainians, dressed up in SS regalia, are seen bayoneting Russian babies.

You have spent most of your life in the RAF? They have their own police force that maintain discipline, Law and order and are as much a ‘repressive police/military organisations’ as any Police Force, far more so than the civilian police. But they have a chain of command that ensures those powers are not abused.

The Russian police are no different. You are just automatically programmed to see everything Russian as evil! They have laws and the police enforce them ........ look at the UK and you can see what happens when the BLM, Stop Oil, Trans rights, LGBTQRST etc have their say ...... everything goes downhill for the majority. That will not happen in Russia as they have no tolerance for the WOKE society that Western countries so readily embrace.

As for violenc? Compare the French police dealing with demonstrators and the Russian method. I would suggest the French are far more aggressive and repressive than the Russian equivalent.

I am all in favour of a strong police force with the power to do their job! Any society requires discipline, social order and compliance with the Law to function for the benefit of ALL the people. If you enable the police powers without a need to comply with their own Code of Conduct .......... you have a police State and that leads to abuse!

By all means penalise people for wasting police time with trivial complaints by imposing fines. But to make it a criminal offence to complain in Cyprus would be a grave mistake as the self serving corruption is endemic.

It must be 20 years ago when the police authorities found out that many of those in the Police Academy passed the exams with flying colours ....... because they knew the questions in advance. I don’t remember all the details but the authorities admitted they had no idea how long this had been going on for or how many had got into the police by cheating. Many of these are now ‘the management’ of the police service. I could tell you a few stories I have heard from Cypriots about police corruption and how many abuse their powers!

Another problem in Cyprus is that because of strong union control promotion in the Police is not on merit! It is like school teachers ...... they get promoted when their name gets to the top of the list.

You are just expressing your opinions which are heavily biased and anti everything and everyone, who happens to disagree with you.

[Londonrake]

You have spent most of your life in the RAF? They have their own police force that maintain discipline, Law and order and are as much a ‘repressive police/military organisations’ as any Police Force, far more so than the civilian police. But they have a chain of command that ensures those powers are not abused.

The Russian police are no different. You are just automatically programmed to see everything Russian as evil! They have laws and the police enforce them ........ look at the UK and you can see what happens when the BLM, Stop Oil, Trans rights, LGBTQRST etc have their say ...... everything goes downhill for the majority. That will not happen in Russia as they have no tolerance for the WOKE society that Western countries so readily embrace.

As for violenc? Compare the French police dealing with demonstrators and the Russian method. I would suggest the French are far more aggressive and repressive than the Russian equivalent.

I am all in favour of a strong police force with the power to do their job! Any society requires discipline, social order and compliance with the Law to function for the benefit of ALL the people. If you enable the police powers without a need to comply with their own Code of Conduct .......... you have a police State and that leads to abuse!

By all means penalise people for wasting police time with trivial complaints by imposing fines. But to make it a criminal offence to complain in Cyprus would be a grave mistake as the self serving corruption is endemic.

It must be 20 years ago when the police authorities found out that many of those in the Police Academy passed the exams with flying colours ....... because they knew the questions in advance. I don’t remember all the details but the authorities admitted they had no idea how long this had been going on for or how many had got into the police by cheating. Many of these are now ‘the management’ of the police service. I could tell you a few stories I have heard from Cypriots about police corruption and how many abuse their powers!

Another problem in Cyprus is that because of strong union control promotion in the Police is not on merit! It is like school teachers ...... they get promoted when their name gets to the top of the list.

You are just expressing your opinions which are heavily biased and anti everything and everyone, who happens to disagree with you.

That's a shed load of obfuscation, over quite a simple - and irrefutable - observation.

No, I didn't spend my life in the Forces. About half of my working years I think. Moreover, those I spent in the Army/RAF bore no resemblance at all to your bitter, resentful and grudge motivated view. Frankly, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about in that respect.

And no, I don't see everything Russian as "evil". I have nothing against Russians, per se. I think I have a realistic attitude to the way things are, influenced though by an ingrained, long family experience, revulsion of dictatorships. We lost people. If anybody thinks that, after 22 years of absolute power in Russia, Vladimir Putin is not a dictator they're delusional.

Your "automatically programmed" is the sort of BS attitude that - despite my several times pointing out the way things were heading - and trying hard to avoid it - has lead to this, same ole, same ole, shite it seems. So be it.

The Russian police force are different. Their influence is all pervasive. Their numbers irrelevant, Their powers are what it's all about. If you think Russia is not a "Police State" then you are in cuckoo land. There, you can be locked up for 25 years for the "offence" of publicly opposing the war in Ukraine. They've put people away for even suggesting that what's happened in Ukraine is a "war/invasion". Publicly, politically opposing Putin is a certain ticket to incarceration or assassination. Contrast that with the sort of protesting/publicly expressing anti-west views in the environment we're fortunate to enjoy. The freedom you and your like-minded colleagues in here take for granted but seem to loath so much.

The rest of your post about Cypol may or may not be true. The fact is, this isn't Russia by a long shot. Your advocacy of States like Russian/Iran/China/North Korea, given this OP about how angry you are at the possibility of a change in the law here regarding police powers is simply rank hypocrisy. And you well understand - in the light of your posting history - what a total cock up it was.

You made a mistake. Own it.

I'm absolutely not "expressing your opinions which are heavily biased and anti everything and everyone, who happens to disagree with you" (gotta keep in with the boys). I'm just pointing out what a hypocrite you are in this respect.

More?

Can you afford the sleepless nights?

So..................... how are your friends at the DT these days?