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[Rude Gal]

Until the time Turkey invaded no TC had been killed in 1974 and only a small number of GCs had been killed.

I will read up on this and get back to you.

If your view that only time everyone gets their rights back is when solution happens, we can be waiting till infinity with your man PapdaD who just wants to hurt the TCs even in sports!

Turks, like Greeks, are fanatical about sport, so while it is not a life-death situation, the action has huge symbolism about the way one side feels it's OK to treat the other to try & influence end political goal.

What happened up to/incl 74 was bad for all. To use it as reason to constantly hurt otherside is not on, especially when TCs have shown commitment to solving this problem (change leaders, vote yes for Annan, change history books, change message at Ledra Palace - not all perfect but showing much more good will and attitude change than South).

[Piratis]

We have a clash over whose rights and freedoms prevails, as what I want and what you want do not fit hand-in-glove stylee

Don't confuse what you and I want, with what you and I have the right (legal/human) for.

Your wants can be unlimited and can include anything that can fit in your imagination, your rights are specific.

Originally from Limassol and Paphos, they are now all refugees in North. Some of them (my parents included) do not want to live with GCs again - ever. Is it right you force them?

They can go live in a Turkish only village. Cyprus is the land of all Cypriots including GCs. If they don't want to even see GCs in front of them then not only they have to leave from Cyprus they have to live out of EU altogether since GCs as equal EU citizens are allowed to live anywhere in the EU that they want to. If some racists have a problem with having neighbors of specific race then this is not a problem of GCs. (My example is directed for both GCs and TCs)

The solution I propose: To end racism and hate instead of finding excuses as to why it should continue.

Example. GC refugee now has nice home/life in South, but aspires to return home in Morphou/Kyrenia, whereever. Person in North is also a refugee and they have nowhere to go. How do you deal with that? Better to give financial compensation or move person out and then to what/where?

If he is also a refugee then it means he has his own home somewhere.
Solutions:
1) Go to live in his own home
2) Sell his home and buy the home from the GC refugee (if GC refugee agrees)
3) Sell his home and buy another home in the same village/town.

There are many ways to solve such problems without violating the human, legal and democratic rights of anybody.

[Rude Gal]

There are many ways to solve such problems without violating the human, legal and democratic rights of anybody.

Yes, I agree, so why does PapaD go chasing the enforcement of the embargoes violate our rights on an ongoing basis, than a solution? And why do you support such a man?

[Main_Source]

Rude Gal...if Turkish Cypriots dont want to live alongside Greek Cypriots in Cyprus...then they can go emigrate to Turkey where im sure they will be glad to see the Greek second class citizens. Cyprus is for all Cypriots and NO WAY do Turkish Cypriots have any particular extra rights to any part of Cyprus. Get this through your head.

[fideld]

Yes, I agree, so why does PapaD go chasing the enforcement of the embargoes violate our rights on an ongoing basis, than a solution? And why do you support such a man?

Very simply because the problem is the occupation of our land by the turkish troops. There is no way that the rights of the turkish cypriots will be respected through the so called TRNC. This will happen only after the final dividing of the country if a solution cannot be found.
We will always support a gov that places embargo to an illegal state as long as we are supposed to try and find a legal solution. 30 years of no recognition have not teached you this lesson?

change leaders, vote yes for Annan, change history books, change message at Ledra Palace - not all perfect but showing much more good will and attitude change than South).

Thank you we will stick to NO. If you take out the non TCs that illegally voted, you actually voted no too...

GC refugee now has nice home/life in South, but aspires to return home in Morphou/Kyrenia, whereever. Person in North is also a refugee and they have nowhere to go. How do you deal with that? Better to give financial compensation or move person out and then to what/where?

Ask Denktash and the turkish army, why they kept you isolated from civilized world for so many years. Wake up!

As for "taking back the land that you stole from us" - what about the political rights you stole from TCs? You restore that, we sort the land out. I think they call this approach a political settlement

When you understand that you can be a part of RoC and a part of EU through the RoC, and respect the fact that you are a minority (like the turks ask -by force- )the kurds then the problem and the human rights issue of the TC is solved. The army foolished you. You lost 30 years of living in a dream, because you could not accept after 74 that a solution can be found on a majority/minority basis as is the logical proportion, respecting both nation.

[suetoniuspaulinus]

Nah, we didn't steal it. You lost it. Just like Istanbul.and as far as restoring your "Human Rights" are concerned, do not forget UNHCR was disbanded in 1997, because there were no more refugees left to monitor,