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[Leonidas]

You have to remember that it is predominantly Turkish Cypriots who are in the North and we do not "occupy"

This is because you performed ethnic cleansing against Greek Cypriots who were the majority in the northern part of Cyprus.

You did know that GCs were the majority in Kerinia, Morfou, Famagusta etc, until you ethnically cleansed them in 1974 right? You also know that the land still belongs to those GCs, right? Or they don't teach you this at your schools?

If we want former, then it starts with PapaD ending the policy of embargoes against Turkish Cypriots

No, it starts by ending the illegalities and the violations of our human rights.

THERE YOU GO PIRATI AGAIN. ETHNIC CLEANSING. AS IF WE THE GC HAVE BEEN AS INNOCENT ON THAT. !!! BLAH BLAH BLAH
I AM SUPRISED THE IS NO MENTION OF THE AMERICANS.

[Rude Gal]

Piratis, stop trying to make your side look as if they are the only victims. THEY ARE NOT!

We know all about it the lands your people formerly lived on. The people in those regions have been living in limbo for decades, unable to move forward with their lives cos any day they could be uprooted. What a life - NOT!

Yet many GCs use the land of TCs to build airports, grow crops, and have a damn fine life. They present Cypriotness as Greek only (hence Turkish not even an official EU language and a zillion more examples like that...) and are happier seeing as down then up. Not on!

If your people were more open to compromise, we would be moving forward. But it seems bad energy (embargoes) over common sense (solution) is where the GC focus is. No good (for GCs) will come of it...

[Rude Gal]

I AM SUPRISED THE IS NO MENTION OF THE AMERICANS.

don't tempt him! P only needs a nudge and he's off.
Still, think my posts have done that already.

Was a good day so far - long-lie in, Spurs (my football team) won, then I had to ruin it and go online...

I'm off to bus some tunes!

[Leonidas]

I AM SUPRISED THE IS NO MENTION OF THE AMERICANS.

don't tempt him! P only needs a nudge and he's off.
Still, think my posts have done that already.

Was a good day so far - long-lie in, Spurs (my football team) won, then I had to ruin it and go online...

I'm off to bus some tunes!

I know. It has gone too far. Wasting my time for what?
You go get some tunes and I will get some zzzzzzzzzzzzz
Reading most of the pro GC posts here bored me. Just like dealing with adolescents ................. Waaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaa

[Rude Gal]

Piratis: Turkey saved us and alot of GCs. It was war. People suffer including many innocents. What happened after was not good, but I look at Israel and Ireland and think, could have been much worse...

As for "taking back the land that you stole from us" - what about the political rights you stole from TCs? You restore that, we sort the land out. I think they call this approach a political settlement

Finally, our incentive to improve our life goes hand-in-had with restoring GC rights, that's why 65% voted Yes.

Still waiting to hear about GC incentive...

[Rude Gal]

You go get some tunes and I will get some zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Too much of this bad for sleep, so Leo you just go think about sexy XXX (feel free to insert your thing! ) and big winnings at the casino and I'm sure you'll have some sweet dreams...

[Piratis]

Piratis, stop trying to make your side look as if they are the only victims. THEY ARE NOT!

I never said that.

How about this: We leave the past behind, the illegal Turkish occupation ends, and all Cypriots (both TCs and GCs) receive all their legal, human and democratic rights?

Do you agree?

[Leonidas]

Piratis, stop trying to make your side look as if they are the only victims. THEY ARE NOT!

I never said that.

How about this: We leave the past behind, the illegal Turkish occupation ends, and all Cypriots (both TCs and GCs) receive all their legal, human and democratic rights?

Do you agree?

[Piratis]

Turkey saved us and alot of GCs. It was war.

Until the time Turkey invaded no TC had been killed in 1974 and only a small number of GCs had been killed. Turkey saved us by killing 6000 people and ethnically cleansing 200.000?

There was no war. It was a coup. Coups happened in Turkey itself many times. The war started when Turkey invaded.

As for "taking back the land that you stole from us" - what about the political rights you stole from TCs? You restore that, we sort the land out. I think they call this approach a political settlement

This is what I've been saying all along. The only difference is that this should happen simultaneously. You get your rights and we get our rights at the same time.

[Rude Gal]

How about this: We leave the past behind, the illegal Turkish occupation ends, and all Cypriots (both TCs and GCs) receive all their legal, human and democratic rights?

Do you agree?

Yes I do. But Houston, we have a problem

We have a clash over whose rights and freedoms prevails, as what I want and what you want do not fit hand-in-glove stylee (cos we not in 1963, or 74, but 2006).

Means we have to look at best possible way to ensure as many of OUR (that's both of ours) people's rights can be respected, and where it cannot, we compensate. It will not be possible to make everyone happy.

If you cannot accept this premise, I say you are not being real. Here's why:

Example. My parents' families suffered a great deal from 50s to present day through the troubles. Killings, missing persons, refugees (so lots in common with lots of other Cypriots of both ethnicities). Originally from Limassol and Paphos, they are now all refugees in North. Some of them (my parents included) do not want to live with GCs again - ever. Is it right you force them?

Example. GC refugee now has nice home/life in South, but aspires to return home in Morphou/Kyrenia, whereever. Person in North is also a refugee and they have nowhere to go. How do you deal with that? Better to give financial compensation or move person out and then to what/where?

Compromise and a handle on the practical impact of these conversations and aspirations ar key to future progress. Increasing expectations to an unreal level is not.

I await your wise responses...