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Re: World cup in Qatar

Postby Get Real! » Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:18 am

Paphitis wrote:The sport needs to be repackaged to fit the Australian and American markets which like high pace, and hard impact sports.

???

Who says Cypriot football it’s not high paced or interesting to watch? If it weren’t I wouldn’t be watching it.

The different levels of football are like the different weight classes in MMA or Boxing... the smaller guys (ie: Lightweight or Bantamweight) are also interesting to watch.

But anyway, although Cyprus will never have a great national team due to our tiny population… the Cyprus League is superior to the Australian League so let’s not get over ourselves! :)
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Re: World cup in Qatar

Postby Paphitis » Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:24 am

Sport is very well run in both Merika and Australia and the budgets are very high because the Governments fund them too. Both have professional set up and fund their athletes to compete - hence their high performances everywhere in many spoirts from the Olympics, tennis, Basketball, car racing, Rugby, and so on and so on.

Australia with a population of 26 million people is the best performing Olympic Nation - yes it is ranked number 1, and Amerika isn't far behind and does beat Australia barely with its 340 million people.

Both National Football Teams are consistantly ranked in the top 30 in the world which is amazing. And they are both developing the sport.

They do produce some great players, and many of high international repute who compete in the top leagues of Europe.

But they are very unique in the way they administer Soccer. they administer the sport mucgh the same way American football, NBA, Australian Footbal and NBL are administered - with draft, salary caps and international player caps and so on, and they play finals knock out stages.

The results are much like English Premier League - unpredictable sometimes.

So the sport is well run in both countries. And they have a lot of potential to improve and they have been improving.
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Re: World cup in Qatar

Postby Paphitis » Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:29 am

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:The sport needs to be repackaged to fit the Australian and American markets which like high pace, and hard impact sports.

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Who says Cypriot football it’s not high paced or interesting to watch? If it weren’t I wouldn’t be watching it.

The different levels of football are like the different weight classes in MMA or Boxing... the smaller guys (ie: Lightweight or Bantamweight) are also interesting to watch.

But anyway, although Cyprus will never have a great national team due to our tiny population… the Cyprus League is superior to the Australian League so let’s not get over ourselves! :)


The Cypriot First Division just wouldn't take off in Australia and USA.

It's very different. For instance, you will never see a single team dominate for 10 years or see a game like Aproel Vs DOXA Katakopias iwhere Apoel will win 5 goals to 0.

In Amerika and Australia, all teams are competitive. You can win one season and come last the next - because of the draft. The last teams also have their mandated 2 foreigners and pay similar packages as the top teams. You literally have no idea what is going to happen week in, week out.

You can have the top team play the bottom team and the bottom team beat the top teat 4 goals to 0. When you rock up to an Amerikan or Australian Footy match, it's usually in front of a packed stadium with cheer leader squads, massive half time entertainment and so on. The punter gets value for money and entertaining footy too. You actually feel like its English Premier league on steriods. but that is how it is done in Australia and Merika.

the formula is different to Europe but successful for our markets, and our National Teams are relatively highly ranked as well.
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Re: World cup in Qatar

Postby Lordo » Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:32 am

There is one thing wrong in American football. Top players at their peak do not go there. They go there once they are over their peak. Hence, they will not help the sport advance to the top level. The native players need top competition to advance to the highest levels. This is why Spain, Germany, Italy and France do so well. Either you have to have top foreign players, or your own players have to be top in other top countries.

It really is not rocket science.
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Re: World cup in Qatar

Postby Paphitis » Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:40 am

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:The sport needs to be repackaged to fit the Australian and American markets which like high pace, and hard impact sports.

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Who says Cypriot football it’s not high paced or interesting to watch? If it weren’t I wouldn’t be watching it.

The different levels of football are like the different weight classes in MMA or Boxing... the smaller guys (ie: Lightweight or Bantamweight) are also interesting to watch.

But anyway, although Cyprus will never have a great national team due to our tiny population… the Cyprus League is superior to the Australian League so let’s not get over ourselves! :)


I'll try and explain it to you differently.

In Merika and Australia, cable TV has proliferated in virtually all houses, with massive sports channels like ESPN and FOX Sports - all Australian owned btw with the exception of ESPN.

So both countries have access to Football. English Premier League has massive ratings, same as games like Rangers and Celtic in Scotland, and then after that its really the Bundeslige.

Italian Serie A, France and other major leagues are not as popular. Not that they aren't any good. They may be better than English Premier League technically but they just don't have as great appeal.
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Re: World cup in Qatar

Postby Paphitis » Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:41 am

Lordo wrote:There is one thing wrong in American football. Top players at their peak do not go there. They go there once they are over their peak. Hence, they will not help the sport advance to the top level. The native players need top competition to advance to the highest levels. This is why Spain, Germany, Italy and France do so well. Either you have to have top foreign players, or your own players have to be top in other top countries.

It really is not rocket science.


Yes they do because the money talks and the bullshit walks, and when you are offered $300,000 per game, you will go there.

Good example, David Villa.

And there is one thing about A League and MLS - they have plenty of money.

The Australian Soccer Federation bid for the world cup was $80 million. It would have to be one of the richest federations in the world. It was a waste of money due to FIFA Federation as well. If we spent $80 million developing the game, we would have been better off but Merika and Australia were literally deluded thinking that FIFA would be fair and merit based. if it was merit based, the World Cup would have been in Merika or Australia who were both ready to go and turn key ready.
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Re: World cup in Qatar

Postby Get Real! » Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:49 am

Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:The sport needs to be repackaged to fit the Australian and American markets which like high pace, and hard impact sports.

???

Who says Cypriot football it’s not high paced or interesting to watch? If it weren’t I wouldn’t be watching it.

The different levels of football are like the different weight classes in MMA or Boxing... the smaller guys (ie: Lightweight or Bantamweight) are also interesting to watch.

But anyway, although Cyprus will never have a great national team due to our tiny population… the Cyprus League is superior to the Australian League so let’s not get over ourselves! :)


I'll try and explain it to you differently.

In Merika and Australia, cable TV has proliferated in virtually all houses, with massive sports channels like ESPN and FOX Sports - all Australian owned btw with the exception of ESPN.

So both countries have access to Football. English Premier League has massive ratings, same as games like Rangers and Celtic in Scotland, and then after that its really the Bundeslige.

Italian Serie A, France and other major leagues are not as popular. Not that they aren't any good. They may be better than English Premier League technically but they just don't have as great appeal.

Look, I don’t really care about cable/TV popularity.

FIFA has world rankings of Association Football in terms of quality not cable/TV screening, where you’ll find that the Cyprus League is about 20th in Europe and around 35th worldwide, so it’s not bad for a tiny island.
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Re: World cup in Qatar

Postby Paphitis » Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:02 am

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:The sport needs to be repackaged to fit the Australian and American markets which like high pace, and hard impact sports.

???

Who says Cypriot football it’s not high paced or interesting to watch? If it weren’t I wouldn’t be watching it.

The different levels of football are like the different weight classes in MMA or Boxing... the smaller guys (ie: Lightweight or Bantamweight) are also interesting to watch.

But anyway, although Cyprus will never have a great national team due to our tiny population… the Cyprus League is superior to the Australian League so let’s not get over ourselves! :)


I'll try and explain it to you differently.

In Merika and Australia, cable TV has proliferated in virtually all houses, with massive sports channels like ESPN and FOX Sports - all Australian owned btw with the exception of ESPN.

So both countries have access to Football. English Premier League has massive ratings, same as games like Rangers and Celtic in Scotland, and then after that its really the Bundeslige.

Italian Serie A, France and other major leagues are not as popular. Not that they aren't any good. They may be better than English Premier League technically but they just don't have as great appeal.

Look, I don’t really care about cable/TV popularity.

FIFA has world rankings of Association Football in terms of quality not cable/TV screening, where you’ll find that the Cyprus League is about 20th in Europe and around 35th worldwide, so it’s not bad for a tiny island.


Yes there are FIFA World Rankings for sure.

https://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking ... Id=id13792

Here they are:

US ranked 16
AUS ranked 38 _ AUS Golden Team was always top 20
Turkey 45
Greece 52
Cyprus 110

And both about to rise next month. You might see US go to 14, and AUS rise at least 10 spots if not more.

Which is literally amazing. Both are continuously in the top 30 most of the time.

So both are performing well, and administer the sport well and the sport is gaining more and more popularity. It's the highest participation sport as well these days.
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Re: World cup in Qatar

Postby Get Real! » Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:06 am

Paphitis wrote:Yes there are FIFA World Rankings for sure.

https://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking ... Id=id13792

Here they are:

US ranked 16
AUS ranked 38 _ AUS Golden Team was always top 20
Turkey 45
Greece 52
Cyprus 110

And both about to rise next month. You might see US go to 14, and AUS rise at least 10 spots if not more.

Which is literally amazing. Both are continuously in the top 30 most of the time.

So both are performing well, and administer the sport well and the sport is gaining more and more popularity. It's the highest participation sport as well these days.

Here we go again... Paphitis forever confusing national teams (based on population) with Association Football (based on league quality)!

You just can’t grasp the difference, and I give up. :)
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Re: World cup in Qatar

Postby Paphitis » Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:19 am

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Yes there are FIFA World Rankings for sure.

https://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking ... Id=id13792

Here they are:

US ranked 16
AUS ranked 38 _ AUS Golden Team was always top 20
Turkey 45
Greece 52
Cyprus 110

And both about to rise next month. You might see US go to 14, and AUS rise at least 10 spots if not more.

Which is literally amazing. Both are continuously in the top 30 most of the time.

So both are performing well, and administer the sport well and the sport is gaining more and more popularity. It's the highest participation sport as well these days.

Here we go again... Paphitis forever confusing national teams (based on population) with Association Football (based on league quality)!

You just can’t grasp the difference, and I give up. :)


A lot of people get confused about Australian and American Football capability.

It has little to do with population.

For instance, Lordo keeps denouncing US Footy, but if he lived in Merika and went to the games he would get hooked because what is on display is often more entertaining that watching Sporting Lisbon Vs Benfica and is also of high standard.

It is in my opinion much higher standard than the Turkish First division and Turkey has 80 million people.

Both countries are extremely competive. You see that at the Olympics and various other sports like Basket Ball, Golf, tennis etc etc.

And they both produce fine players as well. The general perception is that both are minnows. But they are not minows at all.

Both can humble most European teams on the field.

For instance, I do not belive Greece and Turkey can beat neither the US or Australia. Greece and Turkey would both be destroyed and humiliated. I believe both couyntries to have better quality players and better teams than them, and when Americans and Aussies put on that shirt, they become 7 foot tall and think they can beat Brazil. They will play to beat them as well.

Because Merika!

And because Australia.

They are too patriotic and love their country seemingly a lot more than most. Both think they are the best countries in the world. Merikans and Australians say that all the time.
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