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[insan]

Since we don’t respect the Republic of Cyprus, how is it possible for our political luminaries to respect the existence in Cyprus of a smaller community than our own, the Turkish-Cypriot community? This is why, ever since the first years of independence, they attempted to deprive this smaller community of its political rights. As a result of this arrogant policy and mentality, the same luminaries and all of us along with them appeal today to the international community for the respect of human rights in Cyprus and ask for a solution on the basis of human rights. But when they see us raise the Cyprus flag and play the national anthem of Greece, who will believe that we will protect the human rights of the T/C community?


http://www.cyprusmedianet.com/EN/article/27805

[Piratis]

The above was written in Politis newspaper.

But when they see us raise the Cyprus flag and play the national anthem of Greece ...

I wonder why these people use the word "us" in this case. We all know that the only flag they raise is the American one (inspired by several 1000s of $ of course).

[metecyp]

I wonder why these people use the word "us" in this case. We all know that the only flag they raise is the American one (inspired by several 1000s of $ of course).

Why don't we try to talk about the important issue they're bringing up rather than directing false accusations?

Isn't it a fact that Republic of Cyprus flag has always been raised along with the Greek national anthem? Do you think that this is right/wrong? What kind of a message does this send to TC community?

[Piratis]

Why don't we try to talk about the important issue they're bringing up rather than directing false accusations?

They are the ones who make false accusations, I am simply stating a fact.

Isn't it a fact that Republic of Cyprus flag has always been raised along with the Greek national anthem? Do you think that this is right/wrong?

For a normal country it is wrong. Unfortunately in Cyprus they didn't let us have, and they insist on not letting us have a normal country. Other wrongs of the 1960 constitution were the super privileges that were given to TCs and the British military bases to name a few.

I would be more than glad to remove all anomalies and finally have a normal country in Cyprus. Unfortunately, it seems that they are now trying to create something even more abnormal than what the 1960 agreements were.

[metecyp]

For a normal country it is wrong. Unfortunately in Cyprus they didn't let us have, and they insist on not letting us have a normal country.

It's very easy to blame others, isn't it? I'm not denying the outside influence on Cyprus. But this has nothing to do with the flag issue. Did British tell you to play the Greek national anthem along with the Cyprus flag? Your community chose to do so. Your community claims to own the Republic of Cyprus and your community, without asking the TCs, chose to play the Greek national anthem with the Cypriot flag. And again, it's in your community's power to change that tomorrow, if there was ever a will of making Republic of Cyprus truly bicommunal republic as it was supposed to be.

Other wrongs of the 1960 constitution were the super privileges that were given to TCs and the British military bases to name a few.

Now I don't know what the "super privileges" of TCs or the British bases have anything to do with the Greek national anthem being played with the Cyprus flag. So you're trying to say that this is a reaction to those "wrong" actions?

I would be more than glad to remove all anomalies and finally have a normal country in Cyprus. Unfortunately, it seems that they are now trying to create something even more abnormal than what the 1960 agreements were.

Again, this has nothing to do with the subject. Your side claims to represent the whole island under the name of Republic of Cyprus. Your side claims to be the government of TCs and your side got into EU representing the whole island. Now, you can't claim that you're the bicommunal Republic of Cyprus that was formed by 1959-60 agreements with "super-privileges" to TCs, and then go and play the Greek anthem with the neutral flag of Cyprus. Moreover, you can't expect TCs to feel citizens of bicommunal Republic of Cyprus with Greek national anthem playing with it.

[-mikkie2-]

This is just the sort of petty argument that gets us nowhere.

If the TC's feel strongy about this then CLAIM YOUR RIGHTS under the Republic of Cyprus! If you want to change things that is the only way to do it. Reverting back to 'the GC's hijaked the RoC' I think is a rather lame argument. The GC's claim we didn't push you out. If that is the case then CALL THEIR BLUFF!

Why hasn't this happened? Because it is Turkey that wishes to partiton Cyprus. They will not accept the RoC as the legitimate entity that represents the whole island, because if they did all the arguments they have for keeping tens of thousands of troops on Cyprus would disappear. They would have to relinquish control to the RoC. They would have to repatriate thousands of people back to Turkey. Etc etc, the list could go on.

[metecyp]

If the TC's feel strongy about this then CLAIM YOUR RIGHTS under the Republic of Cyprus! If you want to change things that is the only way to do it.

You're trying to avoid the issue. NOTHING can justify the use of Greek national anthem with the bicommunal flag of Cyprus. What upsets me most is that your side plays double sided. On one side, the GC side claims that the RC is not dead and TCs get blamed for not going back to the RC and so on. On the other side, the GC side tries very hard to keep the RC as it stands today (i.e. GC republic with TC minority without privileges provided in 1960).

Now you're blaming the TC for not claiming their rights under the RC. It's not TC responsibility to claim for removal of Greek national anthem. Your side claims to represent the whole island, your side claims to be legal and your side gets all the benefits of the RC. You can't make all these claims, ask TCs to go back to the RC and then not say anything about the Greek national anthem.


Show TCs that the RC is indeed a bicommunal republic. Give TCs reasons to believe in RC, and then ask for TCs to return back. But all your side does is to make sure that TCs are minority and this Greek national anthem issue is yet another example of that mentality. You keep saying "Let's forget the past and look to the present and the future", but I see the same mentality of the past every day.

[-mikkie2-]

The point I am trying to make is that both sides use the RoC as an excuse to not do anything.

What I am suggesting perhaps may be a way of actually forcing certain issues onto the table so that discussions can take place as to how to solve our age old problem.

[MicAtCyp]

I am wondering why the matter of the National anthem was never raised by the TCs in the 60s. Denktash even vetoed Makarios going to the conference of the Non-Aligned, why didn’t he veto the national anthem too? The strange thing is that the 1960 constitution clearly talks about a national flag with neutral colours, but says nothing about the National anthem.Does anybody know how the Greek national anthem became official in Cyprus? I mean did it pass through the Parliament or what?

By the way the Anan plan talked for 3 national anthems and 3 flags!!!!! One for the common state, one for the TC and one for the GC state. Some people in this forum said that this happens to all Federations.
Well damn it, we don't want it to happen to our Federation, do we?We want our Federation to have one flag and one National anthem for both the Central State and the Fed States. Why not?

[brother]

In the TRNC we have our own flag and play turkeys national anthem, so we are no better than anyone else.
Also it should be one flag, one anthem for all the cypriots and anything else is most definately unacceptable.

I might add that sooner or later one of the sides or both will be required to take a leap of faith to solve the current stalemate lets see who is big enough to do that.