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[Piratis]

Papadopoulos made a speech while in Finland, at the country's most renoun think tank. He said that for us the best solution is the one my government is striving for and the next best is the current situation, that is, as you say, partition. If this is what you beleive too, then go on, support Papadopoulos till death.

I didn't listen to his speech in Finland. But if he said that I agree, but I would put it differently:

The minimum acceptable solution is what we are striving for. If that minimum can not be achieved now, then between the current situation (= the illegal partition) and something like the Annan plan (=legal and permanent partition) we prefer the current situation.

So there are three things: 1)current situation 2)minimum acceptable solution 3)not acceptable solution.

What is 2 and 3 is decided not by Piratis or Bananiot alone, but democratically from all of us together. So if we can not get 2 now, what is the option?

Do we have any other option apart from trying to achieve 2? Isn't number 1 the only thing we can have until 2 is achieved?

[Bananiot]

What is the minimum acceptable solution for Papadopoulos? And what does "minimum acceptable" mean? It is clear that Papadopoulos does not want to hear of the A plan even with significant changes which were outlined by AKEL and some others. He wants a brand new plan. This he will not get, quite obviously. So, Piratis, we are left with the "second best", which is partition. Thank you very much!

[Piratis]

What is the minimum acceptable solution for Papadopoulos?

The solution that can be accepted by 70-75% of Greek Cypriots.

So, Piratis, we are left with the "second best", which is partition.

The terminology "second best" is your own. What I am talking about is acceptable and unacceptable. Today we are in the current situation and we can:
1) find a solution that the great majority can accept
2)Be forced to sign something we do not accept.

Until either 1 or 2 happens, what we have is current situation.

So, if I understood correctly, you suggest that we have to end the current situation right now by agreeing on something the majority does not accept? And you conceder this as the solution to the Cyprus problem?? I am sorry, but such development will only be the beginning of new bigger problems.

You have to finally understand that we live in democracy, and that you can not force your opinion on others. You accept the Annan plan, the great majority does not. Is this so hard for you to digest?

[MicAtCyp]

Bananiot sounds like a broken record to me. All he says is Papadopoulos is leading us to partition-he lead us to partition-he is leading us to partition-he lead us to partition.... some squeaks and then he starts all over again.
Well Bananiot long live to you. If you are so sure, why do you participate here?

And I will tell you another thing. If Papadopoulos was the president 5 years ago, the Anan Plan that would anyway had come ,to give Turkrey her long waited EU ticket, would be different, and the GCs including yourself would vote yes.

[Bananiot]

Don't blame me for this. Papadopoulos spoke in Helsinki and confirmed what my broken record keeps saying. He said that the next best solution is partition. This is what he is after but blind people cannot see this because they fail to realise that this is his conscious target he is pursuing. Partition will not come because of his wrong stragedy or actions but because he is working for it quite fervently.

[Piratis]

He said that the next best solution is partition.

ok ... i didn't listen what he said in Helsinki, but I am sure you were dreaming that he said such thing. Like you were dreaming that Papadopoulos was a presidential candidate and got 2% (you claimed this in another thread).

[-mikkie2-]

I think what Papadopoulos actually tried to put across was that the status quo is the 2nd best solution, because it keeps the north unrecognised.

Obviously the best solution is a united Cyprus, both for TC's and GC's.

I have to agree with Papadopoulos, however hard it may be for some of you to accept his position. We have to fight for the rights of all Cypriots, not accept a plan that panders to the whim of Turkey and her allies.

[brother]

Hi Mikkie,

unfortunately i am getting disallusioned and think that the only solution available to us is through turkey and her allies......God i hope i am wrong

[Bananiot]

Papadopoulos will never get a "European solution" because such a thing does not exist. Thus, he will have to settle for plan B' which might leave the north outside recognition but Cyprus partitioned for ever. He does not want Turks to mess about with the administration of Cyprus. He never did in his long history. He rejected plans which were far better than the A plan as far as the GC community is concerned. He was the vice leader of Akritas, the plan that aimed at annihilating the TC community in one night.

[brother]

I always said tassos is not for unification and the biggest trick he ever managed was convincing the gc community that he is, god help our gc brothers from the snake tassos.