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[MicAtCyp]

Why is Anastasiades a traitor?

He supported yes to the referendum.24% of the people supported yes too.This does not make anyone of those people (including Anastasiades) a traitor !
The remaining 76% -myself included-voted OXI.They did not do it with joy.They did it with sadness.Because they had no other choice.That plan was bad... They did so knowing very well their OXI would have serious consequences.

Immediately after the referendum there came the time to pay the bill for our no other choice OXI.We knew the bill would be dear. As if that was not enough, we saw Mr Anastasiades the super patriot GC filing a law suit against his own country at the European court of human rights that the result of the referendum was fabricated because of massive violations of GCs free will to excercise their voting right, and on massive misinformation.Whereas all his arguments were based on remote instances of threads by some individuals, and he knew damn well they would not change the referendum result even by one iota. What’s most important is that he knew all along he had no chance to win his case at the ECHR!
However the damage by just filing that suit was already done.Hundreds of foreign diplomats started calling asking if those allegations were true.Add to that the "expected" dear bill for voting OXI.

The story continues:One weak later Anastasiades case is scheduled for hearing at the EU court. He did not even appear at the hearing! And a few days later he withdrew his case.
AFTER HE ALREADY SUCCEEDED TO CAUSE THE DAMAGE HE WANTED.

So if the word ‘traitor" is not appropriate, find me another suitable word to use.

The fact is that Anastasiades suffered no legal punishment, he even continues his dancing and his political work like before, and still has at least 2 thirds of his voting power, he appears on TV every other night, nothing really changed of his everyday life...

So the question is, if he is a traitor, then why doesn’t he end up in prison? The answer is, because he did not have the guts to go all along the way of his treasonous act.I would like to see him losing his case at the EU court and then see him dancing at a counter suit and have him pay the bill he deserves.

PS.Some Bananiots in this Banana Republic get 3-4 times higher salaries than what they should, by just being Government employees, but I never saw them complaing about that....

[Bananiot]

Taking your government to court is no treason. It happens all the time in civilised societies. It is the only way to escape state fascism and if we forfeit this right we might as well live in a totalitarian regime where the hierarchy is always right.

Anastasiades was a bomb victim following his intention to file the law suit. Everybody jumped on him and accused him of betraying his country. This kind of democracy should be scorned and not boasted about.

To say that all the people that voted “NO” did not do it with joy is a blatant lie. That’s all.

[Piratis]

Taking your government to court is no treason. It happens all the time in civilised societies.

He didn't take the government to the court. He took the great majority of Greek Cypriots by trying to take away from them what they have decided in the most democratic way.

He tried to force his will on us, first (before the referendum) by threatening us and later by trying to punish us for our 100% democratic decision.

The days of Junta and EOKA-B that those people were using force and threats to get what they wanted are over. Now we have democracy and in April people expressed their will in the most Democratic way possible. Now everybody including Anastasiades has to show some respect to the expressed will of the great majority that voted "NO" in the referendum.

[metecyp]

As if that was not enough, we saw Mr Anastasiades the super patriot GC filing a law suit against his own country at the European court of human rights that the result of the referendum was fabricated because of massive violations of GCs free will to excercise their voting right, and on massive misinformation

So what? If that was indeed the case, that is if there was really massive misinformation, then wouldn't you like to know? Even if you believe that wasn't true, he thought so and he wanted the truth to come out, so he filed a law suit. What's wrong with that? There are many law suits by Turks against Turkey for human rights violations and so on. Are these Turks also traitors because they filed suits against their countries?

The fact is that Anastasiades suffered no legal punishment,

Legal punishment for what? For trying to find the truth? Since when filing a suit against your country is a crime?

He didn't take the government to the court. He took the great majority of Greek Cypriots by trying to take away from them what they have decided in the most democratic way.

This is a lie. He took the government to the court because he believed that the government massively misinformed people and that's it. Whether you agree with him or not is your personal decision but you cannot claim that he tok the majority of GCs to the court.

The days of Junta and EOKA-B that those people were using force and threats to get what they wanted are over

Anastasiades used force to get what he wanted? Or was he subjected to force (i.e. bombing) since he didn't think like the majority? And you call this democracy, that's the most hilarious part.

[Piratis]

This is a lie. He took the government to the court because he believed that the government massively misinformed people and that's it. Whether you agree with him or not is your personal decision but you cannot claim that he tok the majority of GCs to the court.

So the opinion of the government is called "misinformation" which is something that they have to be convicted for, and the only one who gives "true information" is Anastasiades??
The same way he could say his opinion, the government could say their opinion as well, right?

What Anstasiades did, after taking directions from the Americans, was to try to punish even more the Greek Cypriot people for their 100% democratic decision. Thats a treason by my standards. Obviously this is not the case for you for very apparent reasons.

Anastasiades used force to get what he wanted? Or was he subjected to force (i.e. bombing) since he didn't think like the majority? And you call this democracy, that's the most hilarious part.

Strange that nobody was killed and the damage was so minimum when the "underworld" of Cyprus has proven that is capable of doing so much worst than that.
You think that the "majority" put the bomb to Anastasiades? Thats your opinion and nothing more. I believe Anastasiades arranged for this, because he was the only who benefited and he had the right connections to do it:

Police announced that Charalambos Anastassiades, 50, a mechanic, the twin brother of DISY Chairman Nicos Anastassiades surrendered to police at ten this morning.
In a statement police said they were seeking Anastassiades in connection with their investigation into the issue of forged residence and working permits, and the circulation of forged documents.

A search warrant had been issued for Charlambos and police were searching for him while he was also placed on the Stop List,

In surrendering to Limassol Police Headquarters the wanted man expressed surprise over the police statement, saying that he surrendered as soon as he heard that he was wanted by the police.

Marios Constandinou Yiallouris, 55 from Limassol a pub owener was arrested in connection with the same case.

He is now being treated in a private Limassol clinic and was placed under police surveillance. A remand order is expected to be issued today.
http://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/riken/19 ... riken.html

Cyprus. Cyprus' chief migration officer, Christodoulos Nicolaides, was arrested on October 16 for taking bribes after he allegedly issued illegal residence permits to foreigner cabaret dancers. Also arrested were Charalambos Anastasiades, the twin brother of the Democratic Rally Party leader.


About 1,200 foreign women, mostly from Russia, Romania and the Ukraine, are employed legally in 70 cabarets. Some women being brought into Cyprus as cabaret dances are forced into prostitution. Cyprus has an estimated legal foreign work force of 15,000, but about 150 people a week are arrested for working without permits.
http://www.migrationint.com.au/news/st_ ... 999-11.asp

[brother]

DIRTY AND HORRID POLITICS AT WORK IN CYPRUS< MAY GOD PROTECT US ALL.

[MicAtCyp]

Taking your government to court is no treason. It happens all the time in civilised societies.

Did I say that act alone is treason?
Treason is to take your government at court, knowing in advance that you are wrong, knowing in adsvance that you will lose, just to help OTHERS who are already stabbing your country push the knife a little deeper.

An equal case of treason would be if the leader of the biggest party in Iraq would go to the UN and present fabricated photographs of nuclear bombs allegedely stored in some places in Bagdat just to help the Americans get the UN OK for attacking.That leader is not just anybody.He is somebody he is the leader of the biggest party in Iraq so his word (in this case his lies) have exceptional weight

Anastasiades was a bomb victim following his intention to file the law suit.

Ha,ha,ha, yeah right..... Piratis answered you very well on that already.

So what? If that was indeed the case, that is if there was really massive misinformation, then wouldn't you like to know? Even if you believe that wasn't true, he thought so and he wanted the truth to come out, so he filed a law suit. What's wrong with that?

For the "so what"please refer to my answer above.Anastasiades is not just a simple unknown person.What he does counts, and has exceptional weight.
About the misinformation:I happen to live here my friend.Cyprus is not Turkey is not the USA. Cyprus is a small place everybody knows each other, news and events don't hide that easily. Each TV channel had an average of 4 hours live discussions every night, (we have 5 major stations) each radio channel had about the same hours and we have about 100 stations, nobody was excluded from the discussions, all debates had people from both sides, not to mention the newspapers and other media.The information was so massive and complete NOBODY can say that he was carried away by anyone. And nobody can say he did not hear about an equal volume of arguments for a YES or for a NO. May i quote you what my father in law told me one day.He was a very simple man. "I hear them advocating "yes" I say they are right, then I hear the others advocating "No" I say they are right, then i hear again those advocating "yes" I say they are right, then I hear the others advocating "No" I say they are right too. I don't know what to vote...."
In this respect I can tell you for sure that the ones who were actually missinformed about the Anan Plan were the TCs. I personally witnessed TCs discussing in forums who much to my surprise did not even know the most sounding anomalities of the Anan Plan as for example the donation of sea shell rights to the British.
About whats wrong with that: I already replied that the action by itself is not an act of treason. What makes it a treason is a combination of events: a)It's timing and the real scope behing it b)the fact that it was made by an important person without even getting the approval of the high ranking members of his party c)The fact that all his allegations were based on remote incidents or on lies d)the fact that he did not let his suit be judged. All these 4 things sum up to one: THE REASON why the suit was made.

I will give you another example. Suppose your house gets burned one of your kids die and you have nowhere to stay.The house is not even insured and the death of your child is unbearable.A neighbour Your neighbour with whom you were always friends and whom you helped many times in the past, works at an Insurance company but never managed to sell you an insurance. That guy goes to the police and says he saw you holding a petrol lamp and entering the basement a few days ago. The police then arrests you as a suspect for homocide, despite your yelling that you never even had a petrol lamp, but an electric one. Anyway finally the neighbour drops his case saying he is not sure. Is that neighbour a traitor of your friendship yes or no?

Legal punishment for what? For trying to find the truth? Since when filing a suit against your country is a crime?

Re metecyp do we understand each other or not? I said the fact IS, he did not receive any legal pubnishment.The reason is not because he is not a traitor! The reason is because his treason was hidden under the veil of "justice or truth". That's why I said "So if the word ‘traitor" is not appropriate, find me another suitable word to use. "

He took the government to the court because he believed that the government massively misinformed people and that's it. Whether you agree with him or not is your personal decision but you cannot claim that he tok the majority of GCs to the court.

But thats the whole point.There would be no suit if the result of the referendum was what Mr Anastasiades wanted.What he was trying to prove is that the Government exercised terrorism to have that result.And the people knew that was a lie.If it was not a lie then Anastasiades would not be the only one to sue the Government! He did it to supplement the arguments of the foreigners especially the Americans. Do you know that even the words the Americans were using were a direct word-by-word translation of Anastasiades sayings?

Anastasiades used force to get what he wanted?

Have you ever heard a tiger roaring? Thats Anastasiades. And yes Anastasiades uses either verbal or physical force to prevail.Never you heard that he throws ashtrays to his MPs at his party meetings when they disagree with him? Never you heard that he expelled almost half his party leaders? He is a phenomenon beleive me. What Sampson was once doing with the power of guns, he does it today with other means.

And a final note: I am not a supporter of any Cypriot politician, because all of them are crooks to some degree.(I actually beleive in some elements of the anarchic ideology). But I really never saw such a huge demostration of crookiness, like that of Anastasiades...

[MicAtCyp]

DIRTY AND HORRID POLITICS AT WORK IN CYPRUS< MAY GOD PROTECT US ALL.

Exactly brother! the first ones who went to the occupied areas officially are the MPs of Anastasiades!! Who??? The representatives of Eoka B and the house of ALL Eokas!!!!
Accompanied in their team with the son of Sampson !!!!
Why? To prepare the ground for the Euro-elections.The TC votes were precious you know, who knows they might be interested to vote massively in the end.....

[Bananiot]

DISI MP's did well to visit the north. They were scorned by AKEL for doing so but then AKEL followed suit. It can't be that bad.

The son of Sampson has a name and he is called Soteris and he is the owner of an ultra nationalist paper called "Machi". This paper was a fervent supporter of "NO" and of course sided with all eoka b elements who in their vast majority simply do not want a solution and I mean any kind of a solution and of course voted "no". Has the son of Sampson visited the occupied areas? I find it hard to believe, for GC's nationalists and chauvinist refuse to even talk of going north.

[brother]

Look democrasy is simple you have a right of choice and nobody is allowed to take that away, the 'no' vote was a democratic decision wether they were misinformed is another topic.

If the goverment did misinform then it is the right of the people to know this and hence in future elections make sure they do not come to power, but placing a bomb to silence someone does raise many questions as to why that person must be silenced but above all that person has a right in a democratic country to air the truth if there is any unknown to the public.

In short hear what the man has to say then review his evidence then make your own opinion of what the truth is but lets not be scared of the truth lets embrace it.