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[Pyrpolizer]

You actually believe that the CIA had nothing to do with any of the above?

Sorry, but you're wandering into the CT Twilight Zone there. And - from long, long experience - I've learned you can't reason with a fundamentalist Conspiracy Theorist.

Really - what sort of response is that?

Lets go to the beginning shall we.

What were the Stay Behind Groups in 1947?
Who created them?
Which countries were involved?

Lordo. Pyrpo agreed with me that Russia had been invade twice by Napoleon and Hitler and responded with when had they done something so awful? That's naïve. I listed some (I'll be surprised if it was a comprehensive list) of the occasions when that peace loving place actually did do such an awful thing.

I don't understand what you are saying here.Where exactly did I agree with you, on that, I actually agreed with Lordo who said it was 4 times. Who responded with "when had they done something so awful? "

My point was IMHO it's ridiculous to suggest that an organisation as large and diverse as NATO would ever agree to invade Russia. It's simply a fabrication, and in my view an insultingly juvenile one, for Russian domestic consumption, as an excuse for their brutal invasion of a neighbouring country.

Behind Nato is the USA. Russia is an enemy of the USA. Nato proxies is what the USA wants to use to asphyxiate Russia from any possible reaction to anything. It's about world dominance of the USA itself, and it already crossed the red line.

It's about that and not some sort of "Look what I just Googled" totally unrelated distraction.

What are your views on the Russian invasion of Ukraine? That's the subject of this thread.

[Lordo]

In order to understand the real issue here, you have to look at the part America played in setting up the Iron curtain and then the cold war. What was going on in those years.

How many people here realise who The Stay Behind Groups were and who set them up and why?
And of course ultimately what did they do?

In reality there is a direct link to the Cyprus problem from them too. I get a feeling nobody knows about these groups.

[Londonrake]

I don't understand what you are saying here. Where exactly did I agree with you, on that, I actually agreed with Lordo who said it was 4 times. Who responded with "when had they done something so awful? "

You're right - and I do apologise. It was a comment made by Max. None of us are perfect.

My point though remains valid. IMHO it's ridiculous to suggest that an organisation as large and diverse as NATO would ever agree to something as draconian as an invasion of Russia. And in doing so absolutely guarantee a WW3 and almost inevitably a Nuclear exchange. To do such a thing under NATO cover would require unanimity of all 30 countries. I mean - come on - wake up and smell the coffee. Do you really believe that could happen? It's a total fantasy. A fabrication for domestic Russian consumption. Much like the so-called "secret US bio-weapon facilties"

Behind Nato is the USA. Russia is an enemy of the USA. Nato proxies is what the USA wants to use to asphyxiate Russia from any possible reaction to anything. It's about world dominance of the USA itself, and it already crossed the red line.

No, the point is not to "asphyxiate" Russia but to stop them invading their neighbours, in order to fulfil Vladimir Putin's visions of himself going down in history as the great Tsar, who restored Russian pride. What's happened to Ukraine is absolute proof of the need for neighbouring countries to become NATO members. Having said that, I sincerely doubt the likes of Ukraine or Georgia were about to do so for a very long time. All 30 NATO members agreement's required for a new country to join and certainly Germany had significant doubts. Well, up until now.

[Pyrpolizer]

IMHO it's ridiculous to suggest that an organisation as large and diverse as NATO would ever agree to something as draconian as an invasion of Russia. And in doing so absolutely guarantee a WW3 and almost inevitably a Nuclear exchange. To do such a thing under NATO cover would require unanimity of all 30 countries. I mean - come on - wake up and smell the coffee.

Are you seriously suggesting that any expansion of Nato to the doorstep of Russia, should never possibly considered a threat to Russia, just because in your opinion Nato would never invade Russia? If yes then your geo-political understanding is very myopic.

It's a total fantasy. A fabrication for domestic Russian consumption. Much like the so-called "secret US bio-weapon facilties"

The existence of Bio Labs in Ukraine was admitted at the highest possible level in the US, by Victoria Nuland. She is shown on video posted earlier in this topic admitting it, and adding "we are very worried they would fall in the hands of the Russians".
Obviously you have already been brainwashed enough to believe those Biological Labs were there for innocent purposes. But if they were really dealing with innocent Biological research why V. Nuland was so worried of them falling in Russia hands?

1.No, the point is not to "asphyxiate" Russia but to stop them invading their neighbors, 2.in order to fulfil Vladimir Putin's visions of himself going down in history as the great Tsar, who restored Russian pride. 3. What's happened to Ukraine is absolute proof of the need for neighboring countries to become NATO members. Having said that, 4. I sincerely doubt the likes of Ukraine or Georgia were about to do so for a very long time. 5. All 30 NATO members agreement's required for a new country to join and certainly Germany had significant doubts. Well, up until now.

1.As above
2. Groundless fantasies of the western media
3. It’s absolute proof for the opposite. Did you watch Moldova’s lady PM last night?
4. Maybe. Others think they would otherwise join within maximum 10 years.
5. Just like the EU, Nato is also dominated by a few who can enforce their will on the rest.

[Londonrake]

Ahh - Pyrpro (did I get that right?)

As with GR. It really seems pointless with you.

There's little acknowledgment in here of the gravity and inevitable consequences for absolutely all of us of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Mostly of course the devastation, loss of human life and huge refugee problem for those poor people and so very much more. IMHO, keyboard warriors who sit in luxury and pontificate academically on such matters, expressing opinions about how they are quite reasonable actions should hang their spoilt heads in shame.

Forgive me but I really think if you could just get your head out of GR's ass for a while (see! I am learning to talk in his terms ) you might just start to see things from a different perspective.

There is absolutely no justification for the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The slaughter and mass movement of innocent civilians. The blitzing of their cities and towns.

[Pyrpolizer]

Ahh - Pyrpro (did I get that right?)

As with GR. It really seems pointless with you.

There's little acknowledgment in here of the gravity and inevitable consequences for absolutely all of us of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Mostly of course the devastation, loss of human life and huge refugee problem for those poor people and so very much more. IMHO, keyboard warriors who sit in luxury and pontificate academically on such matters, expressing opinions about how they are quite reasonable actions should hang their spoilt heads in shame.

Forgive me but I really think if you could just get your head out of GR's ass for a while (see! I am learning to talk in his terms ) you might just start to see things from a different perspective.

There is absolutely no justification for the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The slaughter and mass movement of innocent civilians. The blitzing of their cities and towns.

Why this obsession of identifying me as a GR's ass licker? Nothing could be further away to the truth. It just so happened that we agree on the basics regarding the Ukrainian issue.
How would you like me calling you an ass licker of Paphitis (who like I said many times I consider an IQ < 0 person ).

In any case while I answered all your questions -some of them multiple times- you still avoid answering my one and only question.
I even used bold letters to emphasize it here:
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[Maximus]

The Russian invasion of Ukraine is still illegal, its still bad and wrong.

This is something we cant forget while "but"-ing it away with whatever justification we think Russia had to do it.

At the end of the day, Ukrainians had their democracy, they had their independence.

[Lordo]

Nato attack Russia? Give me a break? It does not have to be militarily. Nato has been attacking Russia economically ever since WW2. They have just gone into a full suffocation mode. But it will not succeed. Russia will survive and be stronger with it. This is because they have the most important power, resources which everybody needs.

As to Nato attacking, Nato is America, it pretends to be a group of nations but the power is at the centre with the Americans. What the bastards did in Europe after the war is just beyond belief and yet people ae totally unaware.

[Londonrake]

Ahh, you have me there and I've got to agree. Russia had absolutely no choice but to invade Ukraine.

It's a pity so many men, women and children have to die. And 3 million of them seem, for some mysterious reason, to have felt they needed to flee the country. Stupid people, what are they thinking of? If only they'd simply surrendered - all of this unpleasantness could have been avoided. Not to mention of course how their own people are murdering them, to make the Russians look bad. Who do those baddies think they are? Syrians?

Paphitis? It wasn't long ago he was slagging me off because I said I never read any of his posts. I certainly don't believe you can accuse me of faithfully echoing his views. I just think he takes a lot of flak and lets it wash over him.

Whatever.

Maybe you should PM Get Real! (that name cracks me up) and he can show you how to escape awkward posts from me?

[Pyrpolizer]

Btw LR did you know that the Ukrainian refugees should need to be 15 million to come close to our 37% of refugees?
Did you know the Russians will never deprive those Ukrainian refugees their right to return to their homes and lands, like we are been deprived by Turkey for almost 50 years?
Did you know all our suffering was caused by 2 Nato countries?
Did you know that nobody in the EU or the UN does not even dare call the Turkish invasion and ongoing occupation as such and they insist of calling it "intervention"?
Did you know the UN refuses to call us refugees, but rather uses the convenient term "displaced persons"?

I absolutely hate the Western hypocrisy and double standards, and yes the Ukrainian issue is just one more example.