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[Pyrpolizer]

Can somebody explain why it makes sense to sell tanks to Ukraine when a drone costing less that 10% of its value can knock it out. Surely it is a scam right?

What the Ukrainians need militarily are missiles and drones.

But in reality what they really need is a ceasefire so the killing stops.
Why have UN not called for a ceasefire till this point?
What are they waiting for Christmas?

...boots on the ground, in the end, wins the war; airpower works toward this end, air superiority is better. Tanks move troops quickly advancing, one way or the other.

...the ''special operation'' is an invasion; Ukraine defends itself accordingly: they have not called for a cease-fire. If it were a war Russia's civilian population would be witness to such tragedy on their soil; but they are not. The UN, as you say, is a representation of its members; you are in affect asking for Ukraine to be divided like Cyprus, a "Green Line" with the UN's troops to monitor it. Did that work with Israel/Palestine, or in Africa where in a few cases the violence continues unabated?

...in any case the cease fire, at this point will not stop the killing; more will likely die, the front refreshed from the pause.

...what is really necessary is reason: the Problem solved.

Yes and the reasoning s that there was never a Ukraine other than in Soviet maps. West Ukraine was historically Polish. East Ukraine was historically Russian. Ukraine is not fighting for "Ukraine". Is fighting for Russian properties and lands of Russian (>70%) populated cities that were never Ukrainian on the first place. E.g. Odessa was the city where the Greek revolution was initiated by RUSSIAN GREEKS, not Ukrainian Greeks! Those areas were given to her by accident/ or force majeure/ or luckily/ after the collapse of Soviet Union. However because (among things) they did not respect the HUMAN rights of the Russian MAJORITY in those areas they eventually ended up to the Minsk agreements. Did they respect the Agreements? No! That's the big difference between Ukraine, Cyprus and Palestine.

[Pyrpolizer]

Btw the Russian Greeks named it Odessa after the ancient Greek hero Odysseas/Odysseus which some idiotic scholars turned it to "Ulysses" in English!!

[Pyrpolizer]

Arestovich the top advisor of Zelensky

a)Admitted the Russian missile that hit the building in Dnipro killing more than 50 civilians was not actually targeting the building but fell there after been intercepted/diverted by the Ukranians. Just like I said a few posts ago. Watch 2nd video with English subs here:
https://warnews247.gr/makeleio-stin-ouk ... tianosyni/

He was heavily criticized and forced to resign.
Watch what he said after he resigned in 1st video of same link.

[repulsewarrior]

Can somebody explain why it makes sense to sell tanks to Ukraine when a drone costing less that 10% of its value can knock it out. Surely it is a scam right?

What the Ukrainians need militarily are missiles and drones.

But in reality what they really need is a ceasefire so the killing stops.
Why have UN not called for a ceasefire till this point?
What are they waiting for Christmas?

...boots on the ground, in the end, wins the war; airpower works toward this end, air superiority is better. Tanks move troops quickly advancing, one way or the other.

...the ''special operation'' is an invasion; Ukraine defends itself accordingly: they have not called for a cease-fire. If it were a war Russia's civilian population would be witness to such tragedy on their soil; but they are not. The UN, as you say, is a representation of its members; you are in affect asking for Ukraine to be divided like Cyprus, a "Green Line" with the UN's troops to monitor it. Did that work with Israel/Palestine, or in Africa where in a few cases the violence continues unabated?

...in any case the cease fire, at this point will not stop the killing; more will likely die, the front refreshed from the pause.

...what is really necessary is reason: the Problem solved.

Yes and the reasoning s that there was never a Ukraine other than in Soviet maps. West Ukraine was historically Polish. East Ukraine was historically Russian. Ukraine is not fighting for "Ukraine". Is fighting for Russian properties and lands of Russian (>70%) populated cities that were never Ukrainian on the first place. E.g. Odessa was the city where the Greek revolution was initiated by RUSSIAN GREEKS, not Ukrainian Greeks! Those areas were given to her by accident/ or force majeure/ or luckily/ after the collapse of Soviet Union. However because (among things) they did not respect the HUMAN rights of the Russian MAJORITY in those areas they eventually ended up to the Minsk agreements. Did they respect the Agreements? No! That's the big difference between Ukraine, Cyprus and Palestine.

...Moscow let's not forget did not exist when Kyiv already had a society and a Church.

...indeed, "Ukrainians" like "Russians" do not see the error in their hateful enterprise against the "other", it does not consider who is harmed as a result.

The narrative you create Pyr, reinforces "Their" mythic realities, it is not actually History. Nor does it account for the fact that ordinary Ukrainians not so politically inclined as these extremists, (the other half as i like to call them), those who value respect and trust based on Universal Principles and Basic Human Rights, who want to live together, have become the victims of this war's (read: "special operation's") brutality, ignorance, and in too many cases its cruel and lethal intent.

(...what is different to Cyprus, or to other conflicts where the people (read: People) have been unnaturally divided?)

Never the less, there are Citizens of the earth who see a broader sphere on which to focus our loathing, not against each other but against the plunder that is the cause of so much sickness, hunger, and death.

...one would expect Putin to be one of these people with what he claims he's fighting against, but he is not.

...only "Their" politics divides people for power, because as Persons first, and not as Individuals, the People are more easily controlled.

The Problem is the problem; Cyprus is not alone in this regard.

[repulsewarrior]

Arestovich the top advisor of Zelensky

a)Admitted the Russian missile that hit the building in Dnipro killing more than 50 civilians was not actually targeting the building but fell there after been intercepted/diverted by the Ukranians. Just like I said a few posts ago. Watch 2nd video with English subs here:
https://warnews247.gr/makeleio-stin-ouk ... tianosyni/

He was heavily criticized and forced to resign.
Watch what he said after he resigned in 1st video of same link.

Thanks for the link Pyr; despite the headline, worth reading, something to think about.

[Lordo]

Arestovich the top advisor of Zelensky

a)Admitted the Russian missile that hit the building in Dnipro killing more than 50 civilians was not actually targeting the building but fell there after been intercepted/diverted by the Ukranians. Just like I said a few posts ago. Watch 2nd video with English subs here:
https://warnews247.gr/makeleio-stin-ouk ... tianosyni/

He was heavily criticized and forced to resign.
Watch what he said after he resigned in 1st video of same link.

If you look back in history, the world is full of countries with similar circumstances. People continue to make the same mistake. Instead of being inclusive and work together, on side says fuck you and it explodes. Everybody loses. Humanity loses.

[repulsewarrior]

"I offer my sincere apologies to the victims and their relatives, the residents of Dnipro and everyone who was deeply hurt by my prematurely erroneous version of the reason for the Russian missile striking a residential building," he wrote.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/uk ... 023-01-17/

...later, he also said.

[Pyrpolizer]

Can somebody explain why it makes sense to sell tanks to Ukraine when a drone costing less that 10% of its value can knock it out. Surely it is a scam right?

What the Ukrainians need militarily are missiles and drones.

But in reality what they really need is a ceasefire so the killing stops.
Why have UN not called for a ceasefire till this point?
What are they waiting for Christmas?

...boots on the ground, in the end, wins the war; airpower works toward this end, air superiority is better. Tanks move troops quickly advancing, one way or the other.

...the ''special operation'' is an invasion; Ukraine defends itself accordingly: they have not called for a cease-fire. If it were a war Russia's civilian population would be witness to such tragedy on their soil; but they are not. The UN, as you say, is a representation of its members; you are in affect asking for Ukraine to be divided like Cyprus, a "Green Line" with the UN's troops to monitor it. Did that work with Israel/Palestine, or in Africa where in a few cases the violence continues unabated?

...in any case the cease fire, at this point will not stop the killing; more will likely die, the front refreshed from the pause.

...what is really necessary is reason: the Problem solved.

Yes and the reasoning s that there was never a Ukraine other than in Soviet maps. West Ukraine was historically Polish. East Ukraine was historically Russian. Ukraine is not fighting for "Ukraine". Is fighting for Russian properties and lands of Russian (>70%) populated cities that were never Ukrainian on the first place. E.g. Odessa was the city where the Greek revolution was initiated by RUSSIAN GREEKS, not Ukrainian Greeks! Those areas were given to her by accident/ or force majeure/ or luckily/ after the collapse of Soviet Union. However because (among things) they did not respect the HUMAN rights of the Russian MAJORITY in those areas they eventually ended up to the Minsk agreements. Did they respect the Agreements? No! That's the big difference between Ukraine, Cyprus and Palestine.

...Moscow let's not forget did not exist when Kyiv already had a society and a Church.

...indeed, "Ukrainians" like "Russians" do not see the error in their hateful enterprise against the "other", it does not consider who is harmed as a result.

The narrative you create Pyr, reinforces "Their" mythic realities, it is not actually History. Nor does it account for the fact that ordinary Ukrainians not so politically inclined as these extremists, (the other half as i like to call them), those who value respect and trust based on Universal Principles and Basic Human Rights, who want to live together, have become the victims of this war's (read: "special operation's") brutality, ignorance, and in too many cases its cruel and lethal intent.

(...what is different to Cyprus, or to other conflicts where the people (read: People) have been unnaturally divided?)

Never the less, there are Citizens of the earth who see a broader sphere on which to focus our loathing, not against each other but against the plunder that is the cause of so much sickness, hunger, and death.

...one would expect Putin to be one of these people with what he claims he's fighting against, but he is not.

...only "Their" politics divides people for power, because as Persons first, and not as Individuals, the People are more easily controlled.

The Problem is the problem; Cyprus is not alone in this regard.

Kiev was not even Ukrainian was established, in fact it was called Kyivan Rus'.
The Ukrainian language didn't exist either.

Here's a historical map of Ukraine. It's titled "inaccurate" but may give you an idea
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... orders.jpg

Up until 1654 Ukraine was just a small country around Dnieper river. Probably Kiev became it's capital when it expanded between 1654 and 1917.

This map here looks more accurate
http://brenocon.com/ukraine_maps/
but even this agrees that up until 1640 Ukraine didn't even exist, it was actually Poland... in 1800 it became part of the Russian Empire. Ukrainian ethnicity never existed either-how can you build an ethnicity in a mixture of people within 160 years?

Can you seriously advocate that Nicopol, Sevastoupol, Marioupol, Melitoupol, Symferoupol -all in East Ukraine - were established by Ukrainian Greeks and not RUSSIAN Greeks????

[Pyrpolizer]

"I offer my sincere apologies to the victims and their relatives, the residents of Dnipro and everyone who was deeply hurt by my prematurely erroneous version of the reason for the Russian missile striking a residential building," he wrote.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/uk ... 023-01-17/

...later, he also said.

Did you consider the fact that as a politician he had to secure his political future by lying after he received so much criticism?

[repulsewarrior]

...established by Greeks, not by Russians; while they were/are Russophones they were not ''Russian''; are Cypriots "Greek", or a People having roots even older?

...and what is wrong with respect and trust, what about Liberty; i ask, what is Freedom based on?