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[Paphitis]

No country that behaves like Ruzzia is a friend to Cyprus.

Otherwise, we are rubber stamping any big country invading another smaller country. And Cyprus, as you know, is as much a victim to such illegality as Ukraine is. but no country, including turkey, has ever portrayed as much inhumane cruelty to civialians as Ruzzia has towards Ukrainians. Only one country has exceeded such debauchery and that is the NAZIs in WW2 who gassed over 5 million Jews, and many more blacks, Poles, Russians, Gays and Disabled people.

Not many countries have reached such lows - NAZI Germany and Pootins Ruzzia are clear standouts to say the least.

So how can you consider such a country as a friend to Cyprus? Can you consider Hitler to be your friend too? How low can you go?

And how can you legitimize invasion, and war crimes even if Ruzzia truly was your friend?

If America did what Ruzzia is doing, it will be condemned and it will face the wrath of the international community and rightfully so I may add. But thankfully, America isn't like that at all. On the contrary. They have always been on the right side of history.

What kind of world do you want? If you support Ruzzia's actions in Ukraine, then that's the green light for other countries to support the occupation of Cyprus by Turkey. Australia may say to you it considers Turkey its friend because Australia has 60 billion worth of trade with Turkey, whereas it only has 60 million in trade with Cyprus if that. So based on this, Turkey is Australia's friend, so Australia mustn't betray Turkey then. It better support the invasion and occupation of Cyprus.

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[Kikapu]

If America did what Ruzzia is doing, it will be condemned and it will face the wrath of the international community and rightfully so I may add. But thankfully, America isn't like that at all. On the contrary. They have always been on the right side of history.
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Sorry to disappoint you Paphitis, but America and the West in general has been on the wrong side of history for centuries.

But let’s not go so back and just stay with times since the WWII starting with the destruction of Japan, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria and a few more.

So now Russia is in their crosshairs. This may not end well either for those pushing for this war in Ukraine with Russia! This kind of war is not Russia’s first Rodeo as they have proven throughout history to have the durability to fight at any cost, especially when it comes to protecting mother Russia.

I have a friend in San Francisco who was drafted to go to Vietnam and once he served his tour (sounds like a vacation, doesn’t it?) he never went back again, but some from his unit voluntarily went back for another 2-3 tours. When I asked him why would they do that, his answer was very chilling. He said, because they loved to kill. Yes, the killings of Vietnamese, and not necessarily killing those in battle with the enemy. Many indiscriminate killings of ordinary citizens too because of no accountability. So, what repercussions did the US faced from the world for committing such atrocities? What about in Iraq where hundreds of thousands of ordinary Iraqis were killed? The list goes on my friend. NATO and the collective West are never held accountable to all the atrocities they have committed in the past, present or in the future. Those are the facts.

PBS America (Public Broadcasting Service) makes wonderful unbiased documentaries of major events and topics. Try to watch the ones on Vietnam which is covered very extensively. No doubt the war in Ukraine will be presented sometime in the future where facts will be shown as well as the misinformation and propaganda.

[Paphitis]

If America did what Ruzzia is doing, it will be condemned and it will face the wrath of the international community and rightfully so I may add. But thankfully, America isn't like that at all. On the contrary. They have always been on the right side of history.
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Sorry to disappoint you Paphitis, but America and the West in general has been on the wrong side of history for centuries.

But let’s not go so back and just stay with times since the WWII starting with the destruction of Japan, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria and a few more.

So now Russia is in their crosshairs. This may not end well either for those pushing for this war in Ukraine with Russia! This kind of war is not Russia’s first Rodeo as they have proven throughout history to have the durability to fight at any cost, especially when it comes to protecting mother Russia.

I have a friend in San Francisco who was drafted to go to Vietnam and once he served his tour (sounds like a vacation, doesn’t it?) he never went back again, but some from his unit voluntarily went back for another 2-3 tours. When I asked him why would they do that, his answer was very chilling. He said, because they loved to kill. Yes, the killings of Vietnamese, and not necessarily killing those in battle with the enemy. Many indiscriminate killings of ordinary citizens too because of no accountability. So, what repercussions did the US faced from the world for committing such atrocities? What about in Iraq where hundreds of thousands of ordinary Iraqis were killed? The list goes on my friend. NATO and the collective West are never held accountable to all the atrocities they have committed in the past, present or in the future. Those are the facts.

PBS America (Public Broadcasting Service) makes wonderful unbiased documentaries of major events and topics. Try to watch the ones on Vietnam which is covered very extensively. No doubt the war in Ukraine will be presented sometime in the future where facts will be shown as well as the misinformation and propaganda.

Gosh Kikapu, but did you make all hat up much???

I'm so sorry but the west hasn't been on the wrong side of history.

Japan - the US was part of the alliance that was defending against the AXIS. Albeit a late entrant into the war, as a result of Japan's attack on Pearl Harbour. Otherwise, the Americans were actually quite happy to sit the war out. Luckily for us though, they didn't sit it out and Japan's attack on Pearl Harbour was a big strategic mistake because the US contributed a great deal to the defeat of both Germany, and Japan. Right side of history.

As for Vietnam. This war was kicking along for 10 years before America and Australia got involved. the reason why they entered the war was because of the Soviet Union's influence on North Vietnam. France, Australia and US entered the war to defend South Vietnam from North Vietnamese attack.

No soldier relishes killing anyone. In fact, most soldiers close their eyes the first time they squeeze the trigger knowing that they are about to kill someone. And it doesn't get easier after that neither. Soldiers just get desensitized to it, but it isn't a task any particularly enjoy or relish. Unless of course they are part of the 2% of sociopathic individuals who are incapable of empathy. The vast majority however (98%) do not fall in that category.

Secondly, Australian and US soldiers were drafted to go to Vietnam. There was no choice. And the vast majority of deployed soldiers never saw combat or killed anyone. In western military doctrine, for every 1 soldier at the front lines or in a combat role, there are at least 5 supporting soldiers behind in a logistical role. Cooks, Medics, Logistics and so on. So for every 100 deployed soldiers, only 20 are combat soldiers. They 80 will never see combat or kill anyone. Ruzzia is different, hence why they are losing. For every 1 combat soldier, there is just 1 in support. hence, nearly non existent logistics. no food for the soldiers, or field hospitals, and this is the reason why they are losing. Logistics wins wars.

Secondly, Australian and US Soldiers, who served in Vietnam are entitled to a lifetime pension. This is tax free, and they can continue to work with their pensions unnafected and not counting towards their income tax. Those who returned for a second tour and a third tour, in the main part had no choice in the matter. Especially fnthey were specialists like a Seal, SAS, Pilots, Medics, Doctors, Engineers and so on and so on.

As for the combat soldiers, well not many wanted to go back. Vietnam wasn't fun for them - on patrol through dense tropical jungles and an enemy that can appear from anywhere. Yes they killed - mainly the enemy VC they were fighting in support of the South Vietnamese Military. Right side of history.

Iraq - well they invaded kuwait. And during desert Storm, got their arses kicked and Kuwait was liberated. Right side of history.

But if you are referring to Iraq 2 and WMD - probably that was wrong of the US. But still, they really screwed up a tyrant so meh.

Afghanistan - well the US was under direct attack during 9/11, and that couldn't go unanswered. Al Qaeda were responsible and the Taliban were given a chance to hand them over to the US. They didn't, so therefore, the US attacked them. The US destroyed Al Qaeda, kille Osama Bin Laden (YAY!) and started chasing the mullahs all over the countryside. Right side of history.

Yugoslavia - the US had a no fly zone over Bosnia to protect Muslims from Sebian shelling and sieges. Do you remember the Sarajevo siege? That was brutal. Not only this but war criminals were bought to justice. Right side of history.

Syria - the US was fighting ISIS. And they destroyed them with the help of the coalition. The only bad thing the Americans did here was abandon the Kurds when the kurds deserved much better than that because they were important players and integral part of the destruction of ISIS in Syria and Iraq. America did bad, but they were still on the right side of history because they really fucked ISIS over big time. In my opinion, America's work in Syria is still unfinished. America needs to remove Asad at all cost.

As for LAOS and Cambodia - sorry but I don't know enough about them but as with Vietnam, these were not wars started by the US neither.

And Happy New Year.

[Paphitis]

Oh and Kikapu, while we are at it, you forgot to mention the Falklands War.

let's look at it now shall we. There were 2 sides - Argentina Vs UK.

Ronald Reagan, was on Argentina's side. in fact, Reagan and Thatcher were at blows because the US was in support of the Argentine Junta and the National Reorginisation Process.

And it wasn't only the US supporting the Argentines. France was very much in bed with the Argentines.

hence why Australia and Canada never entered the conflict, despite the UK War Cabinet trying to get Australia and Canada to enter the war. The US however, had far greater influence and power over Australia and Canada and in the end they stayed out.

So who was on the right side of History?

Argentina with its CIA backers? Or UK?

Bit of a no win there...

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[Kikapu]

Oh and Kikapu, while we are at it, you forgot to mention the Falklands War.

let's look at it now shall we. There were 2 sides - Argentina Vs UK.

Ronald Reagan, was on Argentina's side. in fact, Reagan and Thatcher were at blows because the US was in support of the Argentine Junta and the National Reorginisation Process.

And it wasn't only the US supporting the Argentines. France was very much in bed with the Argentines.

hence why Australia and Canada never entered the conflict, despite the UK War Cabinet trying to get Australia and Canada to enter the war. The US however, had far greater influence and power over Australia and Canada and in the end they stayed out.

So who was on the right side of History?

Argentina with its CIA backers? Or UK?

Bit of a no win there...

USA gave the UK 100 sidewinders to help win the war against Argentina, therefore USA was not neutral at all.

But since we are in the Americas, USA did many dirty plays in helping depose many of the left wing presidents freely elected in many countries in support of Right wing dictators, where thousands of people were murdered in central and South American countries.

[Lordo]

Oh and Kikapu, while we are at it, you forgot to mention the Falklands War.

let's look at it now shall we. There were 2 sides - Argentina Vs UK.

Ronald Reagan, was on Argentina's side. in fact, Reagan and Thatcher were at blows because the US was in support of the Argentine Junta and the National Reorginisation Process.

And it wasn't only the US supporting the Argentines. France was very much in bed with the Argentines.

hence why Australia and Canada never entered the conflict, despite the UK War Cabinet trying to get Australia and Canada to enter the war. The US however, had far greater influence and power over Australia and Canada and in the end they stayed out.

So who was on the right side of History?

Argentina with its CIA backers? Or UK?

Bit of a no win there...

USA gave the UK 100 sidewinders to help win the war against Argentina, therefore USA was not neutral at all.

But since we are in the Americas, USA did many dirty plays in helping depose many of the left wing presidents freely elected in many countries in support of Right wing dictators, where thousands of people were murdered in central and South American countries.

USA also gave Britain satellite military info too. Not forgetting that USA also backed both Greek and Turkish "Deep States" which in turn backed EOKA and TMT. USA also backed every coup in Turkey since the 60s and the Greek Coup back in 67 too.