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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Wed Oct 19, 2022 2:03 am

Escalating rallies and protests in Paris over the cost-of-living crisis...
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Escalating protests in Germany demanding ceasefire negotiations in Ukraine...
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What Putin does on the weekends... :?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:04 am

After what has happened in the last week or so, I wonder if Ukraine will try to blow the bridge or any other bridge for that matter.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:10 pm

Lordo wrote:After what has happened in the last week or so, I wonder if Ukraine will try to blow the bridge or any other bridge for that matter.


According to warnews 247 the new plan is to blow the dam in Kherson and drown everybody.
Far fetched, but who knows.This site talks about nukes all day...

The Russians appointed this "Armageddon" General who everyone says is a beast, that you get scared by just looking at. And here he is talking like a pussy, dreaming they are one Nation with the Ukrainians. Hasn't he realized yet the Ukrs consider them their worst enemy, and will hate them for eternity?

https://warnews247.gr/wp-content/upload ... 0/02-4.mp4
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:34 pm

Surovikin’s forte is the destruction of civilian infrastructure and populations.

He cut his teeth in Syria. Where he gained a well deserved reputation for efficient barbarity and getting results.

Thus, the recent emphasis on grinding the Ukrainians down by attacks on civilians and related supporting systems.

I see his appointment as another indication of Putin’s desperation. I don’t believe their aim will be achieved though. The Ukrainians seem made of pretty stern stuff. Surovikin will have no more success breaking them down than the Germans did in the UK Blitz. Nor the Allies with the German population.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:51 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:After what has happened in the last week or so, I wonder if Ukraine will try to blow the bridge or any other bridge for that matter.


According to warnews 247 the new plan is to blow the dam in Kherson and drown everybody.
Far fetched, but who knows.This site talks about nukes all day...

The Russians appointed this "Armageddon" General who everyone says is a beast, that you get scared by just looking at. And here he is talking like a pussy, dreaming they are one Nation with the Ukrainians. Hasn't he realized yet the Ukrs consider them their worst enemy, and will hate them for eternity?

https://warnews247.gr/wp-content/upload ... 0/02-4.mp4

it's like Cyprus in a way. There are people to this day hate GCs and nothing you can tell them will change their minds and you have similar problem with your fanatics. In good time the "normal" Ukrainians will learn how it all happened and will look to ways to cooperate. If you cannot cooperate with your neighbour, you will always have a problem. It is also a bit like Israel. Not all Israelis blame Hammas for what is going on there.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:21 pm

Londonrake wrote:Surovikin’s forte is the destruction of civilian infrastructure and populations.

He cut his teeth in Syria. Where he gained a well deserved reputation for efficient barbarity and getting results.

Thus, the recent emphasis on grinding the Ukrainians down by attacks on civilians and related supporting systems.

I see his appointment as another indication of Putin’s desperation. I don’t believe their aim will be achieved though. The Ukrainians seem made of pretty stern stuff. Surovikin will have no more success breaking them down than the Germans did in the UK Blitz. Nor the Allies with the German population.


I don't blame you for getting confused. The western media think the Russian army is now fully under his control. However the truth isit's not, and Surovikin is in a transitional state, currently getting instructed/informed by the previous General.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:44 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Londonrake wrote:Surovikin’s forte is the destruction of civilian infrastructure and populations.

He cut his teeth in Syria. Where he gained a well deserved reputation for efficient barbarity and getting results.

Thus, the recent emphasis on grinding the Ukrainians down by attacks on civilians and related supporting systems.

I see his appointment as another indication of Putin’s desperation. I don’t believe their aim will be achieved though. The Ukrainians seem made of pretty stern stuff. Surovikin will have no more success breaking them down than the Germans did in the UK Blitz. Nor the Allies with the German population.


I don't blame you for getting confused. The western media think the Russian army is now fully under his control. However the truth isit's not, and Surovikin is in a transitional state, currently getting instructed/informed by the previous General.


Confused? Moi? :D

I’m not sure what the western media “think”. The man has taken over their Southern Command from a General who got sacked after just a couple of months. At which point Putin was on the receiving end of increasing criticism from Russian nationalists that he wasn’t being hard enough. Something Surovikin is unlikely to ever be accused of.

Surovikin has quite a “dodgy” past, going right back to the Yeltsin years and has clearly been appointed because of his pretty murderous CV. My (personal) opinion is that, apart from killing a lot of civilians and toasting large amounts of real estate, he won’t make any difference to the outcome in Ukraine. Unlike Syria, where his methods are credited with turning the tide in favour of Assad, who was on the back foot at the time. Which is obviously why he’s got the current job.

I could be wrong regarding outcomes of course - just like everybody else - but am not I submit confused.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Oct 19, 2022 4:27 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Londonrake wrote:Surovikin’s forte is the destruction of civilian infrastructure and populations.

He cut his teeth in Syria. Where he gained a well deserved reputation for efficient barbarity and getting results.

Thus, the recent emphasis on grinding the Ukrainians down by attacks on civilians and related supporting systems.

I see his appointment as another indication of Putin’s desperation. I don’t believe their aim will be achieved though. The Ukrainians seem made of pretty stern stuff. Surovikin will have no more success breaking them down than the Germans did in the UK Blitz. Nor the Allies with the German population.


I don't blame you for getting confused. The western media think the Russian army is now fully under his control. However the truth isit's not, and Surovikin is in a transitional state, currently getting instructed/informed by the previous General.


Confused? Moi? :D

I’m not sure what the western media “think”. The man has taken over their Southern Command from a General who got sacked after just a couple of months. At which point Putin was on the receiving end of increasing criticism from Russian nationalists that he wasn’t being hard enough. Something Surovikin is unlikely to ever be accused of.

Surovikin has quite a “dodgy” past, going right back to the Yeltsin years and has clearly been appointed because of his pretty murderous CV. My (personal) opinion is that, apart from killing a lot of civilians and toasting large amounts of real estate, he won’t make any difference to the outcome in Ukraine. Unlike Syria, where his methods are credited with turning the tide in favour of Assad, who was on the back foot at the time. Which is obviously why he’s got the current job.

I could be wrong regarding outcomes of course - just like everybody else - but am not I submit confused.


Well Surovikin is going to be in Ukraine to direct the operations. He said it himself. He is currently in Moscow. This proves he is in a transitional state, and the current shelling of Energy infrastructure was decided before he was appointed.
Why is it so difficult for you to understand the war has entered a new phase, and that's not because of him. What HE will do remains to be seen.

Spreading panic to the civilians is a war tactic. The Ukrainians are currently shelling civilians in Donesk on a daily basis. Nothing of that shows in Western media. Surovikin may try that too, but that's not how wars are won. Ukraine's houses are not made of mad bricks like in Syria...
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Oct 19, 2022 4:30 pm

Lordo wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:After what has happened in the last week or so, I wonder if Ukraine will try to blow the bridge or any other bridge for that matter.


According to warnews 247 the new plan is to blow the dam in Kherson and drown everybody.
Far fetched, but who knows.This site talks about nukes all day...

The Russians appointed this "Armageddon" General who everyone says is a beast, that you get scared by just looking at. And here he is talking like a pussy, dreaming they are one Nation with the Ukrainians. Hasn't he realized yet the Ukrs consider them their worst enemy, and will hate them for eternity?

https://warnews247.gr/wp-content/upload ... 0/02-4.mp4

it's like Cyprus in a way. There are people to this day hate GCs and nothing you can tell them will change their minds and you have similar problem with your fanatics. In good time the "normal" Ukrainians will learn how it all happened and will look to ways to cooperate. If you cannot cooperate with your neighbour, you will always have a problem. It is also a bit like Israel. Not all Israelis blame Hammas for what is going on there.


it's a matter of majority-minority then. Do you doubt the majority of Ukrainians will hate the Russians for eternity?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Wed Oct 19, 2022 5:10 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:After what has happened in the last week or so, I wonder if Ukraine will try to blow the bridge or any other bridge for that matter.


According to warnews 247 the new plan is to blow the dam in Kherson and drown everybody.
Far fetched, but who knows.This site talks about nukes all day...

The Russians appointed this "Armageddon" General who everyone says is a beast, that you get scared by just looking at. And here he is talking like a pussy, dreaming they are one Nation with the Ukrainians. Hasn't he realized yet the Ukrs consider them their worst enemy, and will hate them for eternity?

https://warnews247.gr/wp-content/upload ... 0/02-4.mp4

it's like Cyprus in a way. There are people to this day hate GCs and nothing you can tell them will change their minds and you have similar problem with your fanatics. In good time the "normal" Ukrainians will learn how it all happened and will look to ways to cooperate. If you cannot cooperate with your neighbour, you will always have a problem. It is also a bit like Israel. Not all Israelis blame Hammas for what is going on there.


it's a matter of majority-minority then. Do you doubt the majority of Ukrainians will hate the Russians for eternity?

Yes I do once they understand what is going on. The fanatics on both sides certainly will take their hate to their grave, but ordinary folk will realise like most Cypriots that the Cyprus problem was a scenario written in USA and the local actors were employed to enact it and caused havoc. I meet Cypriots who have lost everything in 1974 and yet they have no hatred towards the other side.

This TC lost all his family and he has a friend called Suppros who also lost 17 members of his family and they are fighting for peace. it is easy once you realise that as a nation you have been used and your won fanatics helped the process.

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