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[Lordo]

I have a feeling a raw nerve has been disturbed. Rub salt on it me old china.

[Pyrpolizer]

I have a feeling a raw nerve has been disturbed. Rub salt on it me old china.

LondonRocky got confused.................again.

[Lordo]

I have a feeling a raw nerve has been disturbed. Rub salt on it me old china.

LondonRocky got confused.................again.

The trouble is he is convinced Churchill won the war and it all revolved around bombing Berlin. I suspect he does not know why Bomber Harris bombed Berlin and I will not tell him. Let him find that out himself.

[repulsewarrior]

...this, in the Ukrainian issue.

Let us imagine that there is a readership which stumbles upon us in this, the Cyprus Forum.

...how nice to imagine these people enriched by the experience, and returning.

...indeed GR does himself no favors. (and he wants to be, the moderator, here).

...like i said GR, stick to the facts. Post, post in that manner that got me hooked, that makes you great. The stuff that makes 'you' think.

But that was a long time ago it seems; more one of "Them" you've become, and less Cypriot, today more a braggart than a patriot.

"Top dogs" are loved, being loving beings, such killers are not mean.

[repulsewarrior]

Let's face it, any country the Yanks interfere in turns to shit. It is time the cunts stayed in their own borders and stop telling people how to run their country.

Perhaps they can bring their democratic system into the 21st Century from the 18th. Now that will be a start.

yavash yavash mo re, the "Greeks" have their mythic connection to Democracy longer, "Americans", the French and the British, their elite in that regard are no different, they struggle; it is 'us', those not "Them" who lead, the People: and since then, the beginning of History in effect, it has always been that way.

While "Russians" and "Ukes", "Turks" and "Americans" exist, there is 'us', Russian and Ukrainian, Greek, Turkish, and American, not "Them".

[Lordo]

I have a feeling a raw nerve has been disturbed. Rub salt on it me old china.

LondonRocky got confused.................again.

I think he allowed his thoughts to cross with Maxi's thoughts again. Only bad things can come out of that one.

[Pyrpolizer]

I have a feeling a raw nerve has been disturbed. Rub salt on it me old china.

LondonRocky got confused.................again.

The trouble is he is convinced Churchill won the war and it all revolved around bombing Berlin. I suspect he does not know why Bomber Harris bombed Berlin and I will not tell him. Let him find that out himself.

[Kikapu]

Yes, symbolically Ukraine can pat themselves on the back in causing this damage on the bridge, but it is by no means a game changer in the war, and most definitely not worthy to celebrate if the Russians respond with much costlier effect against the Ukrainians.

So Zelensky, was it really worth bombing the Crimea bridge with relatively little damage and then taking “victory laps” with a grin on your face from ear to ear, to which you have now got most of your power producing infrastructures put out of commission and complaining to anyone who would listen or care (not) to your complaints of Russian missile strikes? Didn’t you get the memo that winter is upon your country and that you will need power to keep your people warm? As for Europe, Zelensky is stopping any little symbolic electricity he was sending to you, pronto, perhaps enough to make a cup of tea or coffee! It is going to be a dark and cold winter in Ukraine for the next few months for all Ukrainians, but not for Zelensky and his inner circles.

Sorry - trying to sort out the wheat from chaff. There's been a lotta chaff!

The attack on the Kerch bridge - by whoever/however was brilliant in its execution. It was a major strategic target and supposedly defended as such. The event in itself, regardless of damage done, was monumental and a huge personal humiliation for Putin.

Subsequent attacks on Kiev and other targets are militarily inconsequential - a waste of what's apparently becoming precious ammo - and although supposedly designed to cower or terrorise the Ukrainians have actually had the opposite effect. They have more to do with Putin placating his, ever more confident, critics than revenge for Kerch.

Fast rewind.

In 1940 the German population were living life mostly as normal. That, basking in their forces victories overrunning Europe. Culminating in the Wehrmacht - and one of Hitler's rare foreign excursions - parading triumphantly through the Arc de Triomphe.

Goering boasted that if ever a bomb was dropped on Berlin "You can stop calling me Goering and call me Meyer". A German derogatory term. Hitler echoed that confidence in speeches.

On 25th August, 95 RAF aircraft set out to bomb Templehof airfield in Berlin. Damage was negligible but the result was monumental. Hitler and the German press were apoplectic. He forced the Luftwaffe to change its tactic of attacking - what was by then a much depleted and exhausted RAF - to the bombing of British cities as an act of petulant revenge. Following attacks on Berlin were carried out by the RAF where the sirens became known as "Meyer's trumpets". Despite low results it was thought worth it to get 4 million Germans out of bed and into shelters at night. Their government's assurances were taken with a hefty pinch of salt thereafter.

A month later the German air force was effectively defeated in the Battle of Britain. Which could be considered an early turning point in WW2.

My Grandparents used to march their families dutifully down the garden to spend the air raid periods in their Anderson shelters. Except on (tin) bath night. "If we're going to meet our maker it will be clean". The more the Germans bombed the more they hated them and the higher morale became.

Putin's efforts will, I am personally sure, end up producing the same results.

The Russians are losing this war and Putin's clearly becoming ever more desperate.

Wars are not exactly a “gentleman’s game” and that ALL targets are vulnerable to be hit at one time or the other should the war continue long enough. Winning the war is the objective, but it is never assured. Even great powers lose wars if you go back in history as well as recent times. Wars will come and go and people will suffer and die. What else does wars do!

[Londonrake]

Wars are not exactly a “gentleman’s game” and that ALL targets are vulnerable to be hit at one time or the other should the war continue long enough. Winning the war is the objective, but it is never assured. Even great powers lose wars if you go back in history as well as recent times. Wars will come and go and people will suffer and die. What else does wars do!

Thanks for the response. It's seemed to become increasingly futile, trying to keep the thread - more-or-less - on track

Whoever's claimed war to be such? Although, there are clearly some in here who've thoroughly enjoyed the whole thing and delight in gloating/boasting about it. Plus, occasionally offering their considered, experienced views on ways the Russians are getting things wrong.

I assume by "gentleman's game" you're referring to there being a significant change in emphasis re-Russian strategy after the Kerch bridge incident? From the achievement of military objectives to basically revenge "Blitz" attacks on the Ukrainian civilian population.

You seem to be missing my point(s) though. IMHO, in order to satisfy his own petulant anger, and placate what's become an increasing chorus of criticism from his subordinates that he's not being brutal enough, Putin has made a significant error. One of his many in this ill-conceived war.

I offered the historical parallel of Hitler's anger in 1940 at the RAF attack on Berlin Templehof. By ordering the Luftwaffe to change its strategy and concentrate on the bombing of UK cities he gave the RAF time to consolidate and regroup after what had become a relentless and increasingly successful campaign of attrition against them. Had he not done so the outcome of the war could have been changed significantly.

It's tended to be a maxim in military campaigns throughout history that you should always maintain the objective.

The Ukrainian people won't be terrorised or cowered by these attacks. They will just serve to enhance their resolve. Globally, what was left of Putin's diminishing reputation will shrink even more. Perceived as an indiscriminate butcher of civilians.

He clearly has no way of winning now, in essence is losing and seems to be becoming ever more desperate.

Time's not on the man's side.

[Lordo]

Some pibol are just too simple spurting out the West myths.

What does it mean Russia cannot win? Cannot win what? Has Putin ever declared he wanted to take over the whole of Ukraine?

Ultimately the Russian speakers in the east and the south will be part of the Russian federation and the rest of Ukraine will not join Nato.