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[Kikapu]

As for nuking Japan, the choices were clear. Either nuke Japan, and cause Japan to surrender, or invade them, have war for many more years to come, which Japan would have a good chance of winning, but losing even more civilians.

Neither the US, Australia, or Britain would have had the appetite for continued war.

Justification, justification, justification!

So why can’t Russia too justify to end the war in Ukraine by nuking couple of places in Ukraine?

I am not saying Russia should, but if they must, would you then say, “yeah, it is justifiable because it would save thousand of lives on both sides because Russia does not have the stomach to lose 100,000 of it’s soldiers, so it make sense to kill countless on the other sides with couple of nukes to bring the war to an end”!

Don’t you see how ridiculous your argument sounds, that one was justifiable and the would not be!

But guess what, a precedence was set with Japan getting nuked for what was claimed to be a justifiable act, because the side which made it justifiable was the side also won the war. So, Russia would too justify it’s actions should they nuke Ukraine and win the war, no?

Ruzzia can do what it wants. But there will be no justification for it either legally or morally. Ruzzia is the aggressor and breaking international laws left and right.

And, they are taking the biggest gamble ever over Ruzzia's existence. Sorry, but I'm not going to argue over whether they will or not. It's possible they will. But then it's also possible that's the end of Ruzzia. Personally, I think it's a remote possibility but still a possibility.

For me it's neither here nor there. What is at stake is the UN Charter and peace and stability of the entire planet and especially Europe.

Ukraine and collective west have no choice. Ukraine must and will be liberated, tactical nukes or not.

Making threats is nothing new for Pootin. If Ukraine is nuked, then in my opinion, NATO has no choice but to go all in with boots on the ground.

No I don't see your point at all. Nuking Hiroshima is no different to carpet bombing Dresden. Body counts were similar. That is how WW2 was fought. Ruzzia is still in that mindset mind you, whereas the collective west do it differently these days.

If you were to look at the Ukraine/Russia war objectively, you will find that NATO has no say so what happens there as they are neither the guarantors nor are they the “right hand man” of the UN. No one has attacked an NATO member, and should NATO enter Ukraine to try to liberate the areas under the Russian control, they too face the possibility to be nuked as they are in “no man’s land”, unless NATO is in fact invited to come in by Zelensky, which then the real war of nuclear will start which everyone will lose. But Zelensky has invited NATO to come into Ukraine officially many times, and many times NATO said, err, “thanks but, no thanks.”

Yes, I know you do not see my point nuking Japan and nuking Ukraine. Lies there the problem!

[Pyrpolizer]

The EU is on the verge of collapsing. Huge changes coming with the newly elected government.
In the meantime it's good to learn what Berlusconi (definitely pro Russian) said just a week ago about the war in Ukraine.

https://warnews247-gr.translate.goog/o- ... r_pto=wapp

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63005402

[Lordo]

There is no way it will be allowed to escalate to Nuclear warfare by either side even if Ukrainian soldiers are marching into Moscow. No chance of it happening.
Let me spell it out for you.
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W on't have

See? It will not happen.

[Lordo]

The EU is on the verge of collapsing. Huge changes coming with the newly elected government.
In the meantime it's good to learn what Berlusconi (definitely pro Russian) said just a week ago about the war in Ukraine.

https://warnews247-gr.translate.goog/o- ... r_pto=wapp

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63005402

There is no verge about it, we are already collapsed.

[Pyrpolizer]

If Ruzzia use a nuclear weapon, it will be to their detriment. They will be a Pariah for the next 50 years. It can't be compared to Japan at all. The Allies then were only seeking a Japanese surrender to end WW2 and did not want to invade Japan. So this was the only way.

You see Paphitis, you are making excuses to the collective West in their justification for nuking Japan twice, a civilian targets each time no less, because it would save lives of the allied forces had the war continued, and if the aim is to end the war by nuking the opposition, then surely under your own reasoning in using nukes can be justified, then surely Russia using nukes in Ukraine would also end the war and saving thousands of lives from both sides, no?

The west isn't required to justify anything. The response from the west has already been justified and it is just a response to an illegal invasion of a sovereign country and member of the United Nations.

The west has not invaded anyone, or acted illegally.

The collective west sees the invasion of Ukraine as no different to the invasion of Poland by Hitler, and it is an event which will either create dire consequences for the globe. In any event, threats of Nuclear War are completely meaningless. The western military doctrine when dealing with dangerous tyrants like pootin, is that the west makes a stand in Ukraine, to prevent future disasters for Poland, Moldova, Finland, and the Baltics. Ukraine now is the defence line for Europe at large. So now we are in a game of poker. And the collective west and NATO are calling to see Pootin's hand. If worse comes to worse, Russia will be gambling with the existence of Ruzzia at large.

For the last 20 years, the West has given Pootin the benefit of doubt. But now, those days are over.

As for nuking Japan, the choices were clear. Either nuke Japan, and cause Japan to surrender, or invade them, have war for many more years to come, which Japan would have a good chance of winning, but losing even more civilians.

Neither the US, Australia, or Britain would have had the appetite for continued war.

Let me ask you a question. Why did they nuke Japan, and not Germany which was the root of the problem? I 'd bet you don't know.

[Lordo]

If Ruzzia use a nuclear weapon, it will be to their detriment. They will be a Pariah for the next 50 years. It can't be compared to Japan at all. The Allies then were only seeking a Japanese surrender to end WW2 and did not want to invade Japan. So this was the only way.

You see Paphitis, you are making excuses to the collective West in their justification for nuking Japan twice, a civilian targets each time no less, because it would save lives of the allied forces had the war continued, and if the aim is to end the war by nuking the opposition, then surely under your own reasoning in using nukes can be justified, then surely Russia using nukes in Ukraine would also end the war and saving thousands of lives from both sides, no?

The west isn't required to justify anything. The response from the west has already been justified and it is just a response to an illegal invasion of a sovereign country and member of the United Nations.

The west has not invaded anyone, or acted illegally.

The collective west sees the invasion of Ukraine as no different to the invasion of Poland by Hitler, and it is an event which will either create dire consequences for the globe. In any event, threats of Nuclear War are completely meaningless. The western military doctrine when dealing with dangerous tyrants like pootin, is that the west makes a stand in Ukraine, to prevent future disasters for Poland, Moldova, Finland, and the Baltics. Ukraine now is the defence line for Europe at large. So now we are in a game of poker. And the collective west and NATO are calling to see Pootin's hand. If worse comes to worse, Russia will be gambling with the existence of Ruzzia at large.

For the last 20 years, the West has given Pootin the benefit of doubt. But now, those days are over.

As for nuking Japan, the choices were clear. Either nuke Japan, and cause Japan to surrender, or invade them, have war for many more years to come, which Japan would have a good chance of winning, but losing even more civilians.

Neither the US, Australia, or Britain would have had the appetite for continued war.

Let me ask you a question. Why did they nuke Japan, and not Germany which was the root of the problem? I 'd bet you don't know.

One of the reasons was that they only had two bombs. But I will leave the actual reason to Bafidoboullos to find out.

[Pyrpolizer]

Ukraine lost it's right to exist at current borders by the minute it violated ALL agreements that made it a State. They lost that right by the minute they changed their constitution to become Nato members, an existential threat to Russia who actually made them a "State". Nobody in Ukraine is fighting for their Country. They are fighting for territory that was never theirs on the first place. All eastern Ukraine was and still is predominantly Russian, inhabited by Russian natives for centuries. Not only Russian, but Greek Russians as well, Sevastoupol, Melitoupol, Odessa, Marioupol were all Greek Russian cities. When exactly was Odessa ever Ukrainian FCS??
What the Ukrainians WERE doing is actually genocide against the Russian speakers on the East for the whole purpose of stealing their lands. They never wanted them and they were forcing them to leave and go to Russia. Donbas was once the richest places in Ukraine, a real the power in wealth. What it ended up within 30 years is very clear. All old people with GDP close (if not below) average.

That's what the Ukranians are "fighting" right now. To steal territory that was never theirs. They don't give a shit for the people of that territory. That's why they were always using them as human shield all these months placing their tanks and artillery in residential areas next to schools, theaters, hospitals etc.
And that's why they shell bus stops, streets, squares everything purely civilian you can imagine in Donesk today. Plus of course the never ending shelling of the ZnuclearPP...

[Get Real!]

Ukraine lost it's right to exist at current borders by the minute it violated ALL agreements that made it a State. They lost that right by the minute they changed their constitution to become Nato members, an existential threat to Russia who actually made them a "State". Nobody in Ukraine is fighting for their Country. They are fighting for territory that was never theirs on the first place. All eastern Ukraine was and still is predominantly Russian, inhabited by Russian natives for centuries. Not only Russian, but Greek Russians as well, Sevastoupol, Melitoupol, Odessa, Marioupol were all Greek Russian cities. When exactly was Odessa ever Ukrainian FCS??
What the Ukrainians WERE doing is actually genocide against the Russian speakers on the East for the whole purpose of stealing their lands. They never wanted them and they were forcing them to leave and go to Russia. Donbas was once the richest places in Ukraine, a real the power in wealth. What it ended up within 30 years is very clear. All old people with GDP close (if not below) average.

That's what the Ukranians are "fighting" right now. To steal territory that was never theirs. They don't give a shit for the people of that territory. That's why they were always using them as human shield all these months placing their tanks and artillery in residential areas next to schools, theaters, hospitals etc.
And that's why they shell bus stops, streets, squares everything purely civilian you can imagine in Donesk today. Plus of course the never ending shelling of the ZnuclearPP...

Absolutely! Also, the Ukraine forfeited its sovereignty through multiple other ways including:

• The hosting of numerous illegal bio-labs playing with dangerous pathogens.
• The adaptation of Nazi-themed militias tormenting citizens.
• The abolition of all opposition parties.
• The treasonous surrender of the State to the criminal US!

And much more.

[Pyrpolizer]

Great video showing the suicidal Ukrainian penetration in Kherson.
I kept wondering why the Russians don't just recapture the whole area?
Well, why should they? Isn't it a nice slaughterhouse as long as the Ukrs keep sending free meat ?

https://t.me/rybar/39359

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Destruction of the columns of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the Andreevsky bridgehead in the Kherson region

The forces of the 76th Airborne Assault Division and the Russian Aerospace Forces continue to destroy the reinforcements of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the Andreevsky sector of the front in the Kherson region.

The village of Sukhoi Stavok is located in the bare steppe: it is an intermediate settlement through which lies the path to the Davydov Brod-Berislav highway, which the Armed Forces of Ukraine are trying to cut.

The video perfectly illustrates how the battles look like in this area: for a month now, the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has been sending equipment and personnel to Sukhoi Stavok, which are destroyed on the approaches.

In just 20 days of fighting, the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost over four thousand people killed in Andreevka and Sukhoi Stavka.