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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:34 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Londonrake wrote:I’ve been reading a lot these past few days that one of Putin’s biggest headaches is the Russian nationalists who’s support he courted so astutely leading up to the invasion. They’ve been free to express their views in the media throughout. Now though, with the Kiev debacle and recent further setbacks, they are turning against him.

The concern is that, in the event of a Russian collapse, rather than somebody like Navalny taking over it will more likely be an extreme nationalist.

A case of better the Devil you know perhaps.


Nope. It really doesn't matter who will take over. Pootin is an evil man. To have an even more evil man makes no difference.


You’re not looking at it right.

Try something.

Sit back. Close your eyes and imagine.

Ready?

Imagine if it was GR. :shock: :shock: :shock:

Get it? :lol: :wink:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:40 pm

Bad news for Paphitis... :(

As the “great offensive” that was going to push the Russians out of the Ukraine has fizzled out, and the emboldened Paphits' diarrhea reached astronomical levels… the Russians seem to have gone back to capturing territory again with the fall of Mayorsk earlier today, and the capture of the industrial area of Bakhmut!

Err, what now Paphitis? :? :lol:

NB: NATO needs another 3 months to "train" and equip another 10,000 conscripts to throw into the slaughter!
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Sep 15, 2022 4:20 pm

Hmm.. this is very interesting
New law in Ukraine allowing male Ukrainians to leave the country to work abroad.
I haven't managed to download the law however Rybar says the Ukrs have 35% unemployment, and the fee for exit is $350 that will go straight to the armed forces. (Strange! 58 billion wasn't enough???)

https://itd-rada-gov-ua.translate.goog/ ... r_pto=wapp
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:34 pm

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Londonrake wrote:I always thought Russia would ultimately prevail in this war, the numbers seemed to speak for themselves, and that Paphitis was suffering from an excess of jingoism. :lol: Nevertheless, I’m beginning to think he may have been on the right track, all along.

I suppose it ultimately comes down to your definition of “win”.


My position has never been a position of jingoism or wishful thinking. I actually believed Ukraine will defeat the Russian Invasion from Day 1. Even when Russian Forces were at the outskirts of Kyiv, I believed Ukraine would win. However, I could not rule out at the time the possibility that Russia could have delivered the killer blow to the UKG. But, I believed the Russians would have had to enter Kyiv, go from building to building, street to street, and meeting heavy resistence from the Ukrainian Military. It would have been the biggest bloodbath we have ever seen in our lifetimes, with thousands of Ukrainian Civilians dieing each day, and the Russian Military losing many thousands of soldiers also, in a military action that can never be sustained. But nevertheless, I was worried at the time, but still believed Russia would fail.

I now am not even worried. I know Russia will fail. Everything is now in Ukraine's favour and the Ukrainian Military leadership have handled everything like a western military would, with a bit of old Soviet Style military doctrine added in. The Ukrainians, supported by many western countries, including the US, and many others to boot, have meticulously planned everything with minute detail and precision and played the Russians to their strengths. In the early days, Ukraine wasn't well equiped with weapons, and therefore, the Ukrainians had to protect their soldiers. Make many tactical withdrawalls and save their troops as much as practiceable. Surrender territory is preferred to losing thousands of soldiers in a short space of time. Just resist, spoil and delay the Russians, but the price in lives had to be acceptable. This is Western Military Doctrine.

And by delaying and buying time, it allowed the Americans, NATO and many other countries, to begin the arduous task of arming the Ukrainians with Russian, Western and also many game changer weapons systems such as the HIMARS, ATACMS, Javelin, Bayraktar and Stinger Missiles. Russia still can not get around these game changer weapons systems. It's about the right tools, to hit at Russia's weak points. The way everything was planned and figured out was absolutely perfect.

That's when a new phase had begun. The Ukrainian Military still built up defences, to spoil and delay the Russians and still concede territory rather than send its troops into a meat grinder. It was all about weakening the Russians and waiting for the weak points to develop. And how would they develop? With the game changer weapons, in particular, HIMARS. Every Day, every night, salvos of HIMARS and maybe even ATACMS (not confirmed) would be launched against Russian Command and Control Centres, Railways, Major Supply Routes, and Logistics and Weapons Storage bases. This would happen every night, and the blows dealt to Russia were devastating and costly.

And over a period of time, Western Intelligence Services and Ukrainian Intelligence would assess the sharp decline in Russian Morale. But still too early. Then, with the utmost expertise, the Ukrainians were getting under Russia's nose, with Psychological Warfare that was conducted with text book precision. The Ukrainians signalled the Kherson Offensive would take place. And thgey would do a number of shaping operations along the front to convince the Russians to re-inforce the area which is what they did. Then, the supply lines were cut. So effectively, there are up to 25,000 Russian soldiers now trapped.

Then, the Ukrainians attack in Kharkiv Oblast which was the intention all along.

But don't be fooled. The Ukrainian Military will attack and is already conducting successful operations in Kherson. But they are doing it wisely. There is no point in conducting a full scale attack now. It is a slow and meticulous offensive to draw Russian Fire. Russian Troops have no supply lines. Therefore, it's a waiting game. And it's done this way to reduce Ukrainian Casualties. The point where the Russian Defences collapse is inevitable. In my opinion, I predict a partial Russian collapse within 48 hours as Ukrainian Forces are only about 30 km from the Dam. Russians to the north could potentially be cut off, trapped and captured. More likely though, the Russians will retreat. It's a losing battle for them.

More likely scenario though is that Russian Forces will collapse and surrender in about a weeks time, or towards the end of September.

And if it doesn't happen, it will certainly happen in October. The Ukrainian Objective in my opinion is that it has to happen before winter.

When it happens, the Ukrainians would have shut down 250 kms of the front. They have natural defences in Kherson and can redploy tens of thousands of troops.

But I also think the Ukrainians will start a third front to divert Russian Forces there as well. Mariupol.

In the north, the Ukrainians will cut off vital supply lines to the north of Donbass. And they will even free Sievierodonetsk and Lysichansk from the rear. This is what it looks like to me.

And why do I believe Ukraine will win? It's very simple. Everything favours them now. As the Tempo reduces over winter, the west will continue to supply and train Ukrainian Forces with great weapons. Cyprus is now considering sending Ukraine its entire fleet of T-80 Tanks even. The entire world is united against Russia.

But the biggest reason is that the Ukrainians are very high in morale. they all want to fight for their country as defenders, protecting their nation, people and families. There is no greater morale boost and inspiration than that. It doesn't matter even if Russia mobilizes. The bigger elephant in the room is if Ukraine mobilizes, and Ukraine's conscripts will be better motivated than Russia's and deploy much quicker and faster. And the taps of western arms are open. Ukraine has not fully mobilized.

The only soldeirs Russia has that can actually put up some kind of fight are its mercenaries from Chechnya and Wagner Group. But even still, Ukrainian Soldiers have better morale and drive even over them. Russia will deploy some criminals from its prison system. The only advantage they would have over Ukrainian Soldiers is their willingness to kill another human. All soldiers close their eyes the first time the fire that lethal shot. These Russian Criminals will not close their eyes. They will kill women, children, rape and pillage.

You can't fight and defeat the Ukrainians. It's impossible. So many superpowers have found out the hard way.

Cyprus, in 1955-1959 dared to fight the British. Just 300, maybe 500 tops, EOKA fighters would attack, terrorize, bomb and ambush the British Military and other targets.

Here is a story of the kind of enemy the British would face. My mother lived in a house in Paphos at the time. Next door was a Cypriot who was a British Police officer. 2 EOKA fighters jumped the fence into her backyard, pulled their balaklavas down to cover their face, told my mother to scram and go to her Mother. They jumped over the next fence, kicked the door open, found this police man, made him kneel and executed him at point blank. The 2 EOKA boys, then went out on the street as another mother pushing a pram with a baby was strolling along in time for the 2 EOKA boys to remove their Blaklavas and place them into the pram before disappearing before they could be arrested by the British. Just like that.

Britain couldn't fight against that, just like Russia can't in Ukraine.

So many examples as well. Russia, in Afghanistan. US in Aghanistan. US in Vietnam and so on and so on.

Now, Russia's expedition in Ukraine, is looking to be one of the biggest military disasters in history.

I JUST BELIEVE UKRAINE WILL WIN. BELIEVED IT IN FEBRUARY AND I BELIEVE IT TODAY EVEN MORE.

And what is more, is that the Ukrainian People believe this as well. See what I mean. It's a people that won't stop. Like the Taliban never stopped. At which point it will be time for Russia to withdraw. That is an inevitability. Russia will not fight this for the next 10 years. I don't believe they have another 12 months tops. But for Ukrainians, it doesn't matter how long.

Put yourselves in the boots of a Russian Soldier, knowing you are fighting a war that is unwinnable. And seeing all your mates die around you as their commanders throw them into the meat grinder. And the fact they are not even paid correctly, taking away the financial incentive. The fact that you are hungry and freezing because no suplly lines. And seeing everything get blown up from HIMARS. Well, who do you think will be in higher spirits?

Russia, is stuffed! Big time.

Sorry to all the apologists. But the laugh is on all of YOU.


...and you forgot "shock and awe'', how that turned out. There was a reason that the senior Bush did not enter the Capital.

Indeed, all those weapons, Russia a "superpower", and it still boils down to the will of people, the People.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:09 pm

Get Real! wrote:What makes me angry is that Russia; with their half-hearted pussyfooting invasion, has gravely endangered thousands of Russophone Ukrainians of the east, who have had to endure 8 years of shelling from their own government, and now have to face the repercussions of the now even more emboldened and vengeful Ukrainian military who will brand them “collaborators” for welcoming what they thought were their permanent liberators!

In other words, these people were damned pre-invasion and are now even more damned!

And the international community doesn’t give a rat’s arse about them!

If you were not prepared to give these people a permanent solution then why did you go there Russia?

Russia now has a MORAL OBLIGATION to get back in there and sort this mess out!


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... llies-flee

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:03 pm



...news, lots of it; i found it interesting: cheers.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:17 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...news, lots of it; i found it interesting: cheers.

Like Paphitis, you are attracted to youtube excrement like a fly.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:49 pm

While Repulse enjoys his YT excrement, here's the REAL NEWS of the last 24 hours...


As Russians embark on their gradual advances again, dead abandoned Ukies are discovered this time near Peski...
https://seed125.bitchute.com/9G0DhX7u29 ... EoQsC6.mp4

More Ukie dead and injured...
https://zb10-7gsop1v78.bitchute.com/nnw ... 7klOnC.mp4

Plane flies out injured Ukies to European hospitals for emergency medical procedures...
https://seed171.bitchute.com/nnwlaOOuDM ... ghEY4a.mp4

Russian mortar fire wastes trench Ukies...
https://seed306.bitchute.com/nnwlaOOuDM ... dttvrE.mp4

More mortar fire and wasted Ukies...
https://seed125.bitchute.com/9G0DhX7u29 ... jdNGhI.mp4
https://seed167.bitchute.com/SaNUTh4l0C ... FNbqTk.mp4

Russian TOS-1A blast sends Ukies flying...
https://seed177.bitchute.com/SaNUTh4l0C ... bnowVh.mp4

Russian 2A36 Giatsint-B field gun in action...
https://zn21g5kls-n995.bitchute.com/SaN ... O0ag30.mp4

Destroying Ukie pontoon bridge with several LMUR missiles...
https://seed125.bitchute.com/9G0DhX7u29 ... yrDjyw.mp4

Ukie trenches flooded after Ukie strikes on nearby dam...
https://seed306.bitchute.com/9G0DhX7u29 ... Z09b4M.mp4

Drone watches as Russian artillery blasts Ukrainian position...
https://zn21g5kls-n995.bitchute.com/SaN ... Dl8kHz.mp4

Ukrainian positions in Soledar comes under heavy fire...
https://seed128.bitchute.com/SaNUTh4l0C ... Wc9S1H.mp4

Ukie BRM-1K struck using a an F-1 grenade dropped by drone in Kherson...
https://zggg98sgwbg1gh.bitchute.com/SaN ... uUx2ck.mp4

Drone operator drops hand grenades on Ukie position near Kherson...
https://seed128.bitchute.com/SaNUTh4l0C ... B1GemL.mp4

Destroyed Ukie equipment near Soledar...
https://seed305.bitchute.com/nnwlaOOuDM ... 9UlHyS.mp4

Chechens in a truck on the way to a frontline...
https://zb10-7gsop1v78.bitchute.com/nnw ... tGLwRS.mp4

T-90 tanks exiting storage in Russia...
https://seed177.bitchute.com/nnwlaOOuDM ... 5MZZ82.mp4

DPR and Chechen forces blasting on Donetsk front...
https://zb10-7gsop1v78.bitchute.com/SaN ... JPNhae.mp4

Russian Kornet ATGM vs a Ukie Tower...
https://seed306.bitchute.com/SaNUTh4l0C ... fJaPfX.mp4


Had enough NEWS yet Repulsive dog shit? :lol:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Fri Sep 16, 2022 7:19 am

Get Real! wrote:Russian TOS-1A blast sends Ukies flying...
https://seed177.bitchute.com/SaNUTh4l0C ... bnowVh.mp4


This is one of the most dramatic videos where a huge blast throws 3 soldiers about 100 meters down the field. :shock:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:49 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Russian TOS-1A blast sends Ukies flying...
https://seed177.bitchute.com/SaNUTh4l0C ... bnowVh.mp4


This is one of the most dramatic videos where a huge blast throws 3 soldiers about 100 meters down the field. :shock:


You have huge observation skill Kiks :!:
That's the only video I watched, only because of the TOS-1A tittle and to be honest I didn't see anything other than 3 missiles hitting a place. The blast didn't look like a TOS-1A either.
I had to watch it a couple of more times to spot what you said... :o

@GR: The important thing (for me) is to watch videos of the Iranian kamikaze drones destroying HIMARS. We know they arrived.
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