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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:15 am

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:I can smell the desperation from here Get Real.

And thanks for the material. It's going to be a great source of entertainment. 8)

I posted two more batches in the last 24 hours… have fun with them too!

Meanwhile, Medvedev is quoting scripture from the book of Revelation! :lol:


So he is more deluded than we thought.

He believes in Sky Fairies. :lol:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:16 am

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Ukraine will ensure the Geneva Conventions are adhered to.

Ukraine and the West have amassed a lot of evidence of Russian War criminals though. They will not be so lucky and will face trial and imprisonment.

:roll: :lol:

https://southfront.org/us-himars-mlrs-k ... videos-18/

You’ve got a BIG stupid mouth Paphitis that runs at 100mph without thinking, without researching, and without knowing fact from fiction…


Oh really!

And the evidence please?

You know, war crimes are for the victor to decide. Since Russia will be losing and has lost all credibility, good luck with that.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:37 am

Awe! American Ukrainian Soldiers with the Ukrainian Military in Izyum.

Also, Ukrainian Soldiers thanking Australia for the Bushmaster Vehicles from downtown Izyum. 8)

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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:06 am

I always thought Russia would ultimately prevail in this war, the numbers seemed to speak for themselves, and that Paphitis was suffering from an excess of jingoism. :lol: Nevertheless, I’m beginning to think he may have been on the right track, all along.

I suppose it ultimately comes down to your definition of “win”.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:36 am

Londonrake wrote:I always thought Russia would ultimately prevail in this war, the numbers seemed to speak for themselves, and that Paphitis was suffering from an excess of jingoism. :lol: Nevertheless, I’m beginning to think he may have been on the right track, all along.

I suppose it ultimately comes down to your definition of “win”.


As I see it, no one side has won or lost the war in Ukraine yet and no one is about to anytime soon.

As of now, only battles have been won and lost by both sides.

The latest battle won by Ukraine has been way over propagandized as a victory of winning the war, when in fact, the propaganda is to lift the spirits of Ukrainians and demoralize the Russians on the battlefields, and at the same time, for Ukraine to ask for more weapons from the West, justifying their ask because of the latest battle, which no doubt requiring over propagandizing the recent battle win for Ukraine.

Paphitis just gets over excited about everything and loses control in holding back his enthusiasm. :wink:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:33 pm

Paphitis wrote:
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Kikapu wrote:Time to re-stock our nuclear bunker shelter in the basement with food and other emergencies in the event.


I prefer to chew plutonium dust before dying, rather than lock myself in a cellar. I may even get some weight, it's 4+ times heavier than iron. :cry:


It was definitely a genuine document from the MOF of Russia announcing budgetary securing of funds for monetary payments to spouses and families of fallen Russian Soldiers and estimating that more funds will be needed in the future as their casualties increase.

It was the Russian Propaganda Media that released it.


Everyone can photoshop anything he wants, and you can manufacture fantasies of all kinds. Where's your imaginary link? And where's the translation?
NB. Do you want me to provide you an "official" British Govnt document saying that the Queen was poisoned? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:50 pm

Londonrake wrote:I always thought Russia would ultimately prevail in this war, the numbers seemed to speak for themselves, and that Paphitis was suffering from an excess of jingoism. :lol: Nevertheless, I’m beginning to think he may have been on the right track, all along.

I suppose it ultimately comes down to your definition of “win”.


My position has never been a position of jingoism or wishful thinking. I actually believed Ukraine will defeat the Russian Invasion from Day 1. Even when Russian Forces were at the outskirts of Kyiv, I believed Ukraine would win. However, I could not rule out at the time the possibility that Russia could have delivered the killer blow to the UKG. But, I believed the Russians would have had to enter Kyiv, go from building to building, street to street, and meeting heavy resistence from the Ukrainian Military. It would have been the biggest bloodbath we have ever seen in our lifetimes, with thousands of Ukrainian Civilians dieing each day, and the Russian Military losing many thousands of soldiers also, in a military action that can never be sustained. But nevertheless, I was worried at the time, but still believed Russia would fail.

I now am not even worried. I know Russia will fail. Everything is now in Ukraine's favour and the Ukrainian Military leadership have handled everything like a western military would, with a bit of old Soviet Style military doctrine added in. The Ukrainians, supported by many western countries, including the US, and many others to boot, have meticulously planned everything with minute detail and precision and played the Russians to their strengths. In the early days, Ukraine wasn't well equiped with weapons, and therefore, the Ukrainians had to protect their soldiers. Make many tactical withdrawalls and save their troops as much as practiceable. Surrender territory is preferred to losing thousands of soldiers in a short space of time. Just resist, spoil and delay the Russians, but the price in lives had to be acceptable. This is Western Military Doctrine.

And by delaying and buying time, it allowed the Americans, NATO and many other countries, to begin the arduous task of arming the Ukrainians with Russian, Western and also many game changer weapons systems such as the HIMARS, ATACMS, Javelin, Bayraktar and Stinger Missiles. Russia still can not get around these game changer weapons systems. It's about the right tools, to hit at Russia's weak points. The way everything was planned and figured out was absolutely perfect.

That's when a new phase had begun. The Ukrainian Military still built up defences, to spoil and delay the Russians and still concede territory rather than send its troops into a meat grinder. It was all about weakening the Russians and waiting for the weak points to develop. And how would they develop? With the game changer weapons, in particular, HIMARS. Every Day, every night, salvos of HIMARS and maybe even ATACMS (not confirmed) would be launched against Russian Command and Control Centres, Railways, Major Supply Routes, and Logistics and Weapons Storage bases. This would happen every night, and the blows dealt to Russia were devastating and costly.

And over a period of time, Western Intelligence Services and Ukrainian Intelligence would assess the sharp decline in Russian Morale. But still too early. Then, with the utmost expertise, the Ukrainians were getting under Russia's nose, with Psychological Warfare that was conducted with text book precision. The Ukrainians signalled the Kherson Offensive would take place. And thgey would do a number of shaping operations along the front to convince the Russians to re-inforce the area which is what they did. Then, the supply lines were cut. So effectively, there are up to 25,000 Russian soldiers now trapped.

Then, the Ukrainians attack in Kharkiv Oblast which was the intention all along.

But don't be fooled. The Ukrainian Military will attack and is already conducting successful operations in Kherson. But they are doing it wisely. There is no point in conducting a full scale attack now. It is a slow and meticulous offensive to draw Russian Fire. Russian Troops have no supply lines. Therefore, it's a waiting game. And it's done this way to reduce Ukrainian Casualties. The point where the Russian Defences collapse is inevitable. In my opinion, I predict a partial Russian collapse within 48 hours as Ukrainian Forces are only about 30 km from the Dam. Russians to the north could potentially be cut off, trapped and captured. More likely though, the Russians will retreat. It's a losing battle for them.

More likely scenario though is that Russian Forces will collapse and surrender in about a weeks time, or towards the end of September.

And if it doesn't happen, it will certainly happen in October. The Ukrainian Objective in my opinion is that it has to happen before winter.

When it happens, the Ukrainians would have shut down 250 kms of the front. They have natural defences in Kherson and can redploy tens of thousands of troops.

But I also think the Ukrainians will start a third front to divert Russian Forces there as well. Mariupol.

In the north, the Ukrainians will cut off vital supply lines to the north of Donbass. And they will even free Sievierodonetsk and Lysichansk from the rear. This is what it looks like to me.

And why do I believe Ukraine will win? It's very simple. Everything favours them now. As the Tempo reduces over winter, the west will continue to supply and train Ukrainian Forces with great weapons. Cyprus is now considering sending Ukraine its entire fleet of T-80 Tanks even. The entire world is united against Russia.

But the biggest reason is that the Ukrainians are very high in morale. they all want to fight for their country as defenders, protecting their nation, people and families. There is no greater morale boost and inspiration than that. It doesn't matter even if Russia mobilizes. The bigger elephant in the room is if Ukraine mobilizes, and Ukraine's conscripts will be better motivated than Russia's and deploy much quicker and faster. And the taps of western arms are open. Ukraine has not fully mobilized.

The only soldeirs Russia has that can actually put up some kind of fight are its mercenaries from Chechnya and Wagner Group. But even still, Ukrainian Soldiers have better morale and drive even over them. Russia will deploy some criminals from its prison system. The only advantage they would have over Ukrainian Soldiers is their willingness to kill another human. All soldiers close their eyes the first time the fire that lethal shot. These Russian Criminals will not close their eyes. They will kill women, children, rape and pillage.

You can't fight and defeat the Ukrainians. It's impossible. So many superpowers have found out the hard way.

Cyprus, in 1955-1959 dared to fight the British. Just 300, maybe 500 tops, EOKA fighters would attack, terrorize, bomb and ambush the British Military and other targets.

Here is a story of the kind of enemy the British would face. My mother lived in a house in Paphos at the time. Next door was a Cypriot who was a British Police officer. 2 EOKA fighters jumped the fence into her backyard, pulled their balaklavas down to cover their face, told my mother to scram and go to her Mother. They jumped over the next fence, kicked the door open, found this police man, made him kneel and executed him at point blank. The 2 EOKA boys, then went out on the street as another mother pushing a pram with a baby was strolling along in time for the 2 EOKA boys to remove their Blaklavas and place them into the pram before disappearing before they could be arrested by the British. Just like that.

Britain couldn't fight against that, just like Russia can't in Ukraine.

So many examples as well. Russia, in Afghanistan. US in Aghanistan. US in Vietnam and so on and so on.

Now, Russia's expedition in Ukraine, is looking to be one of the biggest military disasters in history.

I JUST BELIEVE UKRAINE WILL WIN. BELIEVED IT IN FEBRUARY AND I BELIEVE IT TODAY EVEN MORE.

And what is more, is that the Ukrainian People believe this as well. See what I mean. It's a people that won't stop. Like the Taliban never stopped. At which point it will be time for Russia to withdraw. That is an inevitability. Russia will not fight this for the next 10 years. I don't believe they have another 12 months tops. But for Ukrainians, it doesn't matter how long.

Put yourselves in the boots of a Russian Soldier, knowing you are fighting a war that is unwinnable. And seeing all your mates die around you as their commanders throw them into the meat grinder. And the fact they are not even paid correctly, taking away the financial incentive. The fact that you are hungry and freezing because no suplly lines. And seeing everything get blown up from HIMARS. Well, who do you think will be in higher spirits?

Russia, is stuffed! Big time.

Sorry to all the apologists. But the laugh is on all of YOU.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:01 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Ukraine will ensure the Geneva Conventions are adhered to.



Aren't you the one who was bragging the Uks don't take POW, just like the "tough" Aussies?
Aren't you the one who cheered watching videos of Rs POW's been shot on the legs before getting tortured?
Weren't the Rs who first let the International Red Cross to visit Uks POWs (the azovs) as per Geneva Convention, whereas the Uks never did?

You are irreparable. :shock:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:08 pm

I’ve been reading a lot these past few days that one of Putin’s biggest headaches is the Russian nationalists who’s support he courted so astutely leading up to the invasion. They’ve been free to express their views in the media throughout. Now though, with the Kiev debacle and recent further setbacks, they are turning against him.

The concern is that, in the event of a Russian collapse, rather than somebody like Navalny taking over it will more likely be an extreme nationalist.

A case of better the Devil you know perhaps.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:14 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Ukraine will ensure the Geneva Conventions are adhered to.



Aren't you the one who was bragging the Uks don't take POW, just like the "tough" Aussies?
Aren't you the one who cheered watching videos of Rs POW's been shot on the legs before getting tortured?
Weren't the Rs who first let the International Red Cross to visit Uks POWs (the azovs) as per Geneva Convention, whereas the Uks never did?

You are irreparable. :shock:


Sorry but I don't condone war crimes, and I also condemn the Australian SAS for doing what it did. But a SAS unit is small and has clear orders and objectives, and POWs can result in failure. SAS don't do Mission Failure very well.

The only time I can excuse it is if the commander would put himself or his men at risk because of these POWs. And the Ukrainians may have in the past found themselves in such a position, and may find themselves in such a position in the ffuture.

But generally speaking, if you have the resources to take POWs and send them to the rear where they can be safetly processed, fed, given a smoke and a drink, and then go for somekind of enhanced interrogation for intelligence gathering, then so be it. War is an ugly beast and these Russians are in someone elses country, killing, looting and committing crimes.

Russia started this war, in someone else's land, and as a result will be on the receiving end of some very pissed off Ukrainian Soldiers.
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