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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Thu Mar 03, 2022 4:37 am

Get Real! wrote:
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Get Real! wrote:Stats according to the Russian military...

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Yes, that 498 looks a little dodgy... :)


Yes, and we all know how reliable all that is.

Ukrainians had captured over 200 Russian military days ago and even sent videos and photos of them.

I don’t doubt it, but for the Russians they are AWOL as they cannot verify if they’ve been caught, lost, dead or deserted.

It's always your opponent that will reveal how many he's captured.


Thank you. This post has been the one of the most sensible on this subject.

There is little doubt the Ukrainian military have captured some Russians. We just don't know how many. The Ukrainians claimed to have captured some 200 or so a few days ago.

What we do know is that the Ukrainians released images of captured Russians.

There is no doubt as well that Russia would be hiding the truth because Pootin would be under a lot of pressure right now on the home front. he has embarrassed himself and lost face too, which could make him dangerous. Back to the wall theory. And that could be costly to the Ukrainian people because there is little doubt that Pootin is very unhinged.

In the end, and you should appreciate this, the Ukrainian people are in a fight for their beloved country from an aggressive invader. They have the moral ground. They also have the advantage and they have really given a good account of themselves. We must be supportive of what is right.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Thu Mar 03, 2022 4:55 am

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Lordo wrote:There comes a time as a leader you realise that fighting is futile, you are beaten so you sign an agrrement to save your cities, inferstructure and civilian lives. It's not as if Russia will remain there, they will put a puppet in his place and life will go on as normal.

This is how America works and so does Russia. Somebody explain to this comedian how politics works. He seems like he is clueless.

He got a lot of ground to air missiles and Russia decided not you use the planes and instead used missiles to do what thwy wanted to do.

A bit rich BoZo claiming there is war crimes here. America carpet bombed Afghanistan, they also killed over a million people in Iraq but there is no mention of war crimes there.

It's all bullshit.


Like you said the other day, not even one American soldier was ever brought on trial to ICC. Mama America does not even recognize the International Court of Justice. Of course if the accused American happens to live in another country that country may take him to ICC. It never happened because Mama Rosa USA threatens everybody with sanctions, including threats against the ICC judges themselves!
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No that isn't how America works.

America is completely different to Russia. For one, it's a democracy. No US President can rule for more than 8 years or 2 terms. They can't change the rules and declare themselves President for like. And furthermore, they are actually accountable to the US Judicial System which actually has much sharper teeth than the ICC.

I'll give ytou one example of transparency. American soldiers witnessed an Australian War crime committed by Australian Troops where Taliban were actually executed. The US Military and Pentagon, reported these actions through their diplomatic channels in the Australian Ministry of Defence which at one point allegedly tried to cover up. Then, the information was leaked to the media.

Australia will not go to the ICC neither. That won't happen because ICC interference is just unacceptable to Australia as well. In fact, UN interference is unacceptable to us.

But, it is handling the matter itself, and the soldiers involved are facing the full brunt of the law.

So no, America is nothing like Russia. Not even close.

America is literally off the charts when it comes to freedom and protecting the rights of its citizenry through the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. When Americans were smoking the peace pipe in the 60s, we were all still literally swinging from tree to tree. And even to this day, anything goes in America as long as you don't brake laws or hurt others. It's a pluralistic society with 100 nationalities and everyone has equal opportunity to have a go. There is a lot that America stands up for and there is a lot that actually makes America a great country too.

Russia isn't even close.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Thu Mar 03, 2022 4:57 am

Paphitis wrote:What we do know is that the Ukrainians released images of captured Russians.

That’s actually illegal… nations at war are not supposed to publish images or video of prisoners and especially asking them stupid questions like “Why did you come here?” like the Ukrainians are doing a lot from what I’ve seen.


Paphitis wrote:In the end, and you should appreciate this, the Ukrainian people are in a fight for their beloved country from an aggressive invader. They have the moral ground. They also have the advantage and they have really given a good account of themselves. We must be supportive of what is right.

The Ukrainian government is fully responsible for attempting to import Russia's sworn enemy onto soviet soil.

So it's basically a violation of "turfs" and for Russia this action by the Ukraine is committing the unpardonable sin.

The Ukraine continued to brush aside Russia's concern, so they had no choice but to go in and teach them some turf manners.

I perfectly understand it.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:08 am

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:What we do know is that the Ukrainians released images of captured Russians.

That’s actually illegal… nations at war are not supposed to publish images or video of prisoners and especially asking them stupid questions like “Why did you come here?” like the Ukrainians are doing a lot from what I’ve seen.


Paphitis wrote:In the end, and you should appreciate this, the Ukrainian people are in a fight for their beloved country from an aggressive invader. They have the moral ground. They also have the advantage and they have really given a good account of themselves. We must be supportive of what is right.

The Ukrainian government is fully responsible for attempting to import Russia's sworn enemy onto soviet soil.

So it's basically a violation of "turfs" and for Russia this action by the Ukraine is committing the unpardonable sin.

The Ukraine continued to brush aside Russia's concern, so they had no choice but to go in and teach them some turf manners.

I perfectly understand it.


It probably is but why would Ukraine actually care?

Their focus is to motivate their population and give them a reason to stand.

Zalensky has ben extremely potent as a leader so far and has been leading from the front and galvanized the population. Ukraine has to look for every advantage it can get.

These Russian concerns are all manufactured. NATO at its core is to defend, not attack Russia.

And Moldova was to be the next target but judging by what has happened so far, Moldova could relax a little because somehow I don't think the Russian military is going to make it out of Ukraine.

And no, Russia has no right to dictate anything. You are literally telling me now that they do, so if we were to use that logic, Turkey could have invaded the rest of Cyprus when the RoC was trying to enter the EU because it's actually the same thing.

It's very flawed thinking.

And by the same token, America has the right to invade Cuba and Venezuela. Do you believe that this is the case?

Theoretically, if the USA invaded Cuba and Venezuela, you would support that action. You have no choice but to support this action.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:15 am

I don’t share your views of Zalensky at all, so let’s agree to disagree on that one.

As for NATO expansion not being a concern for Russia it’s not worth debating even… it’s a given. Only Russia can answer that.

So… when there are serious disagreements like the above it’s time for war and that’s exactly what we’re seeing right now, so may the best man win.

End of story.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:24 am

Get Real! wrote:I don’t share your views of Zalensky at all, so let’s agree to disagree on that one.

As for NATO expansion not being a concern for Russia it’s not worth debating even… it’s a given. Only Russia can answer that.

So… when there are serious disagreements like the above it’s time for war and that’s exactly what we’re seeing right now, so may the best man win.

End of story.


I know you don't share them because you are blinkered or blinded by your support of Russia - an invader of a sovereign country. This is a very precarious stance, that doesn't hold water.

As a result, you have also backed yourself in a corner. If the US invaded Cuba tomorrow, I take it you would support the US because Cuba has blatantly disregarded American concerns.

However, even blind Freddy can see that Zalensky has actually not just inspired his countryman, but also the world. This guy is a blueprint of exactly what a leader should be. Someone who stands with the people. He could have saved his owned skin, but this guy isn't about saving his own skin. He wants to walk the walk.

At the moment, this guy is a literal hero.

The only thing Russia has to answer to is literal war crimes against humanity. And because Pootin is a literal war criminal, there is little wonder to me why every single country of the former USSR wants to now join NATO.

Pootin is the best sales pitch for NATO.

And now judging by how Cyprus has fallen out of favour from Pootin, I think the RoC should also join NATO ASAP because you might find yourselves on Russia's hit list as well.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:31 am

You cannot convince me otherwise Paphitis because we are two different people from two different backgrounds.

From my perspective, Putin is the greatest politician to have ever lived, while Zel is an incompetent fool who led his country and people to the slaughter with mathematical accuracy.

The two men are at the two ends of the spectrum.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:36 am

Get Real! wrote:You cannot convince me otherwise Paphitis because we are two different people from two different backgrounds.

From my perspective, Putin is the greatest politician to have ever lived, while Zel is an incompetent fool who led his country and people to the slaughter with mathematical accuracy.

The two men are at the two ends of the spectrum.


I know I can't convince you as unreasonable your view actually is.

You are still my friend. I'm still happy to call you my friend.

People can disagree with each other all the time.

Unfortunately for you though, the history books will not favour Pootin.

The world doesn't favour Pootin, including the RoC Government. Cyprus has taken the only position it can take, with the rest of the vast majority of the world other than a few dead beats like North Korea, China, Belarus, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran etc

The Pootin camp isn't exactly inhabited by the shining lights.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:47 am

The solid friendships we have all established over the years on the CF are a GIVEN… regardless of the occasional fallout.

As for the Russian empire, it's the very special fundamental counterbalance the world needs, and the one into which I feel I belong because I share core values with them, such as...

* God fearing
* Christian
* Family oriented
* Heterosexual
* Nationalist
* Dignified

Core values, most of which I cannot find in the West... it's as simple as that.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:23 am

Get Real! wrote:The solid friendships we have all established over the years on the CF are a GIVEN… regardless of the occasional fallout.

As for the Russian empire, it's the very special fundamental counterbalance the world needs, and the one into which I feel I belong because I share core values with them, such as...

* God fearing
* Christian
* Family oriented
* Heterosexual
* Nationalist
* Dignified

Core values, most of which I cannot find in the West... it's as simple as that.


Well Get Real, it seems you have a lot in common with the American people.

They are more so God Fearing, Christian, quite conservative and family orientated, extremely proud and nationalistic, and dignified.

The only exception is homophobia. Whilst it exists everywhere, America included, society in America is still very tolerant and accepting of homosexual people which is of course quite a responsible and reasonable approach since homosexuals are human, and are also by enlarge very nice people, and are probably homosexual because that is their genetic disposition, and also because what anyone does in their bedroom is really none of our concern.

That is why America is so good. The civil liberties movement occurred hear decades ago. Russia is in the Dark age of repression and backwardness still to this day.

Where would I prefer to raise a family? 1000 times more in America than in a shit hole line Russia.
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