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[Lordo]

Any war action against Ukraine by Russia, will be a negative action for Turkey and a positive action for Greece/Cyprus. Turkey’s balancing act on the high wire between Russia and the west is going to be a very difficult one. For Turkey, both sides of the stick is going to be shitty, especially in Syria and Libya, not to mention her economy whichever horse she backs here. This may decide once and for all whether Turkey belongs in the west or not.

It could work out oposite. Erdogan may get some favours from both sides being the go-between messenger boy. Assuming they are going to give gratiuties for any favours.

I don’t think West-Ukraine-Russia needs Turkey as a “middleman” since everyone is talking to each other face to face as well as behind their backs. Erdogan likes to feel he is important and that he can prevent what may happen.Turkey is not a peacemaker and never has been. She is an opportunist without shame. I mean, how can Turkey make any arguments to any country not to invade another when she is doing it herself.

I was not thinking of Turkey as a peace maker but more grab from boths sides what ever you can while pitting one against the other. Well Makarios tried that in early 60s and results do not look good.

[Get Real!]

Nonsense!! The first draft was submitted by Nikita Khrushchev of USSR In Sept 1960, and the final (and approved draft) by Cambodia on behalf of 26 Asian and African countries in Nov 1960.

Nah... that's the shoe incident at a GA meeting when some other guy infuriated Khrushchev.

Notice it was not a Security Council resolution but a General assembly vote having no legal implications, otherwise it would be vetoed. Nobody could vote against it as the UN was about human rights and this resolution was for the collective human right of "a people" to self determination.
Not surprising all colonial powers abstained while Britain convinced it's puppet Australia to abstain as well.

And it wasn't just the talk of the day. There were uprisings in most colonies, and not all were as peaceful as you may think (e.g in Malaya, Kenya, Rhodesia etc) even in colonies who got " figurative independence" much earlier as e.g Egypt-Look at the Suez crisis. Most of those who got independence actually joined the non aligned movement, including Egypt.
I guess Nasser was also stupid by Paphitis standards.

Look Pyro it’s very simple… Cyprus did NOT win independence from Britain like they foolishly brag and celebrate every 1st of April (I’ve always felt that it’s by no coincidence that it’s April Fool’s day ) but rather it was GRANTED in accordance with International law.

[Kikapu]

Any war action against Ukraine by Russia, will be a negative action for Turkey and a positive action for Greece/Cyprus. Turkey’s balancing act on the high wire between Russia and the west is going to be a very difficult one. For Turkey, both sides of the stick is going to be shitty, especially in Syria and Libya, not to mention her economy whichever horse she backs here. This may decide once and for all whether Turkey belongs in the west or not.

It could work out oposite. Erdogan may get some favours from both sides being the go-between messenger boy. Assuming they are going to give gratiuties for any favours.

I don’t think West-Ukraine-Russia needs Turkey as a “middleman” since everyone is talking to each other face to face as well as behind their backs. Erdogan likes to feel he is important and that he can prevent what may happen.Turkey is not a peacemaker and never has been. She is an opportunist without shame. I mean, how can Turkey make any arguments to any country not to invade another when she is doing it herself.

I was not thinking of Turkey as a peace maker but more grab from boths sides what ever you can while pitting one against the other. Well Makarios tried that in early 60s and results do not look good.

Yes, I got that!

[Pyrpolizer]

Nonsense!! The first draft was submitted by Nikita Khrushchev of USSR In Sept 1960, and the final (and approved draft) by Cambodia on behalf of 26 Asian and African countries in Nov 1960.

Nah... that's the shoe incident at a GA meeting when some other guy infuriated Khrushchev.

Notice it was not a Security Council resolution but a General assembly vote having no legal implications, otherwise it would be vetoed. Nobody could vote against it as the UN was about human rights and this resolution was for the collective human right of "a people" to self determination.
Not surprising all colonial powers abstained while Britain convinced it's puppet Australia to abstain as well.

And it wasn't just the talk of the day. There were uprisings in most colonies, and not all were as peaceful as you may think (e.g in Malaya, Kenya, Rhodesia etc) even in colonies who got " figurative independence" much earlier as e.g Egypt-Look at the Suez crisis. Most of those who got independence actually joined the non aligned movement, including Egypt.
I guess Nasser was also stupid by Paphitis standards.

Look Pyro it’s very simple… Cyprus did NOT win independence from Britain like they foolishly brag and celebrate every 1st of April (I’ve always felt that it’s by no coincidence that it’s April Fool’s day ) but rather it was GRANTED in accordance with International law.

Read and learn:

United Nations Audiovisual Library of International Law
DECLARATION ON THE GRANTING OF INDEPENDENCE TO COLONIAL COUNTRIES AND PEOPLES
The question of a declaration on the granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples was initially proposed for inclusion in the agenda of the General Assembly by Nikita S. Khrushchev, the Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR), during his address to the Assembly on 23 September 1960. This proposal was formalized in a letter to the President of the General Assembly of the same day (A/4501, 23 September 1960), which was submitted together with a draft Declaration on the granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples (A/4502, 23 September 1960). On 28 September 1960, the General Committee recommended that the item proposed by the USSR be included in the General Assembly’s agenda at its fifteenth session of the same year and that it be allocated to the First (Political and Security) Committee. On 10 October, the General Assembly decided to place the item on its agenda and, on 13 October, a proposal by the USSR to discuss the item in plenary meetings was unanimously adopted.


As for your opinion that the the British "granted" us independence according to international law it's clear to me you don't even understand what international law is, the ground on which GA's assembly resolution was based upon, and the multiple ways the British could abide, in case they would ever decide. As I said before they could abide by defining 2 "a people" and partition the island, like they did elsewhere.

[Get Real!]

Pyro, always post your links and quit playing games!

Also, I did not say the British granted Cyprus independence but international law.

[Get Real!]

By coincidence someone painted Pyro’s hero a nice gay color…

https://riknews.com.cy/article/2022/1/2 ... te-lemeso/

[Pyrpolizer]

Pyro, always post your links and quit playing games!

Also, I did not say the British granted Cyprus independence but international law.

Sorry I always give links when I can. However this is a pdf document for which I have no link.
You may download it from my cloud though:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/15XNvLM ... sp=sharing

You did say the British GRANTED Cyprus independence, you even stressed it in capital letters.
You said they did that abiding to international law... Not at all, general assembly resolutions do not stand as international law. It's just the will of the majority of UN members.
More information here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_resolution

The UN's website describes General Assembly resolutions as the expression of member states' views, and as not legally binding upon member states.[2]

Articles 10 and 14 of the UN Charter refer to General Assembly resolutions as "recommendations"; the recommendatory nature of General Assembly resolutions has repeatedly been stressed by the International Court of Justice

[Get Real!]

No I didn't, you're full of shit!

[color=#0000FF]The UN's website describes General Assembly resolutions as the expression of member states' views, and as not legally binding upon member states.[2]

If anything, you are the one trying to convince us that the British did so out of their compassion or something!

[Pyrpolizer]

By coincidence someone painted Pyro’s hero a nice gay color…

https://riknews.com.cy/article/2022/1/2 ... te-lemeso/

My hero ???
B25 labeled me a communist !!
Since you guys know everything, you must know this too.

[Pyrpolizer]

No I didn't, you're full of shit!

Sure, sure. It wasn't you, it was "Get UnReal" -->

Cyprus did NOT win independence from Britain ....but rather it was GRANTED in accordance with International law.