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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Fri Jul 22, 2022 3:59 pm

When you think about it, there has been progress in the world. If you objected to activities of Americans in the 50s, you would be declared as Un-American and be driven from work and unable to get any other work except the most menial of jobs.

How refreshing that we can expose the activities of the cunts with fear.

Finally what the west has realised that you can treat most countries in the world like shit but there are countries like China and Russia where if you try to do that there will be more shit on you then your opponent.

So much for trying to destroy Russian economy and suffocate it from the European trade, as if there is no other trade elsewhere possible. If America had balls they would do the same thing they did to Cuba. They refused to trade with any country that traded with Cuba. Let see the cunts block trading with anybody who trades with Russia.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Get Real! » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:03 pm

You had a huge clean slate (Ukrainian territory) on which you placed ONE MILLION defenders and seemingly never-ending conscripts!

You trained them for years, you armed them to the teeth countless times, you advise and direct them in battle with your “intel”, and what is the end result when a miniscule Russian army invades?

Embarrassing defeat after defeat!

I think it’s time you threw in the towel!

I can’t bear to watch you anymore... I cringe at all the news I read and videos I watch!
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:12 pm

Get Real! wrote:You had a huge clean slate (Ukrainian territory) on which you placed ONE MILLION defenders and seemingly never-ending conscripts!

You trained them for years, you armed them to the teeth countless times, you advise and direct them in battle with your “intel”, and what is the end result when a miniscule Russian army invades?

Embarrassing defeat after defeat!

I think it’s time you threw in the towel!

I can’t bear to watch you anymore... I cringe at all the news I read and videos I watch!


No NATO did nothing like that. They did not supply them with arms, train their soldiers or put a million defenders on their soil. NATO however, DID reject their bids to join NATO on more than 1 occasion.

It is only now, Ukrainian Troops are being trained to NATO standards, which is of a much higher standard than the Russian Military. All our western troops, including Australia's soldiers are trained to NATO standards.

And it's only now, the Ukrainians are receiving some Western weapons. The west could supply them with variants that are much more capable and potent but at this point their continues to be obstacles because the west don't want their weapons to be used to attack Russia on their dejure territory.

But even the weapons that are being supplied, like HIMARS, have proven to have outsmarted the most sophicated Russian Air defence. In fact, the Russians are quite literally shitting their pants and are asking Iran for help because they have no answer to the US made HIMARS that the Ukrainians are deploying in increasing numbers and causing explosions in occupied Ukraine emulating a Nucledar Bomb mushroom cloud when they hit Russian Ammunition and Logistics locations with pinpoint accuracy.

Have you not seen the videos get Real? I bet you have! They are on telegram. You just ignore them because they don't fit your narrative.

How does it feel to realise that the S400 is now a nothing burgher? And if it is true that Ukraine will receive Vipers and Hornets, then you can kiss the S400 good bye Get Real.

But what's funnier is the fact Russia has embarrassed itself. Given the display in Ukraine, NATO has nothing to fear from Russia in any conventional war. Russia isn't even capable enough to account for Turkey let alone the entire 30 strong NATO membership, even if you take the US out.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Lordo » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:17 pm

Get Real! wrote:You had a huge clean slate (Ukrainian territory) on which you placed ONE MILLION defenders and seemingly never-ending conscripts!

You trained them for years, you armed them to the teeth countless times, you advise and direct them in battle with your “intel”, and what is the end result when a miniscule Russian army invades?

Embarrassing defeat after defeat!

I think it’s time you threw in the towel!

I can’t bear to watch you anymore... I cringe at all the news I read and videos I watch!

The Russians must be looking for a hole to hide in. We are about to elect Liz Truss as PM and she is prepared to take on Russia and China especially if China takes Taiwan. I do wonder though how she will split her 80,000 army. Will it be 40,000 each?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:28 pm

Lordo wrote:
Get Real! wrote:You had a huge clean slate (Ukrainian territory) on which you placed ONE MILLION defenders and seemingly never-ending conscripts!

You trained them for years, you armed them to the teeth countless times, you advise and direct them in battle with your “intel”, and what is the end result when a miniscule Russian army invades?

Embarrassing defeat after defeat!

I think it’s time you threw in the towel!

I can’t bear to watch you anymore... I cringe at all the news I read and videos I watch!

The Russians must be looking for a hole to hide in. We are about to elect Liz Truss as PM and she is prepared to take on Russia and China especially if China takes Taiwan. I do wonder though how she will split her 80,000 army. Will it be 40,000 each?


They can send the HMS Queen Elizabeth with a few escorts!

What does Russia have to answer that with? Don't tell me the Kuznetsov. I bet Truss will be shaking in her stilettos.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Kikapu » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:35 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
I don't support this vote. I support the Admin appointing a third neutral party as mod, or I hereby nominate the following individuals:

!) Londonrake
2) Maximus
3) DT
4) RichardB
5) Kikapu - however, I have concerns on his political views as well. Hence I'm on the fence.

(yes I have expanded my nominations list to 4.5. Kiks being the 0.5.


:D :D :D

I have been reduced to being “half a man” in this nomination process! :lol:

Perhaps I was a Greek Kentauros in my previous life? :wink: :lol:

I don’t understand why political views of anyone has to do in the nomination process?

I am reduced to being half a man because I think Trump is a cunt? :D

Anyway, back to the topic.

I believe the top two vote getters should become moderators for CF.

That would make it GR and Paphitis at this point in time. :mrgreen:

We should also have a system where a moderator can be voted “out of office” should they abuse the “powers” given to them by CF members. :wink:


Your political views, especially those pertaining to Trump have no bearing on my decision process. You are free to believe Trump is a cunt, as you have been brainwashed to believe Obama was some kind of God. He came in with high hopes for the people and with high expectations, and yet was one of the most corrupt Presidents in History since the arrival of Biden who has even surpassed Obama. Both have led us to war and global calamity, and destabilisation, have compromised the working class and delivered higher costs of living. No decisions were ever made to benefit the American People. They are both corrupt and govern for the top 1%


Just to let you know, that I have a great memory and remember very well that you were very happy when Obama was elected president. Your only gripe with him was that he did not deliver very much in his second term as his first term. As for Biden, he came to power thanks to your idol Trump. Don’t hold your breath waiting for Trump’s return.


I am more worried about the Ukraine Issue. And you appearing to be in agreeance as it seems with the pathetically insane inputs of the pro Ukraine invasion officionados. I do expect better of someone who has lived in the US and who now lives in Switzerland.


I have never supported the invasion of Ukraine by Russia. What I believe is, the invasion could have been avoided had Zelensky chose to ratify the Minsk agreements which Ukraine signed in 2014, therefore, the Russian invasion is the fault of Zelensky and the West in allowing such calamity to come to fruition. Stating facts does not mean one supports the invasion. Every leader has a decision to make for their people and country and they have to assume responsibility for their decisions, good or bad. Zelensky’s and the West’s miscalculations on not taking Russia seriously before the invasion falls into the category of “fucked up”, and just as any other country, Russia made the decision based on their National Security concerns to invade Ukraine since not only Ukraine was not going to ratify the Minsk agreements, but was further seeking to join NATO and beefing up it’s military defenses amounting to adding fuel to the fire as far as Russia was concerned. America many times have used National Security concern in invading other countries, overtly or covertly. I make no justifications in Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, just accepting the facts why it did.


Now, I actually nominated you
.

Thanks, but no thanks. I don’t have the time or the inclination to read through everything that is written on CF, therefore I would not accept to be nominated, but thanks all the same.

My biggest concerns are also based on censorship and freedom of speech and expression. I firmly believe Get Real is the worse choice. I mean no offense, but if certain individuals like Get Real, and a few others become moderator of this place, then that is the end of this forum as we know it.


CF is one of the most free Forums on the net on the Freedom of Speech I have ever come across and I cannot see anyone suppressing that here. Fuck, GR is one of the biggest benefactors on Freedom of Speech here.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Londonrake » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:35 pm

Paphitis wrote:They can send the HMS Queen Elizabeth with a few escorts!

What does Russia have to answer that with? Don't tell me the Kuznetsov. I bet Truss will be shaking in her stilettos.


I flew MPA surveillance on Kuznetsov when it came out of the Black Sea and transited to Northern Fleet 30 years ago. Even then you could see the black smoke it belched for miles and they had a support tug in company to cope with engine problems. :lol:

Didn’t it burn in port? :?
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:38 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Paphitis wrote:They can send the HMS Queen Elizabeth with a few escorts!

What does Russia have to answer that with? Don't tell me the Kuznetsov. I bet Truss will be shaking in her stilettos.


I flew MPA surveillance on Kuznetsov when it came out of the Black Sea and transited to Northern Fleet 30 years ago. Even then you could see the black smoke it belched for miles and they had a support tug in company to cope with engine problems. :lol:

Didn’t it burn in port? :?


How far away were you before you can use the smoke plumes to zero in on?

Yes I think the Kuznetzov is history and no more. That frees up about 6 tug boats to join the Black Sea fleet. :lol:
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:48 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
I don't support this vote. I support the Admin appointing a third neutral party as mod, or I hereby nominate the following individuals:

!) Londonrake
2) Maximus
3) DT
4) RichardB
5) Kikapu - however, I have concerns on his political views as well. Hence I'm on the fence.

(yes I have expanded my nominations list to 4.5. Kiks being the 0.5.


:D :D :D

I have been reduced to being “half a man” in this nomination process! :lol:

Perhaps I was a Greek Kentauros in my previous life? :wink: :lol:

I don’t understand why political views of anyone has to do in the nomination process?

I am reduced to being half a man because I think Trump is a cunt? :D

Anyway, back to the topic.

I believe the top two vote getters should become moderators for CF.

That would make it GR and Paphitis at this point in time. :mrgreen:

We should also have a system where a moderator can be voted “out of office” should they abuse the “powers” given to them by CF members. :wink:


Your political views, especially those pertaining to Trump have no bearing on my decision process. You are free to believe Trump is a cunt, as you have been brainwashed to believe Obama was some kind of God. He came in with high hopes for the people and with high expectations, and yet was one of the most corrupt Presidents in History since the arrival of Biden who has even surpassed Obama. Both have led us to war and global calamity, and destabilisation, have compromised the working class and delivered higher costs of living. No decisions were ever made to benefit the American People. They are both corrupt and govern for the top 1%


Just to let you know, that I have a great memory and remember very well that you were very happy when Obama was elected president. Your only gripe with him was that he did not deliver very much in his second term as his first term. As for Biden, he came to power thanks to your idol Trump. Don’t hold your breath waiting for Trump’s return.


I am more worried about the Ukraine Issue. And you appearing to be in agreeance as it seems with the pathetically insane inputs of the pro Ukraine invasion officionados. I do expect better of someone who has lived in the US and who now lives in Switzerland.


I have never supported the invasion of Ukraine by Russia. What I believe is, the invasion could have been avoided had Zelensky chose to ratify the Minsk agreements which Ukraine signed in 2014, therefore, the Russian invasion is the fault of Zelensky and the West in allowing such calamity to come to fruition. Stating facts does not mean one supports the invasion. Every leader has a decision to make for their people and country and they have to assume responsibility for their decisions, good or bad. Zelensky’s and the West’s miscalculations on not taking Russia seriously before the invasion falls into the category of “fucked up”, and just as any other country, Russia made the decision based on their National Security concerns to invade Ukraine since not only Ukraine was not going to ratify the Minsk agreements, but was further seeking to join NATO and beefing up it’s military defenses amounting to adding fuel to the fire as far as Russia was concerned. America many times have used National Security concern in invading other countries, overtly or covertly. I make no justifications in Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, just accepting the facts why it did.


Now, I actually nominated you
.

Thanks, but no thanks. I don’t have the time or the inclination to read through everything that is written on CF, therefore I would not accept to be nominated, but thanks all the same.

My biggest concerns are also based on censorship and freedom of speech and expression. I firmly believe Get Real is the worse choice. I mean no offense, but if certain individuals like Get Real, and a few others become moderator of this place, then that is the end of this forum as we know it.


CF is one of the most free Forums on the net on the Freedom of Speech I have ever come across and I cannot see anyone suppressing that here. Fuck, GR is one of the biggest benefactors on Freedom of Speech here.


Yes I was very happy when Obama got elected and I like many millions of Americans probably would have voted for him if I had the right to vote as a US Citizen. Obama came in and there was certainly great optimism, and hope for America.

But that hope turned into utter despair very quickly over the 8 years when we all realised Obama was one of the most corrupt Presidents to ever enter the WH. Why? Well he governed for Corporate America, like many before him. But at least those before him threw a bone, to the poor and working class. Obama never even did that.

Not only this, but his foreign policy bought war to Middle East, and nearly bought war to the Korean Peninsula. He, over the 8 years also dropped the ball in Afghanistan, allowing Khazi to continue the corruption, when the US had a responsibility to build the Afghan Military up and bitch slap Khazi to ensure all those serving were paid their salaries.

That is the exprectation of a global leader in charge of the USA.

Obama, paved the way for Trump. The American people were at their wits end. Unemployment was high, and inflation was eroding the hopes and dreams of the American working and middle classes. So they voted for Trump. And everyone was happy that the Oligarchs that Obama served, were crying and screaming blue murder. Only to then succumb and then vote for Biden. Only thing is, Biden is even more worse and is paving the way for Trump once again, if not someone else like Tucker Carlson. And the crocodile tears will once again be epic.

You make your own bed Kikapu. You just don't see it but I certainly do.

I don't take my free speech for granted. It seems you do. I will be the most persecuted forumer along with maybe 1 or 2 others because I have the audacity to support Ukraine and Trump.
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Re: Ukrainian Issue

Postby Paphitis » Fri Jul 22, 2022 5:00 pm

Lordo wrote:
Get Real! wrote:You had a huge clean slate (Ukrainian territory) on which you placed ONE MILLION defenders and seemingly never-ending conscripts!

You trained them for years, you armed them to the teeth countless times, you advise and direct them in battle with your “intel”, and what is the end result when a miniscule Russian army invades?

Embarrassing defeat after defeat!

I think it’s time you threw in the towel!

I can’t bear to watch you anymore... I cringe at all the news I read and videos I watch!

The Russians must be looking for a hole to hide in. We are about to elect Liz Truss as PM and she is prepared to take on Russia and China especially if China takes Taiwan. I do wonder though how she will split her 80,000 army. Will it be 40,000 each?


Liz Truss needs to be flown to DC immediately because she IS exactly the typre of person who should be POTUS. If only this was possible.

America needs to get rid of Biden and Camela ASAP because not only are they an embarrassment to the American People, but they are a disaster to global peace and security and I personally hold them responsible for Ukraine.

SAfter this current term, the Democrats are dust. The GOP can put forward any candidate of their choosing, including Trump, and they will win with a landslide. Why? Because the American people are at their witts end once again.

But what America needs is a Ronald Reagan figure. Someone strong, and a leader with balls. Since the GOP has many lacking in that department, then the only choices could well be Trump and/or Tucker.
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